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Old May 27, 2007, 01:18 AM
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this episode was about a man killing priests in inquisition fashion. this is the dialog between the profiler and the killer. the killer is holding a gun at the profiler in a church with hostages and explosives on him.

follow the order, Killer then Prolife line.

killer says -Are you afraid to die?
Profiler says -Yes.
-Then you don’t believe in god.
-I haven’t thought about it in a very long time.
-Why?
-Because I’ve seen innocent die, I’ve seen children murdered and their pants, the weak and the helpless slaughtered, without purpose, without sense.
-Then you know the truth, you know that god has abandoned us. That’s why you are afraid to die. Just like I am.
-No. I am afraid to die but not like you. You’re afraid to die because of god’s judgement.
I’ve lost my faith.
-No, you are trying to kill it, but you can’t. I’ve seen your ritual, you are trying to kill your faith with the tools of your believe, because of your pain, because you think god has forsaken you. You think that you can get rid of the pain by slaughtering the faith that’s inside you.

he starts to contort his face in agony and crying.

-He is inside of me, isn’t he? It just won’t die.
-I want to help you.
-I’ve felt this presence all along. Him watching me. Jordan and Sarah watching me.
-God doesn’t want you to kill yourself or anyone else.
-No. No… but I have to. Because… I can’t… kill him.

the killer shots himself behind the profiler-

later at home, the profiler talking to his wife:

-I was just thinking on the plane of this man. I felt how human he was. So inedited by pain, so fragmented by grief, it lead him to surrender his humanity.
-I can’t stop people, we can’t lose our faith either.
-I am going to tell Jordan (their baby ) that bad things happen, and even though the bird die and upset her, we have to balance sadness with a sense of hope and faith.

this was very disturbing scene, never thought of being touched again by a scene. i guess, people dont do bad things for no reason or because they want to. thats what people need to understand sometimes.

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Old May 27, 2007, 10:28 AM
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i guess, people dont do bad things for no reason or because they want to. thats what people need to understand sometimes.

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I agree with that statement. Everything that people do has a reason or a function. Not that it excuses violence and other hurtful actions. A lot of behavior is harmful to the person who does it and to others, but at the time it must have made sense to the person who did it. If we can remember that, maybe it will help us to understand the world and why people do the things they do just a little bit more. There is no excuse for acting out in violence. I want to make sure that is clear. But we can recognize that it doesn't just happen for no reason at all, whether the reason would make sense to anybody else or not.

How could we help people who would commit violence to understand that even though it makes sense to them right now to do that, there are other ways to get whatever it is that they need, and what they want to do is not the way to go about it?
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Old May 27, 2007, 10:35 AM
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wow i found the video! this is way better. a memorable scene. this is all about the scene and its implications.

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Old May 31, 2007, 04:50 AM
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Violence acts, in its many forms, has psychological or and physiological reasons. many deeds of continued violence, specially serial criminals, are driven from pyschological or physiological anomalies or predispositions, and it happens when it gets into overload (psychological). its not solely because some people need to make statments and call attention to something that they do it, although its not the right way has you mentioned. for the other cases, they can not help it, its out of their control, and need guidance. others just do violence because they simply want to, have been educated into that and want to be important in their comunity or a certain group.

sexoholics have an organic addiction, its not crime only if they start raping people right, but they are addicted to the adrenaline shoots they get from sex, not just having sex by itself, it's the shoots. Post traumatic stress or obssessive compulsive bahaviors can trigger violence, as a self protectant mechanism. a person who has high levels of adrenaline released in the body are more predisposed to do it also. Sexual sadists only derive pleasure in harming other people, although it might be umcomprehensable to normal people, its their normal conditon. and they are void of all normal human feelings, cant feel sorry, regret, remorse, love, attraction... again, the biology in action, a certain part of the brain, not to get technical, that triggers emotions and spread it, releasing it in chemical messengers all over the brain, exciting it. So those subjects have an anomaly on that, they might want to feel something and push it, but they cant. so they derived pleasure in other way...
Bio-psycho-social is the key. Biology turns them into a weapon, psychology targets it and social interactivity pulls the trigger.

back to the topic here in question, of course that man didnt have to comit violence, it was just a radical way to undermined his deep feelings of greif, trying to kill his faith. but when the ends breaks loose, and his state is unveiled, although he have done bad things in the process, you must still feel sorry for the guy, or you're not human. that was nasty and disturbing. it became aware to me, that i still have some submerged inside, because i felt sorry for "the possibility" of such scene. still, i havent much left...

see the video. its fictional, but yet no that fictional. a lot of fiction is based on reality, and thats a perfect possibility for the "real world", with 6 billion on the planet that must happen somewhere. alike this.

anyhow its a great scene.
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Old Aug 10, 2007, 12:11 AM
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I'm sorry, I didn't read your post, but I loved watching this series and miss the reruns (for there are no other new ones) with "Frank Black" and the others.
I hope the series comes back to our "rerun channels".
Thanks for the access video, *trigger - violence* Impressive dramatic dialog taken from Millenium S1 ep 6
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