Do you Know Someone Like This?

Aggressive narcissism

1. Glibness/superficial charm
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth
3. Pathological lying
4. Cunning/manipulative
5. Lack of remorse or guilt
6. Emotionally shallow
7. Callous/lack of empathy
8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2Socially deviant lifestyle

1. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
2. Parasitic lifestyle
3. Poor behavioral control
4. Promiscuous sexual behavior
5. Lack of realistic, long-term goals
6. Impulsiveness
7. Irresponsibility
8. Juvenile delinquency
9. Early behavioral problems
10. Revocation of conditional release

Traits not correlated with either factor

1. Many short-term marital relationships
2. Criminal versatility

If you do, you are most likely dealing with a psychopath or a condition now known as Antisocial Personality Disorder. If you have any questions or want to talk about your situation, post here or send me a pm.

Thankfully, I do not.

Yes...

I used to call him Dad.

Now I call him MOTHER ******.

Well....it used to be true.

A brother of mine.....
Last time I received a call from him, he was homeless and in need of money. Entire family turned back on him. I sent him what money I could.

Though I despise his conduct, he is still my brother and I love him. Sent him money telling him that I do NOT expect repayment and wished him the best....but also told him it was the last time I could help as I was in transition, myself.
Haven't heard from him in over a year now.

*Looks at calendar*.....He should be contacting me in another couple months, though, (...bout that time of his cycle).

Shangrala

Ummm. George W. Bush? lol Just kidding. (It's just a joke and I am just playing on a stereotype of the man.)

TheByzantine: Yep, you are lucky! Elysium: Ew, your dad ...hope you hid a lot and hope he and his destruction no longer have an impact on your life. Shangrala: I hope you do not get that phonecall from your brother. Ascension: Good answer but I really think he has a lot of these traits...both him and Donald Rumsfeld, evil just oozes off of that man.

My second eldest son, he is now in prison aged 19 (thankfully he is nothing like my other children).....

Any idea on what caused him to be this way ?

Seem right on the money, Ascension....lol.

People with these kinds of acute psycho social deviation are often times born with these traits. More often a product of nature then nurture, though not always.

Tishie! Someone wants my feedback & resources! I can answer your question & site my source! Get ready to dump any guilt you may have been lugging around. This illness is a result of the physical brain matter being normal but the way the brain functions is different than other people's brains. During a thermal scan of the brain activity psychopath's brain's bypass the frontal lobe where emotions are usually processed. As a result, they do not feel fear, love, empathy, shame or remorse. They do feel anger, frustration &bordom. Dr. Hare, formost authority on this has studied this for over 20 years. His most revealing tests involve hooking up test subjects to a brain scan machine along with a control group. The subjects then viewed photos that ranged from friendly to horrifically disturbing. The experiments showed the control groups scans as appropriately responsive. The disturbed mind showed no change or flatline. Dr. Hare was quoted as saying that these brain patterns were not human. Tish pm me for info links.

He is having anger course in prison. He fits all of the above. I love him but despair of him.

I know several people with a few of these traits but nobody with all of them. I think we are all prone to being a little selfish/sadistic/lack of empathy sometimes depending on our mood, circumstances etc... I like to think people are generally good. Maybe that's naive. But luckily I'm only 22 so I get a pass haha

I remember seeing a special on this topic. I was very surprised to learn that the show supported what you said regarding scans of their brains. They scanned several serial killers and in particular Charles Manson and yes found they were lacking the specific emotional part of the brain, responsible for emotions like compassion and empathy. This new finding is a little scary though because it proves that criminals like this or people who clearly have this problem -can't be rehabilitated. All they can do is keep them out of trouble. No amount of therapy will make them realize they were wrong for what they did because they lack that emotional capacity to feel those emotions. This is very scary.

Yes I do know someone who fits alot of those character traits.

Unfortunately, I have known, and been exploited by, a couple of people who fit the description very closely. Now, I am (I hope) more discerning in whom I place my trust but it's hard to be careful if, like me, you are eager to please everyone.

Great post.

yeah my ex... my dad.....
but my ex's mom she was the best manipulator i have ever met.

Remember that freeloader I told you to kick out of your apartment? The description above describes the one I got rid of to a T. I'm serious. God was watching over me back then.

Thanks for the responses. It is surely interesting and hard to wrap your mind around. I am glad these people only make up 4% of the male population and 1% of females. I hope this helps someone on here. To be honest, I was hoping that someone in a current relationship with one of these people. That is why I posted it in the relationship's forum instead of the APD website under personality place. But you know what, I am learning something unexpected on my own. I am starting to see that women in great distress who are romantically involved with a psychopath, are so brainwashed and taken in by their charm, that even if they reach out for help, cannot accept this as a possibility for consideration.Almost forgot to site drhare.org for the list at the begining of this thread. For those that are interested, there really is a ton of enlightening infoout there. I hope I was able to at least help at least help one person understand that the hell they are/were going through isn't/ wasn't about them.

Yes, I ONCE knew someone like that - became involved with him, and wound up losing everything and sleeping in my car. It's not worth it, no matter how charming they may be. As for short-term marital relationships - I am guilty, and I had some of the other traits when I was younger, but I think that had more to do with my character "under the influence" than with who I really am.

Yep, just got sauted, seared and charred by the factor one description. It's good to watch someone while . . . they're watching you!!!!!

Here is the URL for people who have a psychopath in their life. The forums look a lot like ours but deal exclusively with psychopathy. They have forums for people who have a psychopath in the family, one for people who were raised by a psychopath, people who work for a psychopathic boss &a lot more. Here it is: psychopath-research.com. I hope this helps!

I am sad to say I do know one person who meets all criteria for antisocial psychopath. Male 38 yrs old charming, lies, is never at fault,histrionic, dramatic, grandiose, the saddest part is that he is my stepson. He has mistreated his Father by stealing, verbally abusing, and now refuses to see his dad. It is a heartbreaking situation and I honestly dont see it coming to an end. My husband is heartsick over the loss of any kind of a relationship with his son. I have seen him cry and mourn the loss for too long and I have no clue of what to do for either one of them. Dr Phil state that this family needs a hero many time and this one needs one desperately. What can be done any suggestions ?

Honest to God, the only reason I was able to get rid of him so quickly and so successfully, was because I had formerly been in government law enformcement and at that time I was a computer tech. So, I really didn't seem to be all that dangerous. But my instincts were still working and the longer I was around him, the more concerned I got. So I started planning my actions. I kept everything hid from him and did nothing that was going to set him off, keeping him confident that I still trusted him until the time was right to take action. The police took him away, I threw all of his stuff outside in the snow, changed all the locks, had the locks and ignition changed on my van, notified the daycare that he was not to be near my son (had a order of protection served so that they could not let him near my son) you name it, I did it. I make sure the police knew he owned a gun. The only glitch was when he was arrested, he took my cell phone with him. I had to go prove it was mine by showing them a bill so I could retrieve it.

It wasn't by far anywhere near this easy. He kept coming back again and again. He didn't know when to quit. The police got to know us well. Finally he quit coming around, I think he found someone else to leach to.

Yup, Vicky, sounds like all the stories on that web site I wrote about. Most of these people stalk. Or they just show up after you are sure they are out of your life. One thing that is stressed a lot is the no contact rule. To just not react at atempts of his or her to engage you. I was lucky...mine just moves on to the next victim.

Okay, you must think I'm nuts. I saw HIM (my ex) this evening. I had a gift certificate for Applebees and took him out to dinner. After dinner, he came home with me and helped me install a new antivirus program on my laptop. He worked on my computer for about an hour-and-a-half. Just took over doing this and that, deleting and adding items. When I told him I wanted to reinstall my internet provider's tried and proven security system, he told me not to do it, that he had better ideas. I called WOW anyway and asked about reinstalling the security system. During my conversation with the service rep on the other end of the line, my ex kept shoving notes he'd written under my nose for me to ask this question and that question. He completely tried to take over and dominate me every step of the way. After I hung up the phone he still kept trying to tell me what to do with my computer to the point of beginning to argue with me. I told him I felt he was not respecting my boundaries and if he would please stop. Well, he wouldn't. He just kept on arguing with me and making it sound as if I was in the wrong for wanting a little peace and quiet while talking to someone on the phone about my computer. I nicely asked my ex to leave. Told him there was really nothing to be gained by arguing and that I felt he didn't respect my feelings and was unnecessarily domineering and demanding. Of course he would not acknowledge any responsibility for his domineering behavior, let alone apologize. But he sure made me feel like a creton.

So to answer your question, "Do you know someone like this?" I DO, AND I'M STUPID FOR LETTING THIS GO ON. MAYBE THIS IS THE EYE-OPENER I NEED AND FINALLY GOT.

Peacequest

Hey peacequest. You are not stupid. No one is immune to the charms of a psychopath except someone who's had their life distroyed by one of these creatures. They do not listen to others or respect boundaries. The only rules they live by are their own. The only time they will APPEAR to be cooperative, is to gain your trust. They will probe you for your confidence so they can beat you with it and then brainwash you. You can't solve this alone...you need lots of emotional support...and tissues and safe shoulders to cry on. It is difficult to find support because this type of creature is rare, except in prison where the percentages go up dramatically. They fool everyone: doctors, lawyers, guards, the social security administration, family, employers, child protective services, and especially their spouses. And then there are the mental health workers. Mental health workers because they receive very little training unless they seek out and study this as a specialty. They will not seek treatment on their own.