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Old Oct 24, 2018, 01:04 PM
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My T cut me a pretty big break on fees when I got laid off. It was a temporary situation, of course. But it isn't always true that Ts just vanish if they're not getting paid.
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Old Oct 24, 2018, 01:24 PM
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Old Oct 24, 2018, 02:08 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2018, 03:47 PM
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Like anything else in life that needs to be paid for, therapy requires the client to work or otherwise find the funding for it. I think that mental health care should be just like dental and medical care, and single payer in the U.S. Small co-pay for the client. So I don't think, in an ideal system, that a client would run out of money for therapy. But I don't see my participation in therapy as with a "caring/attachment figure", that's not why I go to therapy, so I would no more expect free therapy than I would expect free massages, acupuncture, or other kinds of bodywork that I pay for out of pocket.
I think the point is-

A client may be more invested in the therapist than the therapist is invested in the client. That's how I took Bill3's post rather than the idea that people expecting a therapist to not be paid.

And some people are simply stating or reinforcing this concept.
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Old Oct 25, 2018, 04:43 PM
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We have a bit of a different situation in the UK but it often means that we don’t get to have therapy for a long period of time (long waiting lists, limited amount of sessions). For me it’s more like, when time runs out the therapists just go, even if you really need more time unfortunately it isn’t an option
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Old Oct 25, 2018, 06:41 PM
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The issue to me is to what extent you are being sold performance and artifice as something authentic and transcendent.

Personally I don't buy into the idea of healing relational wounds with a relationship that is even a little bit fake. And I found therapy relationships to be more fake than most. So, yea, screw that. The way I coped was to stop going.

Therapists should be held to higher standards, instead they are regarded as saints just because they throw out a few self-disclosures in between hours and hours of being inscrutable and secretive.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 11:07 AM
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I was watching The Voice recently and the coaches there were discussing the emotionality produced by the singer, that the experience of a song resonating is not just the notes or the perfection of a voice but the emotional storytelling that the singer produces. Sometimes they give the advice to think about a particular person (unrequited love a common theme) when singing a song that is intended to evoke a particular emotional experience. It reminds me of watching a movie and being engrossed in the story and getting something out of the storytelling, whether it is fiction or a "true story."

In many ways, therapy is about my storytelling, and the way that my T accompanies me as I tell it. Whether it resonates with him or whether he is "faking" resonance in particular ways doesn't matter to me, just like I can feel the emotionality in a song whether the singer has genuine emotion, same with a movie. I still benefit when there is resonance, when it feels to me that I have been understood and accepted, that I don't question whether it is genuine (and that seems like a waste of time in therapy). So what if it's not, my subjective perception is what matters to me.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 01:07 PM
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I change therapist quite frequently. I never seem to get the answers I need. So I would agree that therapy is a lie.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 01:30 PM
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But generally, the doubts about the authenticity of the relationship I think clients bring to the therapy from experiences in the past. It would be interesting to think about why the default isn't to expect authenticity.
The therapists I saw did very little to earn trust or demonstrate authenticity. Mostly they gawked at me like creepy voyeurs and spat out canned responses. The authenticity was all on my side. The doubts are justified. It's a paid performance.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 01:35 PM
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I just remind myself they are human, so not perfect and they are working, so doing what they trained to do.

Yes they can care and such but it's all limited. It's frustrating but it's really no different than any other person.... most people I've ever met are very fake. I guess I'm just used to that
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 01:40 PM
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I don't understand the angst over whether the therapist is genuine or real or whatever. The therapist is a tool the client can use. Not the only tool, but one sort.
If the therapist seems sincere to you and you want sincerity, go with it.

It reminds me of this from Bull Durham:
Crash Davis: I told him that a player on a streak has to respect the streak.
Annie Savoy: Oh fine.
Crash Davis: You know why? Because they don't - -they don't happen very often.
Annie Savoy: Right.
Crash Davis: If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid, or because you're not getting laid, or because you wear women's underwear, then you are! And you should know that!
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 06:21 PM
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I think most of peope don’t want to open up and get emotional in front of someone who will judge them negatively or will reject them. In which case they are better off talking to people in their real lives or anonymous strangers at the food store and save the $.
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Old Oct 27, 2018, 12:40 AM
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I asked my T very early on if he would lie to a patient, including if he thought it would be in their best interests.
He thought about it for a minute and said that he couldn't think of a situation in which he would do so.
I believed him.

He's brought it up a few times since then when he was trying to reassure me about something. I've brought it up when asking him questions too. And I still believe him.
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Old Oct 27, 2018, 01:02 AM
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My T doesn't lie to me. If she lied, she would have told me she loves me, or dodged the question. Instead she told me that she doesn't love me. It hurt, but I appreciate the truth over a lie. And that is the basis of our relationship: honesty. We don't lie to each other. I have so many other examples of truth, that I do believe she's always being honesty.
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