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![]() ArtleyWilkins, DP_2017
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Thanks, HD7970GHZ
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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Stop shoving research at everything. Be a bit open minded to other views. You are no expert and some internet links are not always accurate. We don't even know where you get all this "research" it sounds like it's mostly frustrating or anger from you because of your experience and you generalize things too much No doubt it happens sometimes but i think you are making it way bigger than it is. As someone stated most are not gonna risk losing a license by doing this. I am sure actual abuse in the industry happens more than this and I would not even classify that as common. There are some ****** people in the world no doubt but there are far more decent ones I really encourage you to become more open minded to other views and not so stuck in your research. When someone agrees with you, you are thrilled but when they don't you think they are toxic or something and that's not ok. Listen I'm sorry for whatever crap you went through but honestly the world isn't as evil as you paint it out to be here and I'm not even a fan of people
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Hi DP_2017, Thanks for posting and I appreciate your opinion ![]() In bold: I still don't understand your assertion here. I do respect others views, ironically it seems as though some others don't like my view - hence the problem that keeps surfacing on these threads or any thread that touches on these themes for that matter. I simply will not engage in the toxicity. It is interesting that you say I am no expert on these matters.... Today on the news, the Catholic Church met to discuss the problems of sexual abuse within the clergy. Only - they didn't allow victims and survivors to speak at the event, claiming the Catholic Bishops were the experts on these matters... I found this interesting and so did the survivors. In fact, the survivors stood up and said, if there are any experts on these matters it is them, the survivors... And they are right. I also don't like people putting words in my mouth (assuming I am saying things without asking for clarification, nor ad hominem arguments that drift from the central purpose of a thread and instead choose to attack me, like for instance, claiming I am unwilling to hear others points of view. It is simply not true.). So lets get back to the problem at hand: alteration of medical records. Here is a recent case: Regina doctor suspended by College of Physicians and Surgeons of Sask. | Regina Leader-Post A side note: read this story. It is quite incredible. Let me know what you all think: Doctor and physician assistant alter patient's medical record—you won't believe what happened next | Thanks, HD7970GHZ
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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You literally said that person comparing murder was a toxic argument and would not engage with that. In other wotds, they did not agree so you left the user.
I am not reading your links and replying was pointless. you are one user who can talk in circles expertly here. I wont waste further time. You are not even listening to what others are saying. I'm still seeing "look at me, im right, Here's more links" from you. Hopefully someday you can find some peace and not be filled with so much anger in life Also your initial post, I wont even fully get into but why encourage anyone to stay in a abusive or bad therapy relationship? It does cost money you know People can easily see someone else or report them if it's really bad but staying to hopefully trap them? Wow, speaks volumes to your character. Was a bad idea to post here again. Hope you find happiness in life someday
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How does the world get/seem safer? I don't think it can reasonably be put all on the traumatized person just to see the world as safer. Not at all sure what an answer is, though. The world really is unsafe sometimes and protecting ourselves is important. Especially when the folks we go to for help healing from trauma traumatize us again, and in different ways. |
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In bold: Where have I said people should stay in unhealthy therapeutic relationships!? This is a perfect example of putting words in my mouth! I don't get it. I think you're lost in translation. Assuming I am informing others to stay in an unhealthy therapeutic alliance is absolutely contradictory to my advocacy efforts. The point is to protect yourself against unethical therapy. Evidence that you're in an unsafe place is if your therapist is altering records in which case you should leave and report them! The other argument that was brought up is toxic. Comparing alteration of legal health records to murder is quite a sensationalist leap to debunk an important issue. It takes away the entire message and anytime I engage in that kind of circular argument it gets farther and farther from the purpose of the thread. Thanks, HD7970GHZ
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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I don't think any on your links about single incidents prove anything about this being a standard practice. I'm sure these things happen. Hopefully the wrongdoers get caught and punished. But it doesn't make it "a standard practice". Claiming that and trying to prove it with links about single cases sounds a bit paranoid to me, I'm sorry.
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![]() DP_2017, feileacan
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But believing in conspiracy theories and that the world is full of “evil doers” who are out to get you is quite far from reality and isn’t the healthiest way to go about life. I am concerned about you and your well being. That much anger and suspicion just can’t be good for you. But thanks for the links. Those obviously are very bad incidents. No one would argue that those are ok. |
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I appreciate your response, I agree. A single case is not indicative of systemic problems. However, there are MANY individual cases. After speaking to politicians, front line staff, survivors, combing through legal documents, research studies, documentaries, etc - it is a major problem. Paranoia is an emotion that is unfortunately associated with being incorrect. I understand how all of this sounds - but I recommend doing some research before throwing that word around so candidly. People thought survivors of abuse by the Catholic Clergy were paranoid too until it was finally unmasked. Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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Hi DP_2017,
Prior to number 3, has the therapist done anything wrong yet? The answer is no. Once again, this is a method of self protection just in case it does happen. Doesn't mean they have or will. This is an example of assuming before asking for clarification, which is another problem on these threads. Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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Uh so why would you secretly record them prior then? That is drastic for random therapy. It's also steps for exposing corrupt or unethical therapists so it's implied you would suspect that first.
Paranoia can't be a fun way to live life. I feel for you and hope you get the help you need to be free and happy someday. Goodbye. Last post from me.
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To the underline: I agree completely. You said that well. To the bold: Labelling genuine trauma and proven issues in healthcare as being conspiracy theories is concerning to me. Perhaps that is why it continues to happen. Once again, I recommend doing some research before making an assertion like conspiracy theory - that term is also utilized when people speak up about these kinds of issues and to be frank - it doesn't feel very supportive of my point of view. Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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I am sorry that you don't understand the thread. I believe others understand this. I don't know what else to do to help you understand other than to refer you to read the thread from start to finish. Paranoia? Wow. Sure sounds like a supportive thing to say to a survivor. Thanks a bunch. Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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How many people would be a able to sit in therapy with random therapist for several months pretending they are there to work on something all while just being there to trap a therapist? It would require some very good acting
How many people can afford to attend therapy with different therapists for several months in order to trap them? It’s costly! How many people have that much free time and have nothing else to do they can sit in fake therapy for several months??? Who has the time? Who can sit there a month after month equipped with body cameras and recording devices and not be anxious and freaking out? I can’t even imagine doing that and I am not even “freak out” type of person. You are asking regular people to become undercover agents, something people actually train for? In order for people to successfully execute this ploy, they need training. Who is going to train them? This scenario is just so improbable and far fetched that I am really concerned for you now. Have you ever met people who’d be willing to do this? |
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"ACTING," is another means of distorting the message here. But I know where you are going here and I can say that is not what this is and that is not what I am saying. I have a question: Are you suggesting that patients should always go into a therapeutic relationship, vulnerable and without any means of protecting themselves? You have all acknowledged that there are bad therapists out there and bad people in every walk of life, yet somehow you don't think this makes sense? That is it a bad thing to do? What if that therapist you are seeing turns out to be a bad one? Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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This is not conspiracy theory. But I see I cannot and will not get through to you. Can we agree to disagree? Hysteria: "a psychological disorder (not now regarded as a single definite condition) whose symptoms include conversion of psychological stress into physical symptoms (somatization), selective amnesia, shallow volatile emotions, and overdramatic or attention-seeking behavior. The term has a controversial history as it was formerly regarded as a disease specific to women." This does not at all represent me. Please do not throw these words around so candidly. It doesn't feel supportive and is quite judgemental. Thanks, Hd7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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Your words: “I agree, the act of doing so is not healthy.” Re spending several months in attempts exposing therapists
That is what I am concerned about. You know yourself it’s unhealthy yet you advocate for people engaging in these unhealthy actions. Why? Perhaps engage in it yourself and then report the results, why encourage other people? Don’t you want people to live a healthy life? |
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Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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I think what I am stuck on is motive...what motive do these therapists have for altering records? If they do stuff wrong and make mistakes and they know they made mistakes then I guess altering records would be a good way of saving their asses but is it really that common? Assuming the ones who make mistakes and cover their butts like this happens sometimes, what about the other stats you are suggesting that demonstrate people regularly altering records or practices with clients? Maybe its because I havent experienced this (with therapy- I may have with doctors) so its harder for me to wrap my head around it. And I'll admit I am a little afraid of posting in this thread because I am intimidated by how you get so upset with people that disagree and call them toxic or say they are blaming the survivor... I do not want to be told I am toxic and blaming a survivor or worse-put on ignore and not be able to participate because I am accused of that. I am not saying you have told me that I am doing any of those things, I am just sharing my fear about responding as honestly as I want. Plus my experience recently with being insensitive is making me very gun-shy about saying how I feel because I do not want to upset anyone....
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Yeah that’s not how it works. You claim something but then can’t prove it. Then you are backpedaling asking others to prove the opposite. Lol not buying it.
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This is ad hominem argument and it is taking away from the entire point of this thread. Why is it threads have to go here? Even when I am open minded I am accused of not being open minded, even when I carefully word things it is still misinterpreted and words are put in my mouth. Even when I respect and support others perspectives I am accused of not doing so. It simply does not matter what I do or say. I am walking on eggshells and yet the fact remains - I am only trying to help people by informing them and educating them so they can peotect themselves. And so - I will continue to share and advocate and support you all because that is what must be done if we are to protect ourselves from POTENTIAL abuse in therapy. If you think that is wrong, that is okay. But that does not mean I am generalizing, paranoid, making conspiracy theories, hysterical. All this circular argument does is show how those with a voice are repeatedly silenced and chastised; which I will not be. I have had medical professionals shake my hand and say, "you are right. This is cultural and systemic. We need people like you because we are victims too." Once again, I don't appreciate being attacked like this and as a result, I will just keep advocating more and more. Thanks, HD7970ghz
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"stand for those who are forgotten - sacrifice for those who forget" "roller coasters not only go up and down - they also go in circles" "the point of therapy - is to get out of therapy" "don't put all your eggs - in one basket" "promote pleasure - prevent pain" "with change - comes loss" |
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