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Old Oct 06, 2019, 04:42 PM
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I never like when someone (other than in work contexts) is trying to force anything onto me, especially when they expect me to get into it (read, watch, listen etc) and inquire about it without my initiating the discussion or at least hinting that I am interested. Reading is definitely one of my favorite activities and I love discussing books, getting recommendations to assess for myself, I also often recommend reading to others. But I rarely loan actual books to someone without previously talking about it and knowing the person is interested, and vice versa... or at least knowing the person's taste pretty well and being confident it would be a good fit.

I think gifting can be different - you just give it and no need to ever bring up the subject again, unless desired. Loaning kinda implies the expectation of feedback and, without invitation, I find that intrusive. I am actually quite surprised that a T would just lend books to a client out of the blue. My last T loved reading and we had many overlapping interests in books (and art, and many other things), sometimes we discussed it briefly, but I did not want my therapy sessions to be about books or other things I routinely can and do discuss with pretty much anyone in my life. Sometimes we brought up things related to psychology, but only talked about it, never brought it into our meeting in material form.

If otherwise this is a good T for you, she was probably well-meaning... e.g. left the book to occupy you during the break, not thinking it would not be wanted. To me, it would also feel a bit like homework, but reading a popular fiction book that does not pique your interest is not really useful homework... or even appropriate, IMO.

In any case, I would be upfront with the T and tell her if you are not interested in those books - it can be done politely and I doubt she would be offended. I think it might be better to be direct about it also to avoid having to deal with this over and over again in the future. If you never say, she will never know and perhaps assume that you like it, especially if you are not truthful about your opinion and preferences. If you would still welcome theoretical book recommendations from her, maybe ask her to bring them up in conversation, perhaps with the possibility of borrowing the book ("There is this book.... in case you are interested, I own a copy and could lend it to you." - "Thanks, I may look into it."). And leave it there.

I think I mentioned, somewhere on this thread, that my husband and I are "book people"...we've collected books for decades & owned a book shop for 11 years. We've noticed that loaning or giving someone a book to read almost never turns out well. Books are so personal.

My T left me with several homework assignments to do while she was away, which I have done (and enjoyed). She's a terrific therapist and I know she meant well with the novel. Actually...discussing the types of novels I prefer, and the ones I do not, would make for an informative conversation.
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Old Oct 06, 2019, 05:31 PM
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I never have a problem telling someone "Sorry, isn't quite the type of book I like to read. Thanks for the suggestion though." I don't think that should in any way offend anyone. If they are offended, I'd say that's their issue. I suspect your therapist won't mind. You've set up a situation where you've been making your therapist think you actually had the same tastes in reading and you don't, but perhaps now's the time to just say "no." She'll get the hint.
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Old Oct 06, 2019, 09:50 PM
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I relate to you not liking "inspirational novels where the heroine goes through some dismal experiences, triumphs and lives a happy life. I would be thinking how unrealistic can one get. But that's me. I presume your therapist means well and she trying to be encouraging. Could you tell her what is helpful to you? Especially if there are any novels, nonfiction, self help book that would be beneficial. In my over 20s years of therapy with different pdocs, therapists not one of them eve suggested any books to read, I love reading novels, nonfiction, Now I am reading "The Green Man" by Kingsley Amis" A sexy, with ghost story, Oh did I meanion it was sexy? LOL
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Old Oct 06, 2019, 10:41 PM
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I relate to you not liking "inspirational novels where the heroine goes through some dismal experiences, triumphs and lives a happy life. I would be thinking how unrealistic can one get. But that's me. I presume your therapist means well and she trying to be encouraging. Could you tell her what is helpful to you? Especially if there are any novels, nonfiction, self help book that would be beneficial. In my over 20s years of therapy with different pdocs, therapists not one of them eve suggested any books to read, I love reading novels, nonfiction, Now I am reading "The Green Man" by Kingsley Amis" A sexy, with ghost story, Oh did I meanion it was sexy? LOL

Well, my therapist is more idealistic than I am, so I can understand why she's drawn to novels about the "triumphant woman", haha.

The thing is...books. My husband and I own around 60,000 books. Don't get me wrong, I think it is such a sweet gesture that my T left the book for me to read in her absence. It's just...well...like giving Willy Wonka a box of See's candy
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 06:16 AM
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Do you feel offended or hurt when someone does not share your taste in books or says they don't care for a book you enjoyed?
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 07:45 AM
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Do you feel offended or hurt when someone does not share your taste in books or says they don't care for a book you enjoyed?

There's a difference between someone having read the same book I read and someone giving me a book to read. The emphasis here is not on the book; it's about the giving.
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 08:22 AM
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There's a difference between someone having read the same book I read and someone giving me a book to read. The emphasis here is not on the book; it's about the giving.
Bloody hell. Just tell T you aporiciate the gesture but like to browse for your own books.
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 09:33 AM
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Bloody hell. Just tell T you aporiciate the gesture but like to browse for your own books.

Bloody hell, indeed.
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 10:12 AM
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There's a difference between someone having read the same book I read and someone giving me a book to read. The emphasis here is not on the book; it's about the giving.
Okay, but same question. Do you (or would you) feel hurt if someone did not care for the book you gave them, and perhaps would not want you to give them more books?

The reason I am asking is, for you, to perhaps look at the different possible scenarios. 1. If you would feel hurt in a reverse situation yourself (because books are so important to you), maybe you are projecting your own feelings onto the therapist and make assumptions. 2. If you would not be hurt, maybe she (and many other people, as was hinted in this thread) would not be offended at all either. In either case, I personally would look at this as accepting or rejecting a form of treatment that she is offering - isn't that the point, why she is giving you the books, because she thinks they are somehow relevant to your psychological situations and might show a way out? So, by accepting all the books and being positive about them is kinda like taking a medication that does not work at all, even more, it has undesirable side effects, to not hurt the provider's feelings. I know that I am a bit too cold/clinical the way I discuss this, but isn't it sort of the reality of a therapy situation?
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 01:02 PM
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Okay, but same question. Do you (or would you) feel hurt if someone did not care for the book you gave them, and perhaps would not want you to give them more books?

The reason I am asking is, for you, to perhaps look at the different possible scenarios. 1. If you would feel hurt in a reverse situation yourself (because books are so important to you), maybe you are projecting your own feelings onto the therapist and make assumptions. 2. If you would not be hurt, maybe she (and many other people, as was hinted in this thread) would not be offended at all either. In either case, I personally would look at this as accepting or rejecting a form of treatment that she is offering - isn't that the point, why she is giving you the books, because she thinks they are somehow relevant to your psychological situations and might show a way out? So, by accepting all the books and being positive about them is kinda like taking a medication that does not work at all, even more, it has undesirable side effects, to not hurt the provider's feelings. I know that I am a bit too cold/clinical the way I discuss this, but isn't it sort of the reality of a therapy situation?

It definitely could be. I think I posted somewhere on this thread that the books and how I feel about them/perceive them would make for interesting discussion in a session.
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Old Oct 07, 2019, 08:57 PM
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So I returned the book to T, thanked her very sincerely for having left it for me while she was away (I genuinely appreciated that, it was very touching). She asked me how I liked it; the words that came out of my mouth were, "It's a bit girly for me." She did actually look, for a moment, hurt? Surprised?

She said, "I didn't much like it overall, either. I left it for you because I thought you'd enjoy the descriptive scenes and the wonderful transformation the woman goes through."

I nodded and told her that I wonder, myself, why I tend toward books that are from a heavily masculine perspective, and quite intense, serious. In other words, it's difficult for me to be light and airy, even to relax. A book has to challenge me.

That led to some talk about how have not been relaxing lately (or allowing myself to sleep much, which is a dumb thing to do with bipolar disorder). We talked about a good relaxation exercise I can use to relax my body. I will use it, too.

I really do have a problem (big one) with enjoying, relaxing, having fun. I want to discuss that more in therapy.

The poor thing probably won't loan me any more books - or she'll keep trying to. Ah, well...such is life. Thank you all for your wonderful input!
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