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Most certainly there are medical professionals who would alter medical records to cover their butts but it’s not encouraged or looked at as a necessary evil. If one gets caught, it’s a major issue as not only it’s immoral but could easily cause them their job and mainly their license- their livelihood, investigation of the department and the entire facility often follows and it reflects terribly on the entire medical facility. So most medical professionals don’t look at it lightly as something common and normal. |
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What you are describing is bizarre behaviour. This kind of hypervigilance is often misplaced and eventually harmful to the person who subscribes to it. There are less intense, less harmful (to the client) and more legally sound ways of challenging unethical practice.
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Thanks for sharing this, I agree with some of what you are saying. Unfortunately, not enough healthcare professionals are caught doing this. I know from doing a lot of research that this behavior is unfortunately normalized. It does happen, a lot. Doesn't mean everyone will do it but there is a process to handling situations where potential litigation and or complaints could arise. Those who are caught are definitely penalized. Unfortunately many are not penalized enough and continue doing it. The way the system handles it is by blaming and shaming the culprit and making them out to be a single bad seed. (As in, it is not a cultural or systemic problem). This stuff truly is systemic and it really is getting worse. Thanks, HD7970ghz
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I didn't bother to get notes, and my therapist told half-truths in response to the grievance I filed. Never mind he would have needed to be clairvoyant for some of the knowledge and assessments he claimed. He won the case. He also seemed to think I was thriving under his magnificent care, only to slip from reality and his beneficent grasp at the end. I've read other reports of therapists faking notes when there's a dispute. That said, I strongly feel that clients deciding their therapist unethical best gather evidence and leave as quickly as the dynamic is recognized. My therapist did the most damage after I concluded he was venomous; I got no benefit from trying to right the relationship. |
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![]() I suppose without going into detail, I will offer you a single piece of evidence to read. It is a peer reviewed article written by a PH.D nurse named Kathy Ahern. I recommend reading it in order to inform and protect yourself against these things. Professionals are penalized for advocating for change and speaking up against these matters. Ethical violations are unfortunately a cultural and systemic problem. Ask any healthcare professionals 1 on 1 and off the record, most will acknowledge these things if they've witnessed or experienced it. A lot of them are afraid to speak up because they are treated as whistleblowers if they do. Here is something to entertain this topic. Please read it. It is written from a healthcare professionals perspective and acknowledges the systemic issues and what happens to those who advocate and speak up. (Professionals are victims too). https://nursing.ceconnection.com/ovi...1000-00014.pdf Thanks, HD7970ghz
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I read this paper and it describes the types of issues that can happen. However, this paper definitely does not provide any evidence that changing patients records is "common and normal". I think this paper describes important concepts and does a good job in explaining them but it does not give any evidence what so ever about how frequently or infrequently these things happen. This evidence simply isn't there.
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Changing records is probably the least important unethical thing a T can do (imo). It's the stuff done to the client that is where the real harm is. And many times, you don't realize the harm that's being done until after the fact.
Btw, if the T is smart, they just won't document the unethical things... "Yes, today I abandoned my client and she over reacted. Etc." That doesn't happen.
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There were three attorneys in my family before my dad died.
Although I am furious at the low quality of care from therapists and pdocs (with their 15 minutes for most pdoc sessions dictated by insurance companies)here in the States, I would recommend seeing an attorney before trying any of this. The original poster is informed enough to warn against making assumptions about what the laws are. What doing this would cost most of us in terms of stress would not be worth it. I think that really flagrant behavior should be reported and yes, that would require documentation. For simply ineffective practices such as no goal setting, we should make our wishes known repeatedly, say that we’ll have to move on if they cant even help us set goals, and then change doctors if they don’t comply. We should all join advocacy groups such as NAMI and DBSA and donate money to them if we can, and come out of the closet and speak out against stigma once w are retired or don’t have a career to protect. Wish there wasn’t still so much prejudice that I have to limit speaking out in that way, but sorry, after all the school shootings, prejudice is still alive and well. Progress has been made however, thanks to various celebrities coming out.
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I seem to recall having trouble with you in the past... Thanks for posting. In bold: no one said that the link I provided would prove that alteration of medical records is common and normal. What it does show is that a toxic culture is normal and that those who speak up are victimized. **In response to your post I will provide numerous accounts of alteration of medical records as evidence that this behavior is normalized, though all one has to do is google, "alteration of medical records," and do a bit of their own research. Thanks, Hd7970ghz
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Similarly, talking about murders does not mean that murder is normal (frequent, standard, happening all the time). |
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Now of course there are unethical people out there and article has some good points that things do happen but I don’t see anything in that article suggesting that it’s common or normal. It just describes the issue. We can find articles on every topic on the planet as well as google whatever concept and we will find stuff about everything. But it won’t make it common occurrence or normal. |
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So you are saying some people were not penalized enough and continue doing so. How do you know? What do you mean by “enough”? Are you saying they weren’t fired? Were they written up and suspended perhaps? So when they came from suspension, are you saying they started falsifying records again? Do you know anyone in person who continues doing that after insufficient penalty? Otherwise how do you know?
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Do you have records of that? For many years it’s been heart, cancer and accidents/injuries from accidents and then other illnesses follow. I’ve never seen “medical errors” being third leading cause of death in the US. Do you have statistics on that?
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While I appreciate you challenging this topic, I simply will not be able to answer all the questions in the world. What I will say is that I will not have words put in my mouth. So if you need clarification about any of what I am saying, feel free to read my survivors of unethical therapy threads. I have personally experienced this. More than once. In more than one organization. This is unfortunately a normal thing in healthcare and I highly recommend doing your own research. That is the only way you will become satisfied with your questions. Thanks, Hd7970ghz
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Studies do hold this out. Various studies show the CDC’s reporting method for cause of death to be flawed. That said, not all medical error is due to errors of commission (deliberate error) nor do the studies say records are falsified. What tends to happen is cause of death is reported through diagnostic billing codes and medical error isn’t a billing code (my oversimplified explanation).
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I will not engage in toxic arguments. Thanks for your opinions, I can see where you are headed and I simply will not engage in it. ![]() P.S. Do some research. I recommend it. Thanks, Hd7970ghz
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Thank you for posting this info I actually didn't know about billing codes - I will have to research this. Thanks, HD7970GHZ
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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Thanks, Hd7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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How do you know if that’s why “they” are falsifying records? Is that your opinion or you have some type of records where those who falsified something did it for that reason?
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No. I am an educator and work a great deal with research and validity. It is important that studies are reported for what the statistical data actually states and not misinterpreted or misrepresented as meaning something other than they state. Additionally, I have a lifelong, intense history of dealing with the medical community due to serious and regular illnesses in m family requiring constant working with medical specialists. Several members of my family are medical specialists. I also am degreed in special education, working regularly with psychologists, therapists, diagnosticians, and other service personnel who often deal with students with mental illness.
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If you believe that what happpens because you had personal bad experience then I do understand and sympathize. I still don’t agree on making sweeping generalizations but I totally understand why you’d feel like making generalizations. Painful experiences often do shape how we think. I hope things get better for you. Bad experience can shake someone to the core. Hang in there |
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Hi all,
I just found this peer reviewed article. Alteration of Medical Records Submitted for Medicolegal Review | JAMA | JAMA Network It was written in 1992 by a Medical Doctor. I have ordered the article. The portion of the abstract I could obtain is written as follows: Quote:
Thanks, HD7970ghz
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