Survivors of Unethical Therapy

stopdog · Jan 16, 2020, 07:19 PM

There is an exception to every rule.

here today · Jan 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HD7970GHZ

I agree with you. There are a ton of really horrible therapists out there and they are getting worse.

The system is simply incapable of treating survivors of abuse in therapy.

Period.

I agree.

What can we here do to help? Seems to me we are on our own -- but not alone, as you have pointed out before.

And specifically, what can we here to help you. Sounds like maybe you are struggling some?

Feel free to PM me, if you would like.

HD7970GHZ · Jan 17, 2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtleyWilkins

I am a survivor of abuse and therapy very effectively treated and helped me, so that absolute is not quite accurate.

Hi ArtleyWilkins,

Yes, as Atisketatasket said - I meant that currently, the mental health profession does not have a specific modality that cators to survivors of abuse in therapy, therefore, people who have been abused in therapy should expect difficulty finding effective and ethical treatment.

That is an issue for MANY reasons, not just ethical ones.

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

Jan 17, 2020, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HD7970GHZ

Hi ArtleyWilkins,

Yes, as Atisketatasket said - I meant that currently, the mental health profession does not have a specific modality that cators to survivors of abuse in therapy, therefore, people who have been abused in therapy should expect difficulty finding effective and ethical treatment.

That is an issue for MANY reasons, not just ethical ones.

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

Do other kinds of abuse have specific modalities dedicated to them? Abuse and trauma are attended to by many different modalities, clients choose the one which they prefer. It's not clear to me why therapeutic abuse would have its own modality. Of course, it has its own painful peculiarities, but then so do all forms of abuse.

BudFox · Jan 18, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HD7970GHZ

Yes, as Atisketatasket said - I meant that currently, the mental health profession does not have a specific modality that cators to survivors of abuse in therapy, therefore, people who have been abused in therapy should expect difficulty finding effective and ethical treatment.

I'd go further. From what i've seen, the system tends to victimize and gaslight and blame people abused/harmed/mistreated in therapy.

And there is an inherent conflict of interest in this scenario. The therapist has a vested interest in defending therapy foundations, while the client is best served by a full and open examination of the entire process and all underpinnings and assumptions. Good luck with that.

HD7970GHZ · Jan 20, 2020, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by comrademoomoo

Do other kinds of abuse have specific modalities dedicated to them? Abuse and trauma are attended to by many different modalities, clients choose the one which they prefer. It's not clear to me why therapeutic abuse would have its own modality. Of course, it has its own painful peculiarities, but then so do all forms of abuse.

Hi Comrademoomoo,

You make an excellent point!

While PTSD is typically a standardized treatment, it does include varying modalities.

Internal Family Systems (Parts Therapy)
EMDR
DBT
Regression therapy
CBT

These are known to be effective therapy modalities for trauma. While each could be used to help heal trauma, some are known to be more effective than others. For instance, I have heard that EMDR can be very effective for single trauma PTSD, whereas it has been said that those with multi-traumas (or Complex PTSD) can be more easily retraumatized.

Budfox alluded to some of the complexities surrounding retrauma in therapy, when survivors of abuse in therapy seek out help in subsequent therapy. I agree with 100% with Budfox, which also brings us to the problem.

Why should there be a specific therapy modality tailored to survivors of therapy abuse?

Because the survivor is entering into a traumatic environment from the get go, whereas most clients walk into therapy and believe it is safe. This changes the entire dynamic. Complex problems include things like self-fulfilling prophecies and repetition compulsions, negative countertransference, toxic workplace cultures (fear and intimidation) that carry out Institutional Betrayal smear campaigns in order to suppress and intimidate survivors into silence. Also add in that simply being that vulnerable increases the likelihood of revictimization and or retraumatization. For example: I believe I read a peer reviewed research paper somewhere that states 23% of incest survivors will experience sexual exploitation in therapy; and an additional 23% will be exploited in different ways. So 46% of incest survivors will experience some kind of exploitation in seeking help in therapy.... Care to know why? Because they are vulnerable, and therapists have a position of power with absolutely zero accountability. The reasons for doing this can vary, although, it is primarily legal. Careful supervision, ethical practise, genuine safety and privacy is a MUST for treating survivors of therapy abuse. These are things that the system struggles to maintain. I believe researching abuse in psychotherapy, would force the mental health profession to acknowledge the cultural and systemic corruption, which might shine a spotlight on how the system fails. Well - a trauma survivor cannot heal from abuse in therapy unless the trauma survivor feels safe, and can trust the therapist.

I would recommend an article about this topic on therapyabuse.org. It explores the many problems that survivors face when seeking help in therapy for therapy abuse. It is very complex and highly dependent on individual cases and where and from whom the survivor seeks help. Check out that website it is filled with valuable insights.

This system is simply broken. Think any Government wants to admit to hiring sexual predators? Nope. And they rarely ever do admit, unless there is irrefutable evidence. Pretty hard to do that when one is so vulnerable and the person treating them is literally trained to help OR harm the cĺient, and the only thing standing in the way of helping or harming is mere choice. If they decide to abuse - the majority of the system responds by covering up the abuse, blaming and shaming the victim, and protecting the perpetrator which inadvertently creates a culture that normalizes corruption and abuse.

Healthcare providers have the ability to abuse with absolute impunity.

And they do.

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

HD7970GHZ · 02:50 PM

Read this excerpt from an interesting article written by Chaya Grossberg, found here:

Child Abuse, Mental Health and Mental Illness - Mad In America

Read some of the comments at the bottom of the page! They are absolutely incredible. Riddled with fellow survivor insight and research, etc. It is quite amazing.

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.................."Psychiatrists have a long way to go in atoning for these malpractices. Numbing the brain of a person who was chronically hit and yelled at as a child is a great way to create the kind of society we are living in now, one where more and more people are able to pretend to be “okay” but very few feel even close to good.

As long as we are protecting abuse practices and keeping old stories of family unity and the mentally ill outcast who has a chemical imbalance for some unknown reason, well, we’ve kept the shelf on its hinges.

This is a great way to keep the chains of abuse locked: don’t talk about the abuse, call it a mental illness, take drugs, protect the abusers.

This sends the message that abusers are protected by society and the victims of abuse are subject to further abuse by psychiatry, so the most important thing is to have the upper hand.

Of course most abusers have been hit themselves. The cycle goes on, until a true psychiatry (literally: medicine of the soul/psyche) emerges, puts down its tools of silencing and advocates for us all to speak out about who hit us, when, where and how often. And what were they saying or shouting when they did so?

And are they the same people invested in creating a diagnostic distraction to point the spotlight away from their crime?

The truth will set us free.

Abusers retain guilt for their blows and either feel it or, more likely, check out themselves. Facilitating dialogue and amends-making processes would bring consciousness to these dynamics. It would be liberating for all parties.

It would be a true psychiatry."

Well said Chaya. Well said!

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

HD7970GHZ · Feb 05, 2020, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BudFox

I'd go further. From what i've seen, the system tends to victimize and gaslight and blame people abused/harmed/mistreated in therapy.

And there is an inherent conflict of interest in this scenario. The therapist has a vested interest in defending therapy foundations, while the client is best served by a full and open examination of the entire process and all underpinnings and assumptions. Good luck with that.

BudFox,

I just had to quote this - because it is so well said!

Reword it a bit, and I think this could become the skeleton and preface for a pamphlet...

What do you think?

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

HD7970GHZ · Feb 05, 2020, 11:15 AM

Institutional Gaslighting; Investigations to Silence the Victim and Protect the Perp
Michaela Kennedy-Cuomo | April 5, 2019

The excerpt below is from the Brown Political Review, it can be found here :

Institutional Gaslighting; Investigations to Silence the Victim and Protect the Perp - Brown Political Review

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When interpersonal injustice – discrimination, harassment, or assault – is perpetrated within the context of an institution such as a workplace or school, the institution often responds with action intended not to understand the transgression, but rather to protect itself by silencing the victim or survivor. While the individual is already vulnerable due to the precipitating harm, “institutional betrayal” often causes the victim to feel doubted and unsupported. This betrayal is uniquely poignant because it is often committed by a team of esteemed people who are framed as the arbiters of justice. In reality, that respected team is intended to protect its institution. In effect, the goal of those who investigate the wrongdoing is not to decipher the truth or dole the consequences, but rather to silence the victim, consequently enabling the predator. When a group of respected people within an institution are posed as investigating on the victim’s behalf, but in actuality act to belittle or deny the reality of the harm committed in order to protect the institution’s reputation, the institution can cause the victim to question their own perceptions of reality, feelings, instincts, and even sanity. When an authority figure incites self-doubt in the victim, they are employing a tactic of emotional abuse referred to as “gaslighting, a term coined in reference to domestic abuse.” Perpetrators, whether they are individuals or institutions, use “gaslighting” to get what they want, typically “without ever taking responsibility for their actions or even [their] precipitating desires.” When an institution gaslights a victim in order to protect its own reputation, the institutional betrayal silences, invalidates, and harms recent survivors in their most vulnerable states.
The more shameful the transgressions are, the more likely an institution is to gaslighting the victim to silence and bury the issue that occurred within its contexts. In accordance, institutional gaslighting is prevalent in many interactions in the aftermath of sexual assault. Tales of student interactions in Title IX offices across the country are defined by dismissal and gaslighting tactics. The perpetrator of gaslighting causes the victim to question their own perceptions of reality, feelings, instincts, and sanity through various tactics. Some of such tactics include “withholding”, which occurs when the abuser refuses to listen to the victim. Another tactic is “countering”, which occurs when the abuser questions the victim’s memory of events, even when the victim remembers them accurately. The abuser employs the tactic of “diverting” when the abuser questions the victim’s thoughts to distract from the issue at hand. “Trivializing” is when the abuser makes the victim’s feelings seem unimportant. Lastly, “denial” is when the abuser pretends that they are not aware of what actually occurred. Institutions commonly betray their members through their use of gaslighting to inspire doubt, disbelief, and dismissal. These abusive tactics culminate beginning with the first steps after an interpersonal injustice is realized.
The interpersonal injustice of sexual assault is frequently met with institutional gaslighting throughout the duration of reporting. A person confides they have recently been violated to their core and discloses that their bodily autonomy was stripped of them, used, and disposed of. Instead of being met with empathy or reassurance to restore a sense of security, the student is met with degrading questions to shift blame. The victim is often asked if they were drinking, and subsequently often met with disdain, doubt, and discouragement. If the student still questions whether they may pursue the case, a Title IX university representative will usually say that the student will need to read through an inch-thick stack of paper filled with legal jargon and policy loopholes. The near sixty pages plopped on the table, if read, will likely lead a student to conclude that no satisfactory action to prevent reoffense will actually be taken. The college’s sexual assault officers will rarely forget to emphasize that the student should not go to the police or involve anyone but the school itself. In these interactions, an institution essentially tells the still-shaken survivor that the institution lacks concern for the violated. The institution trivializes the survivor’s pain while simultaneously dehumanizing the survivor. When the institution works to bury cases of harassment instead of working to understand the story, the institution degrades the vulnerable.
"When trusted institutions take action to underplay the crime and silence the victim, the institution causes significant harm against the healing of the victim and proves that one can perpetrate harm without their being held accountable for the offense."
When someone expects to trust the judgment of an institution, but the institution then betrays justice, survivors are gaslighted. For instance, Harvard University’s Office for Dispute Resolution (ODR) was created to pose as an impartial investigative process to Harvard students, faculty, and affiliates, particularly for sexual or gender-based harassment. The premise on which Harvard’s ODR was founded is in itself manipulative and deceiving, as, in reality, Harvard pays the salaries of the ODR’s employees thereby creating an incentive to protect the institution. The Harvard ODR’s inclination to minimize and suppress the report of the wrongdoing is demonstrated by their biased language. The ODR refers to the victim as the “complainant,” and the person who was reported for committing a discriminatory act as the “respondent.” This subtle characterization, along with microaggressive questions about dress, drinks, and double standards is all indicative of an insidious doubt. When genuine harm has been committed and an institution concludes that the harm is less significant than in fact it was, an already vulnerable student, who has already felt abused, is then undermined and unsupported by the institution. For instance, Harvard’s ODR relayed a police report for an arrest for domestic abuse to the college as a report of a physical altercation. The Harvard office investigators countered reports by Cambridge City Police and the Massachusetts District Court when finding a male student innocent, a student who the city, district, and state had charged with domestic assault. One of the strongest predictors of if a survivor of sexual assault will be revictimized is the level of hostility or respect an institution gives survivors. Therefore, when trusted institutions take action to underplay the crime and silence the victim, the institution causes significant harm against the healing of the victim and proves that one can perpetrate harm without their being held accountable for the offense.
The prevalent pattern of institutions discounting the credibility of reports of assault and dismissing survivors has tremendous consequences on healing. A 2016 study found that among veterans exposed to military sexual trauma, perceptions of institutional betrayal correlated to victims attempting suicide and self-harm. First, the institutional betrayal echoes the abuse a survivor may just be escaping, which leads to further emotional and psychological distress. Second, the commonplace devaluing of a victim’s testimony hinders the victim at every step for safety and justice. Third, the psychological consequences of institutional gaslighting after a sexual assault are likely immense. In order to dissuade a perpetrator from reoffending, help survivors heal and lower the likelihood of revictimization, and end the systemic pattern of gaslighting the vulnerable, institutions need to prioritize truth in investigations over institutional expediency.
In order to support those in the wake on an interpersonal injustice, individuals need to reassure survivors that many institutions act in self-interest, as opposed to acting on the principles of unbiased justice. Although institutional gaslighting is pervasive, it often takes decades of reports of injustices for any large-scale action to be taken, as demonstrated repeatedly with cases of systemic injustices over history. Therefore, individuals can feel alone in being targeted and continuously victimized by institutional gaslighting, which is why the reassurance of friends and family is of utmost importance. Survivors deserve to be believed and supported in their desired course of action, without being intentionally intimidated. Survivors and supporters should be reassured by their truth and their status on the progressive, compassionate side of history. While institutions shamefully engage in abusive tactics of gaslighting, every survivor in the wake of injustice has stood up and told their truth to the best of their ability at the time being and has, therefore, propelled the journey towards justice.

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

here today · Feb 05, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HD7970GHZ

Read this excerpt from an interesting article written by Chaya Grossberg, found here:

Child Abuse, Mental Health and Mental Illness - Mad In America

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. . .Of course most abusers have been hit themselves. The cycle goes on, until a true psychiatry (literally: medicine of the soul/psyche) emerges, puts down its tools of silencing and advocates for us all to speak out about who hit us, when, where and how often. And what were they saying or shouting when they did so?. . .

Read some of the comments at the bottom of the page! They are absolutely incredible. Riddled with fellow survivor insight and research, etc. It is quite amazing.
. . .
HD7970ghz

For me, since there is no "help" out there and the perpetrators continue in their unconsciousness and denial and self-defense and justifications, what I have is my PAIN and injury. That's what I have. "They" may or may not change or respond to me, based on my pain and injury and the fact that I think it's their job to help. But if/when they don't, what I am left with is what I have -- pain and injury. And that feels like more of a nothing or even a negative, but it's all I've GOT. And, yes, sometimes as a result I may want to cease to exist. Why I do continue to try to put one foot in front of the other I'm not entirely sure, but for right now I do. . .

I'm not sure that a true psychiatry/medicine of the soul is needed as much as more people in general "waking up" to their/our numbed out pains, which leads to perpetrations and then accusations, even if the accusations are justified. It's just that accusations. . .are they really effective?

It seems like what would be a "medicine of the soul" for me is if somebody could sit with me in my pain. The last therapist terminated me because she didn't "have the emotional resources" (her words) to do that. Maybe/probably she hadn't felt or dealt with her own pain. And there are no certifications or licenses that a client can depend on to find a therapist who can.

BudFox · Feb 05, 2020, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HD7970GHZ

BudFox,

I just had to quote this - because it is so well said!

Reword it a bit, and I think this could become the skeleton and preface for a pamphlet...

What do you think?

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

Hmm, not sure. What would you do with the pamphlet?

HD7970GHZ · Feb 07, 2020, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BudFox

Hmm, not sure. What would you do with the pamphlet?

Hi Budfox,

I would convince the Government to fund pamphlets in every therapist's office, hospital, police station, advocacy organization, mental health forum, etc.

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

Ceara1010 · Feb 08, 2020, 06:49 PM

I've been stalked electronically for over a decade by a sicko psychologist (and a colleague of his) who thinks this is a form of therapy. I was briefly a student of his over 15 years ago and he's been obsessed with me ever since. I can't tell if he's addicted to attacking me or just addicted to committing the crime, or maybe it's both. I do know this is connected with my being discriminated against while I was in school, and he blamed me for the whole mess and he's been punishing me for it ever since. I thought it was over, but he appears to be right back at it, with his friend in tow.

Shotokan · Feb 09, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceara1010

I've been stalked electronically for over a decade by a sicko psychologist (and a colleague of his) who thinks this is a form of therapy. I was briefly a student of his over 15 years ago and he's been obsessed with me ever since. I can't tell if he's addicted to attacking me or just addicted to committing the crime, or maybe it's both. I do know this is connected with my being discriminated against while I was in school, and he blamed me for the whole mess and he's been punishing me for it ever since. I thought it was over, but he appears to be right back at it, with his friend in tow.

Have you reported this to the police? If not, I think you really should. Police departments now have an internet crime unit.

HD7970GHZ · Feb 09, 2020, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceara1010

I've been stalked electronically for over a decade by a sicko psychologist (and a colleague of his) who thinks this is a form of therapy. I was briefly a student of his over 15 years ago and he's been obsessed with me ever since. I can't tell if he's addicted to attacking me or just addicted to committing the crime, or maybe it's both. I do know this is connected with my being discriminated against while I was in school, and he blamed me for the whole mess and he's been punishing me for it ever since. I thought it was over, but he appears to be right back at it, with his friend in tow.

Hi Ceara, Thank you for sharing your story Ceara! My heart goes out to you. I have heard of this happening before, but it is very rare that anyone ever shares their experiences for fear of being disbelieved. I want you to know that I believe you wholeheartedly! The digital space is scary and things like this do happen all the time. Hacking is becoming more and more common too. We spend so much of our time in the digital universe - there is no wonder that this is occurring. Any chance you might be able to block your perpetrators for good? I am wondering if perhaps you might share how you have managed to cope with this? It sounds like a very unique set of circumstances to be in - and your hard-earned insight could save lives. I would love to hear how you have managed to cope and handle these abusive tactics. Have you tried to file complaints against the perpetrators? I hope you are well, Thanks, HD7970ghz

Shotokan · Feb 09, 2020, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceara1010

I've been stalked electronically for over a decade by a sicko psychologist (and a colleague of his) who thinks this is a form of therapy. I was briefly a student of his over 15 years ago and he's been obsessed with me ever since. I can't tell if he's addicted to attacking me or just addicted to committing the crime, or maybe it's both. I do know this is connected with my being discriminated against while I was in school, and he blamed me for the whole mess and he's been punishing me for it ever since. I thought it was over, but he appears to be right back at it, with his friend in tow.

I forgot to mention that reporting this to their licensing board is also a good idea.

But if you report it to the police, I am sure that the licensing board will find out.

HD7970GHZ · 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotokan

I forgot to mention that reporting this to their licensing board is also a good idea.

But if you report it to the police, I am sure that the licensing board will find out.

I recommend being very careful approaching police. They usually just say, "What does the psychiatrist say?" If you go that route, I would recommend seeking legal council first, having them help you write a report and make sure the police don't just chalk this up to mental illness. There is a reason why they don't have as much power as psychiatry.

PSYCHIATRY provides ample control and wiggle-room for abusers in power, by providing present day societies biggest loophole: THE INVENTION OF FABRICATED EVIDENCE, WHICH SOMEHOW STANDS UP IN A COURT OF LAW, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT A PSYCHIATRIST'S OPINION IS TRUE OR NOT.

Psychiatry is an industry that is literally designed to create evidence out of thin air. They base this evidence on a foundation of knowledge that is constantly changing - and then they claim that an opinion is evidence, and therefore, it stands up in a court of law...

Does anyone else see how pathetic this system is? It is literally designed to protect perpetrators. There is FAR more incentive to be unethical in that system, than to be ethical. Lots of room for corruption in those power dynamics, and despite the fact that this has been abused and proven countless times - the majority of the public is still stuck on, "Why would a psychiatrist want to harm you?"

Simple answer: Because they can. Because they are human and they are able to benefit from it - whether that be monetarily, a feeling of empowerment and control over others, career advancements and political favors, fear of retaliation for doing the right thing, etc.

Absolutely disgustingly broken system. But we must be paranoid, right?

Hmm.

Our entire legal establishment needs a serious kick in the butt, and along with it includes Law Enforcement, Judicial Systems, Child Protection Services, Healthcare, Psychiatry, etc. Netflix's exclusive, "Making a Murderer," is a pinpoint accurate depiction of the truth behind closed doors, and that same principle can be applied to every Government establishment and or Institution that affords employees with all the power in the world and absolutely ZERO accountability.

But I must be paranoid.

Okay then lol.

Is everyone who is ever made aware of the truth behind closed doors, labelled paranoid?

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

HD7970GHZ · Feb 10, 2020, 03:44 PM

Exposed: The therapist using a legal loophole to sexually exploit his clients | Daily Mail Online

HD7970GHZ · Feb 10, 2020, 03:49 PM

https://notsobigsociety.files.wordpr...guide-full.pdf

This is amazing! What do people think of this??

And this is also amazing - look through some of these forum threads! So interesting testimonies!

Cult Education Forum :: Clergy and Therapy Abuse

Thanks,
HD7970ghz

ArtleyWilkins · Feb 10, 2020, 03:55 PM

Just FYI: Be sure you are utilizing legitimate and respected sources.

Daily Mail - Media Bias/Fact Check

ArtleyWilkins · 05:47 PM

Your source a few articles back is from The Daily Mail which is why I provided the Media Bias/Fact Check link to that source. In the link I provided, the following is stated about this source: "In review, the Daily Mail tends to publish stories utilizing sensationalized headlines with emotionally loaded wordings such as “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”, which is a misleading headline. In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing as well as sourcing to themselves. In general, most stories favor the right, however the Daily Mail will report either side if the story is sensational enough."

When you are passionate about a cause, it is important to also check your sources to be sure they are coming from media sources of a certain reliability. Otherwise, you inadvertently may end up weakening your argument because of poor source work.

Ceara1010 · Feb 10, 2020, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotokan

Have you reported this to the police? If not, I think you really should. Police departments now have an internet crime unit.

I've filed police reports on them but I can't prove anything. And the licensing board wouldn't do anything.

Ceara1010 · Feb 10, 2020, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HD7970GHZ

Hi Ceara, Thank you for sharing your story Ceara! My heart goes out to you. I have heard of this happening before, but it is very rare that anyone ever shares their experiences for fear of being disbelieved. I want you to know that I believe you wholeheartedly! The digital space is scary and things like this do happen all the time. Hacking is becoming more and more common too. We spend so much of our time in the digital universe - there is no wonder that this is occurring. Any chance you might be able to block your perpetrators for good? I am wondering if perhaps you might share how you have managed to cope with this? It sounds like a very unique set of circumstances to be in - and your hard-earned insight could save lives. I would love to hear how you have managed to cope and handle these abusive tactics. Have you tried to file complaints against the perpetrators? I hope you are well, Thanks, HD7970ghz

There's much more to this story that I haven't shared because it would make me look too crazy--that is the perpetrator's protection, that no one would believe me and they would think I'm just crazy.

I haven't really coped well. I've got CPTSD because of these people and have been disabled from this for years now.

Thanks so much for your kind words.

ArtleyWilkins · Feb 10, 2020, 05:38 PM

Again, not questioning your cause. Not sure why the long post to me about abuse and survivors. That wasn't my point. I was simply recommending you take care to double check your sources. This one I noted is pretty notorious for being considered highly unreliable and repeatedly considered discredited.

HD7970GHZ · Feb 10, 2020, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtleyWilkins

Again, not questioning your cause. Not sure why the long post to me about abuse and survivors. That wasn't my point. I was simply recommending you take care to double check your sources. This one I noted is pretty notorious for being considered highly unreliable and repeatedly considered discredited.

No worries ArtleyWilkins! I didn't mean to write a long post for you - I needed to vent my frustrations is all.

How have you been? I haven't talked to you in awhile?

Thanks,
HD7970GHZ

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