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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:25 PM
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When I was in college, one of my professors told me that it was important that I find a therapist who was smarter than I.

Do y'all think this matters?

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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:33 PM
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I need someone whose intelligence I can respect, but I don’t think they need to be smarter. Just able to keep up with me and get some of my cultural references.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:44 PM
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Depends. Depends on the client, the client's issues/presentation, etc.

Personally? I need an intelligent therapist who can keep up with me. Smarter than me? I don't measure or look for that specifically. I've had better luck with therapists with PhDs than Master's degrees, I think because they are more likely to have a better understanding of my intellectualism.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:45 PM
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Smarter than me in general or when it comes to mental health? In general not at one. There were areas that T admitted she was pretty clueless that had zero to do with went I saw her. In those areas I often taught her a lot. However in the areas of mental health, therapy, etc yes I needed her to know more than me.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:50 PM
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I think "intelligent" is too broad of a term. They should be able to keep up intellectually with the client, and offer something the client cannot do on their own. They need to be skilled in their practice. There are many types of intelligence, and just because someone is brilliant in one regard and their therapist is not does not mean that the therapist cannot help them. If there is a big gap in intelligence in general, I think it could be difficult for the therapist to help the client, though, because the client might be steps ahead of them.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:50 PM
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I have not interviewed one who was. I don't think that is because of me but because those people don't go into therapy school because of intelligence. I think they value other things. The second one I saw was intelligent and well read and versed in the humanities. She also has (it is now her only job as she retired from being a therapist recently) a whole other career in an art field and she had first planned on getting her phd in that field. She has her mfa as well as lcsw. But I don't think that is common for those people.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 08:57 PM
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I used to think “yes” and it is definitely helpful if they are smarter. I don’t think current t is smarter intellectually but may be more emotionally intelligent in surprising ways. Street smarts do count for something.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 09:02 PM
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I agree with growlycat that emotional intelligence needs to be higher than mine, however the bar is very low in that case. And it sure doesn't hurt if they are also intellectually bright. Of all the ones I've seen, I would say two of them, including my current one, were intellectually bright. The ones who were not, were a disaster. I am guessing that educational programs for therapists are not known as intellectually demanding. It's more of a bonus if some bright ones slip through.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 09:12 PM
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I keep thinking that if my therapist and I met while attending the same high school, I would be the awkward AP student and he would be the savvy but scary kid that smoked in the boys room and skipped class. I would be afraid of him ( he has described himself as a young person) but he could still teach me a thing or two, just not the things I would expect.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 09:13 PM
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I never thought I’d find a therapist less emotionally intelligent than me, but amazingly I did. It didn’t end well.
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Old Aug 19, 2018, 10:41 PM
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I think "intelligent" is too broad of a term. They should be able to keep up intellectually with the client, and offer something the client cannot do on their own. They need to be skilled in their practice. There are many types of intelligence, and just because someone is brilliant in one regard and their therapist is not does not mean that the therapist cannot help them. If there is a big gap in intelligence in general, I think it could be difficult for the therapist to help the client, though, because the client might be steps ahead of them.
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say... but gotten across so much better than I would have been able.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 07:47 AM
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I think being intelligent is an asset in any job, and I'm sure that therapy is one of them. I'm not sure I can accurately tell whether other people are more or less intelligent than me, and I doubt that very many people can. People can know their own intelligence and if they are self aware, they can understand how this translates into their strengths and weaknesses in their work and lives. Many bright people have deficits in some kind of cognitive area as well as top scores in others. Some people think that knowing certain facts or information is a sign of intelligence, or not. I know some stuff about law that I learned in law school, and I'm often surprised that many people don't have a grasp of some of the basics, such as that only the government can violate your constitutional rights, not private organizations or individuals.

I haven't found in my one-time interivews or experience working with therapists that they seem much different in intelligence than any other professional; there's a range. I think intelligence would generally help a therapist identify themes of an individual's experience and promote understanding of a client's world view. Perceptiveness and empathic understanding and insight seem related to intelligence although some bright people are lacking, especially when it comes to ourselves. I find my perspective on myself, which is different than knowing what is right for me, is often less accurate than I'd like it to be.

I think when people say that a person needs an intelligent therapist to match or exceed their own, it's just an observation or a compliment on his/her intelligence. And perhaps some awareness than many intelligent people are more capable than others of using creative defenses to avoid working on their issues, and perhaps a more intelligent therapist can "break through" these defenses.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 07:56 AM
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My first T was academically intelligent (with beautiful handwriting) but sometimes that meant although we connected in academia, she wasn’t always emotionally tuned in.

My current T writes in text talk and I don’t think is academically minded but she has emotional intelligence which I find personally more useful then academic intelligence.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 08:15 AM
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I never thought I’d find a therapist less emotionally intelligent than me, but amazingly I did. It didn’t end well.
I never found one whose emotional intelligence, if they had any, was useful to me. The second woman, the one who was more distant and aloof probably came the closest in that for me. I did not find her warm in any way, but she didn't try to corner me and was at least able to convey to me at times, a sense that she was sometimes understanding the point I was trying to make.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 09:22 AM
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For me, it was important to find an intellectual match for me. I don't know if he's more intelligent. Possibly. But we are pretty evenly matched. I need it because I need someone who can understand what I'm talking about.
I doubt everyone needs a therapist more intelligent. You don't need to process grief or something with somebody highly intelligent, just somebody who feels.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 09:24 AM
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I don't necessarily think that my therapist need be more intelligent than I but I do expect them to be on the same level at least. I also expect them to be quite smart (which is different than intelligence). I expect them to be well above average when it comes to general knowledge about things. I can't imagine having to talk down to a care professional. I need to be able to respect them.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 09:27 AM
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You don't need to process grief or something with somebody highly intelligent, just somebody who feels.
That was not true for me. The first woman was useful for grief because she stayed back but she would have said she felt. Her feeling or ability to feel had nothing to do with it that I can tell with why I found her useful.
The second one, who was more intellectual (since I do not know their actual intelligence), was more useful in other ways around my grieving such as helping me function through the early stages and come more to grips with it in some of the latter. I am not finished with grief (if one ever is) and they are both retired so I have no ability to tell what would have been useful going forward.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 09:30 AM
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That was not true for me. The first woman was useful for grief because she stayed back but she would have said she felt. Her feeling, had nothing that I can tell, with why I found her useful.
The second one, who was more intellectual (since I do not know their actual intelligence) was more useful in other ways around my grieving such as helping me function through the early stages and come more to grips with it in some of the latter. I am not finished with grief (if one ever is) and they are both retired so I have no ability to tell what would have been useful going forward.
Yeah you're right. I was generalising. We all have different needs for grief. It might have been better to say that I would need someone who feels, to help me process grief.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 05:06 PM
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I voted "not sure".

I wouldn't use the word "intelligent" but rather "psychologically developed". The therapist who is on the lower level of their emotional/psychological/spiritual development than the client has nothing to offer to the client. Someone who is less "woke" cannot guide those who are more advanced in their development.
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Old Aug 20, 2018, 05:27 PM
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I would want my therapist to have more wisdom than me.
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