Couch 248: Curiouser and Curiouser

InkyBooky · 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by comrademoomoo

But that is my point - even supposedly reputable news sources spread misinformation either by error or hidden agenda. Presenting both sides of an argument as balanced news reporting is actually an example of creating news which is based on opinion rather than simply presenting fact. It involves a kind of insidious bias which feeds polarisation, affords value to both sides, explores argument rather fact. As I said, I am not supporting tabloid journalism and I agree that people need to consider the bias of the source - but even your examples of neutrality do not qualify as such. Neutrality doesn't mean presenting argument A alongside argument B, it means sidestepping argument altogether and unfortunately, most people don't want dry fact. They (we) want something instructive which chimes with their (our) approach to information.

Agreed. At the core I think my point is the same as yours. To be aware that media is biased in some form and we should educate ourselves about that and be very mindful of that. And more specifically that there is a big difference between biased yet credible (fact based) news and biased yet non-credible news (ie: with little to no basis in fact).

The only reason I commented in the first place was to point out that the source in question is absolutely a tabloid and not in any way a source of credible fact-based information (regardless of the bias). If you love reading that kind of tabloid stuff and wild opinion is your jam (whether it skews left or right) then more power to ya. I've heard that the NY Post has an outstanding horoscope section.

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ScarletPimpernel · May 19, 2024 at 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LonesomeTonight

Ugh, I'm sorry, Scarlet. Maybe anxiety? Hope you feel better soon and can get the boxes done. Do you have to be out today?

Thanks LT. Vomiting stopped that morning. L thinks it was just my body literally and figuratively getting stuff out. I think it was a diabetic med tbh.

Move is almost done. One more run to get left over things. We're two nights here and both H and I haven't had nightmares about my sister.

Dogs are adjusting pretty well. They know where their pee pads are and where water is. The poor puppy though learned what a screen door is last night. She ran into it 6 times in a row.

It's a lot of work organizing and unpacking. I have the kitchen almost done. But I don't have any other room started. We're going stinky for right now.

Oh and it's so nice being in a place that allows smoking. Last place didn't allow it even though I did it for 2 years.

Last thing that really sucked. I fell over the tv counters equipment yesterday. Banged up my knee and elbow really bad. Just bumps, scratches and bruises.

comrademoomoo · May 19, 2024 at 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by InkyBooky

Agreed. At the core I think my point is the same as yours. To be aware that media is biased in some form and we should educate ourselves about that and be very mindful of that. And more specifically that there is a big difference between biased yet credible (fact based) news and biased yet non-credible news (ie: with little to no basis in fact).

The only reason I commented in the first place was to point out that the source in question is absolutely a tabloid and not in any way a source of credible fact-based information (regardless of the bias). If you love reading that kind of tabloid stuff and wild opinion is your jam (whether it skews left or right) then more power to ya. I've heard that the NY Post has an outstanding horoscope section.

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I think you might be misinterpreting my intention and stance. I don't enjoy tabloid reading and I don't think it advances our understanding. I agree that such news sources are unreliable and dangerous. However, I think that reliability in news is more nuanced than credible vs uncredible source. Anyway, must dash. My moon is rising in Aries and it's playing havoc with my ascending Uranus (this one is for you, una).

Lemoncake · 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by unaluna

The tone of the article was very much "gotcha!" Facts should speak for themselves. I don't like a news article to sound like it is rushing to a conclusion, skipping over a fact or two, and this one definitely gave me that impression.

I’ve personally followed the Covid story for a long time, so wouldn’t rely on the general newspapers, but posted the article because it was recently retweeted by Elon Musk who has a huge following on Twitter. The NIH admitting to gain of function research is not new information, but it meant that it gained greater visibility because of Mr Musk.

For Covid information I followed Jikkyleaks, all the risks.com (Jonathan wiseman). Arron Siri (the lawyer who sued the FDA for access to the Pfizer documents) for the group PHMPT.

PHMPT
Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency - Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency

React 19 for the largest database of studies
Published Science Database - React19

Also other doctors like Angus Dalgleish and Masanori Fukushima who had spent more time in research than I had been alive.

I also always liked the Metro, because it would publish Horoscopes. We would read them in class in year 11. Even the Evening Standard had them. I’m a Virgo, but not sure what my rising and moon status is .

InkyBooky · 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by comrademoomoo

I think you might be misinterpreting my intention and stance. I don't enjoy tabloid reading and I don't think it advances our understanding. I agree that such news sources are unreliable and dangerous. However, I think that reliability in news is more nuanced than credible vs uncredible source. Anyway, must dash. My moon is rising in Aries and it's playing havoc with my ascending Uranus (this one is for you, una).

I understand your stance and agree. Of course there is nuance within the human tendency/construct of bias, particularly as it relates to media consumption and creation.

However, I personally don't think there is much nuance to be found in the following statement: The NY Post is a right wing tabloid and generally considered to be an unreliable news source. Period.

Whether there is or ever can be such a thing as a completely reliable news source is nuanced and complicated. I don't claim to know the answer, so I do my best to aggregate news from a variety of sources that I personally find to be credible, if not biased. Like I said, I'm aware that the sources I tend to read range from leaning neutral to leaning left.

Curious, where do you get your news if no source can be trusted because all sources contain bias?

I don't follow horoscopes, but yours sounds serious. Best of luck to you.

comrademoomoo · May 19, 2024 at 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by InkyBooky

I understand your stance and agree. Of course there is nuance within the human tendency/construct of bias, particularly as it relates to media consumption and creation.

However, I personally don't think there is much nuance to be found in the following statement: The NY Post is a right wing tabloid and generally considered to be an unreliable source of information. Period.

I don't follow horoscopes, but yours sounds serious. Best of luck to you.

I am not sure how to say this more clearly: I am not defending the NY Post or any other tabloid news. It's obviously unreliable, there is no interesting debate to be had on that point.

unaluna · May 19, 2024 at 01:32 PM

Lemon - well, virgo. Im aquarius. How have we managed to stay friends for this long?!

Also, i am in my twilight years, so i am way to tired to join you in your stance now, altho perhaps 50 years ago we would have been shoulder to shoulder in fighting to discover the truth.

InkyBooky · May 19, 2024 at 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by comrademoomoo

I am not sure how to say this more clearly: I am not defending the NY Post or any other tabloid news. It's obviously unreliable, there is no interesting debate to be had on that point.

Sorry, I edited my post before you replied. Then it sounds like we agree on the points that media is biased and the NY Post is trash! Done and done.

InkyBooky · May 19, 2024 at 02:07 PM

Don't know if this link will work but here is a pic from a recent hike I took in the Bay Area.

Back to a mental health topic for the couch. I've found that hiking or even just being outdoors is very helpful for my mood. It is rather hot and humid where I am today but I'm heading out for a bike ride now.

stopdog · May 19, 2024 at 02:27 PM

It is 92F here today - the humidity is not super high for here -but it is a bit unnatural to be this hot in May. Sadly, in the swampiness of the area I live, if you didn't go out because of humidity - you would be huddled inside year round. I have been emptying the portable dehumidifiers more than we usually have to do in spring.

Lemoncake · May 19, 2024 at 03:09 PM

Non controversial: This is one of my favourite songs. Misty blue .

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I’m grateful I was exposed to good music through my very first boss.

unaluna · May 19, 2024 at 03:31 PM

I dont think they converted the AC's here yet. Mine of course is on cool all year round or else i would be unalive already. But it is hot today. Real feel in the 90s.

stopdog · May 19, 2024 at 04:00 PM

The cat is thrilled with the weather and stays out all night or asleep on the screened in porch in his cat tree - the dogs want to go for their walk at their usual time which is in the heat of the day/sun. So now is the time I turn to two dog walks - their longer walk in the morning or after sunset and a poop walk at 4:30 because they are complete creatures of habit and come and poke me to take them. The allergy index is high with mold and grass so everyone is walking around with sinus headaches and hacking and sneezing and goo. Graduation will sound like being in a sanatorium.

ArtieTheSequal · May 19, 2024 at 05:01 PM

It's 89F here right now. Not too bad. We will be in the 100's soon enough!

unaluna · May 19, 2024 at 05:05 PM

My poop walk is usually first thing in the morning.

(You know SD put it out there just to bait me.)

Lemoncake · 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by unaluna

Lemon - well, virgo. Im aquarius. How have we managed to stay friends for this long?!

Also, i am in my twilight years, so i am way to tired to join you in your stance now, altho perhaps 50 years ago we would have been shoulder to shoulder in fighting to discover the truth.

You’re air and I’m earth. It works because it’s long distance and we’re not lovers. Plus we both like Star Trek. Chris pine makes everything better.

“Aquarius and Virgo should try to strike a balance between Aquarius’ boundary-breaking impulses and Virgo’s desire to set strong boundaries. Virgo might find Aquarius unrealistic and Aquarius may find Virgo too rigid. Compromise and respect are key in this relationship.”

Growing up and getting older, I just feel less willing to stay silent when I previously would have done so.

I know I can be rigid, stubborn, too in my own head or a Ice Queen.

A quote from Reddit: “I like virgos, but don't ever cross them. Some of them are ruthless. They are more logical than emotional and this might be why some people can't deal with them. 🫠”

My bestie is an Aries like my sister.. my other sister is also very compatible with me.

I’ve never met a nice Scorpio.

ArtieTheSequal · May 19, 2024 at 05:49 PM

I'm cancer and h is aquarius, water and air, opposites in every way.
I was always more compatible with L (taurus) water and earth, which explains a lot, I guess.

Lemoncake · May 19, 2024 at 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtieTheSequal

I'm cancer and h is aquarius, water and air, opposites in every way.
I was always more compatible with L (taurus) water and earth, which explains a lot, I guess.

You and H are 53% compatible.
You and L 85% compatible.

Disclaimer: just for fun.

Taurus and Cancer Compatibility 2024 | Love Calculator

Lemoncake · May 19, 2024 at 05:58 PM

Using the same calculator: Una and I are 60%.

LonesomeTonight · May 19, 2024 at 06:03 PM

I'm Aquarius (mostly fits me), and H is a Scorpio, as is my mom (yeah, I know, paging Dr. Freud). Dr. T is a Taurus, and in googling, yeah, that totally fits. From the first result: "They can be stubborn, bull-headed, and set in their ways, but they are also great listeners and very dependable." He should put that on his website.

ETA: Using calculator, only 48% for me and H. (58% with Dr. T). And 85% for H (or my mom) and Dr. T!

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unaluna Elder Harridan x-hankster Member Since Jun 2011 Location: Milan/Michigan Posts: 40,644 (SuperPoster!) 13 68k hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 01:32 PM #347 Lemon - well, virgo. Im aquarius. How have we managed to stay friends for this long?! Also, i am in my twilight years, so i am way to tired to join you in your stance now, altho perhaps 50 years ago we would have been shoulder to shoulder in fighting to discover the truth.

InkyBooky Member Member Since Sep 2018 Location: U.S. Posts: 182 6 225 hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 02:07 PM #349 Don't know if this link will work but here is a pic from a recent hike I took in the Bay Area. Back to a mental health topic for the couch. I've found that hiking or even just being outdoors is very helpful for my mood. It is rather hot and humid where I am today but I'm heading out for a bike ride now.

Lemoncake Roses are falling. Member Since May 2017 Location: Seattle. Posts: 9,920 (SuperPoster!) 7 10.4k hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 03:09 PM #351 Non controversial: This is one of my favourite songs. Misty blue . Unsupported browser I’m grateful I was exposed to good music through my very first boss. __________________

unaluna Elder Harridan x-hankster Member Since Jun 2011 Location: Milan/Michigan Posts: 40,644 (SuperPoster!) 13 68k hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 03:31 PM #352 I dont think they converted the AC's here yet. Mine of course is on cool all year round or else i would be unalive already. But it is hot today. Real feel in the 90s.

ArtieTheSequal Writing my way through... Member Since Feb 2020 Location: In the desert of my soul Posts: 7,526 (SuperPoster!) 4 5,953 hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 05:01 PM #354 It's 89F here right now. Not too bad. We will be in the 100's soon enough!

unaluna Elder Harridan x-hankster Member Since Jun 2011 Location: Milan/Michigan Posts: 40,644 (SuperPoster!) 13 68k hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 05:05 PM #355 My poop walk is usually first thing in the morning. (You know SD put it out there just to bait me.)

ArtieTheSequal Writing my way through... Member Since Feb 2020 Location: In the desert of my soul Posts: 7,526 (SuperPoster!) 4 5,953 hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 05:49 PM #357 I'm cancer and h is aquarius, water and air, opposites in every way. I was always more compatible with L (taurus) water and earth, which explains a lot, I guess.

Lemoncake Roses are falling. Member Since May 2017 Location: Seattle. Posts: 9,920 (SuperPoster!) 7 10.4k hugs given	May 19, 2024 at 05:58 PM #359 Using the same calculator: Una and I are 60%. __________________