[coralproper]

I just thought I would share a little piece of info pumped into my brain as a child......

I was taught many things at a young age that most would not expect a child to be learning......anyway it started like this..when I was being taught, brainwashed or tested....not sure which

War=peace
ignorance=strenght
love=pain

there was more but lets stop here....I did not really fully comprehend the emotion of love at the time I quess, so I had to inquire on the meaning of the last one

it supposedly meant that no matter what love is, it almost always leads to pain...since you eventually lose it

once I understood that....I was able to live....and it also helps in relationships, while it still rings true to me...I accept it or I do not

maybe it will help some feeling pain, it did me

[Vlo1980]

I don't think it is love itself but the lack of love among people that is the root cause of heartache and pain. Love is a perfect bond of union.

"Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails."

[Pomegranate]

I disagree that love = pain. IMO, love is patient, tolerant, kind and supportive. Love is reasonable and reciprocal. Does being in a loving relationship sometimes mean that we feel pain. Most definitely. But not because our loved one intentionally causes us pain over and over again. That's abuse.

There are all kinds of sad things that happen in relationships, sickness, job loss, human frailty, death. Those things can't be avoided. If you truly love someone, yes pain will happen. But if it happens over and over and over again, by the same person, for the same reason, then that person is taking advantage of you, is being abusive to you. You can choose to live with it, but that is your choice. It does not make you a saint. It makes you a person willing to live with someone who does not care about your feelings, your well being, or your self respect. It means you made a choice to be in a relationship where you do all the giving, all the suffering, because back in childhood you learned that love = pain.

I learned that as a child. I reject that idea today. If my partner, my friend, my family member, isn't as capable of giving me support, kindness, tolerance and love - of giving me the good feelings I give to them on a constistent basis, then I choose not to have a relationship with that person. And I certainly do not consider that a "loving" relationship.

Also, in my opinion, ignorance is never strength. The more knowledge one has about anything, the better able you are to make informed decisions and opinions.

War = peace? IMO, sometimes fighting is necessary. There are people who are just so sick that all they want to do is tear you down and try to destroy you. Sometimes one has to fight back, to stick up for yourself. Standing up for yourself, taking care of yourself can sometimes feel like "war" because others will attack you for being good to yourself. And fighting to take care of yourself can lead to peace. You learn to get rid of all the people and things in your life that are dragging you down and keeping you feeling bad about yourself. Then you have peace.

[coralproper]

there were many many more ='s.....but the love one ......say your wife dies, husband, child, friend, dog, etc.... it will lead to pain..even if the relations were definitivly love...I quess, but all can be seen from other light

War is peace....the world has almost always been at war since man dominated...this is a long one so I will not tread there

ignorance is strength, since it gives the strong in mind, power over others niavity or ignorance

there are others...freedom is slavery...do you have a credit card, are you really free...or do you pay tax....flip over a dollar bill and tell me what the eye represents....thats what they did with us

like I said these were not my veiws, but pumped into me...and they make a lot of since at times

but hey, who were they to be so right, atleast thats what the government thought

[Pomegranate]

"ignorance is strength, since it gives the strong in mind, power over others niavity or ignorance"

Won't tackle the others because they belong in a different debate context, maybe political but not PC, I think.

Anyone who would use another's ingnorance against them, to harm them, to hurt them, those kinds of people to do not, in my opinion, posses "strength." Strength is a positve trait to me. When you use what ever talents or material wealth or power of position to harm others that is not strength. In my opinion, that is abuse.

Someone who has true strength, will try to teach those who are naive or uneducated. They will try to help others learn what they need to know or understand to help themselves. Using your strength for other than good is abuse.

[coralproper]

agreed .....but that does not change the fact that ignorance=strength and most (90%) of the worlds money (at the time) was controled by just 3% of its population...we literaly were told family names of a few

[coralproper]

oh......btw

I was quick to rebell to the structure...but thats all I can say about that

I only intended to touch on love...but for claritys sake

they were telling us that the smarter they made us the stronger we would be, and if we were ignorant that this would become a tool for others to use against us

[Stevie Oaksmith]

hmmm...love = pain, i dont think so. Yes, love is and can be very painful indeed. But love is a positive emotion, meant to lift us and is probably the most powerfully changing emotion we can feel. Everyone wants and desires to be loved I do believe, as I read through all these threads this is the common denominator I see.
Remember the John Lennon song Imagine, think of that then think of what a better place this earth would be if we could all just love one another, learn to accept and tolerate differences and just care.
There would be no more war, hate, or crime, no negative emotions.
If you could feel love or hate which emotion makes you feel the best? not hate, it is indeed love.
I do not think it is love = pain but rather the end factor of love, you know what you had and now it is gone, that is where the pain lies, but it is an opposite emotion from love itself.
To love completely, fully and unconditionally you would not feel the pain upon letting go of someone as the love you feel for them would be unconditional, weather they are in your life or not, or weather they loved you back or not. The key word here is unconditional, a difficult if not impossible thing to achieve due to our id, we also want to receive, as humans it is hard for us to only give and never get back.
Love should feel good, be fulfilling, uplifting, powerful, and all encompassing.
Love only = pain when someone who is devaluing/hurting you is telling you they love you, that is not real love to begin with.

[Brightheart]

I think that when you care about anything or anyone, there is a risk of experiencing pain...but that any love felt for another is the most joyous of human emotions and well worth the risk of its potential loss. If you end up hurting it's because you greatly valued it. These feelings give our lives meaning, they make us who we are, they give us reason to face each new day. Love is joy. Loving means risking loss. In loss there may be pain...but true love will endure and remain within you when the pain eventually dissipates.

Well, at least that's my hopeful view on it.

[coralproper]

emotion........is always open to debate/preception, but to me love=pain.....

right now my mind has to deal with the reality of being me though

maybe it is just paranoia......but since they cant read my thoughts, I think they have learn to detect my motion on my brand new pc,(this is real to me as I saw it as I just awoke), and have tried/have to hack me/my/computer, but that is ok....I have nothing to hide, that is why I have made it so easy to watch me....all they have to do is ask

I could reformat...and probably will...with the advanced deltree commands...not keep buying new pcs

but...just so I can remove the bugs...I quess I will have to hide behind proxys.....oh ya, as I said I have nothing to hide.....so

kind regards
all...on this subject

[coralproper]

oh...I understand...the id the ego and the super ego....I learnd about that to at the time...stevie oaksmith...sorry I did not read everyones responce before responding

[coralproper]

I would love to = normal...I can respond no more to this thread

thanks all