Good and Bad Karma

Sorry, I thought seeing the meaning was helpful to you. You said you felt better and things have improved for you.
I thought this philosophy of karma is something that gives you meaning and hope.

I personally believe that babies are born innocent.

I see what you meant now.

I do feel better because all good things have been happening lately, so thank you. It does give me hope because I was told that I've overcome negative karma and that all good things are coming now.

I really hope it will happen! :-)

Aww, thanks!!

(((Golden Eve))) I hope it exists for those who have done wrong. Like you, that doesn't provide much relief for the pain that was inflicted.

I very much know what you mean! One would hope that it comes back to them.....

I have been at the brunt of poor treatment more times than I'd like to even think about. And one is left with so much anger and rage over being mistreated and/or stomped upon. I know this feeling all too well.

My ex fiance had told me when we broke up that he loved his other ex more than me. This is AFTER I had saved him from homelessness TWICE, AND supported him financially for four months, taking great care of him while he was sick the whole time. It burned me SO badly and cut me deeply like you wouldn't believe. I gave him all of my love, my whole heart, I uprooted my life for him and gave him everything, and that's what I got in return? I sure as heck hope that his negative karma comes back to bite him. That is not how you treat people that you claimed to have loved. That is not love -- that is pure hatred.

I really hope it does exist because he deserves to be bitten and hard. I can only let go of all of that pain, in knowing I am now happy in a far better relationship and he is probably still miserable. Perhaps that's karma by itself.

I am hoping for Karma.

Even if it doesn't exist (which is a good thing in my opinion), don't panic. Think about it, people shouldn't suffer cause they're "bad", they should be forced to become good or at least non-threatening. I am a good person.

I cannot post my account of a person I used to know, but they said I am suffering cause of my karma. That's pure nonsense. I am doing good and I always wanted to do good and even make a living out of doing good and EVEN dedicating my life as a scientist-saint-preacher. I wanted to educate people about science, sowing the seeds of science in people who are blindfolded by ignorance, while practicing medicine and researching on medical sciences , but due to my 'karma' I am unable to do that. Where's the logic in that?


I cannot disprove karma,but I strongly don't think it exists. I would have posted this earlier but I see that the concept of karma gives you hope. It's perfectly fine to believe what you want. I am from India. A lot of good people I know (some are doctors) believe in karma and religion and all that, I am just an odd person. I don't think it's moral for a person to suffer cause they caused suffering, they should LEARN that what did was wrong and then improve their mistake. Of course, that's my concept of karma, and it's just a hypothetical non-spontaneous process (i.e. it doesn't exist and it's unnatural) but that's how it should have been.

I am listening to the Unforgiven II by Metallica.

What I've felt, what I've known

Sick and tired, I stand alone

Could you be there,

'cause I'm the one who waits for you

Or are you unforgiven too?

So nicely written!

It is my understanding that if karma does not catch up to someone in this lifetime, then they will somehow suffer in the next lifetime until they learn the lesson they are supposed to overcome. One has to believe in reincarnation of souls and that souls can live many lifetimes in order to believe in karmic action and souls collecting both good and bad karma.

Unfortunately, those who are "bad" don't necessarily learn to be better people.

True g_e. And God, or The Universe, or whatever title you'd like to give to it, is merciful too - because we have been given forever to learn these lessons :-) But, of course, the sooner the better for everyone.

There's a certain doctrine that says; it's 'wrong view' to believe that 'there is no fruit or result of good or bad actions'. I think that's absolutely correct.

Thanks. I am not good at communication (at least that's what I believe) so I appreciate your compliment.

I am gonna try to explain my situation and how, in my experience, it disproves karma.

Okay, if I am suffering right now, I did something bad in my past life. But why in the hell should I, assuming I lived before this life, be prevented to do something so heroic and godly? So I cannot get a job I love BECAUSE I was a bad person? This makes me feel guilty and fall into depression. Why would be bad things happening to a currently good person? Wouldn't it be ironic?

So it's a no-no for both parties. I cannot enjoy and they cannot be relieved. On the other hand, the people who were supposedly good in their past life now have turned evil and are wealthy businessmen and all, while I am suffering. Why this cycle? What kind of vicious monster would create this system?

I am gonna stick with science cause it's less scary and more believable. But of course, I am not gonna call you names or think you're bad for your beliefs. I just wanted to share my two cents and that you shouldn't fall into depression IF karma doesn't exist. If it does, I would love to kill myself in the womb in my every life. See how they like it.

"This wasn't your fault"
"That's the point."
"I did everything right, she died anyway."
"You know he's making an impossible choice, he just doesn't want to live in pain."
"LIFE IS PAIN. I wake up every morning, I am in pain, I go to work in pain. You know how many times I just gave up, how many times I thought about ending it?"

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I used to have a gift, but nature itself took away it from me. Why was I given it in the first place? Karma and all that nonsense doesn't make sense.

I know, I definitely understand all the questions and heartaches, I have my own questions too. But it all falls by the wayside when I understand - and I know people have their own views about this, and that's fine - that this life you're experiencing now, isn't actually the beginning or the end, it never was. There's a continuous cycle of birth, death & rebirth, in a multitude of different forms, of spiritual growth, until you can finally liberate yourself from the cycle once and for all - if you so choose. I'm certain that's the case, having looked into it.

Whatever, though, sending out hugs to you TLC. It's a tough path all right.

Of course you should believe what works best for you! I would never push my own beliefs on someone. And if it makes you fall into a depression? By all means, then don't believe in it and stick to your own belief system. Whatever works best.

I just happen to believe in it, and I don't believe there's any way to prove or disprove it.

For the record to anyone reading, I simply believed that I was repeatedly abused because I must have abused people in a past lifetime. A past life regression told me this, and I believed it at the time.

Now that may not be true, but it sure seemed true given the very odd and repetitive nature of my abuse from multiple bosses and multiple, countless men.

I have broken that abuse pattern now, so there is hope if anyone else is stuck in a pattern of abuse. I learned the lesson I was supposed to learn, which is discernment. And I learned that lesson after my last abusive relationship. I asked my therapist to work with me and teach me how to spot abusive people so that I would never enter another abusive relationship again. I am now happy and content. I was told by a medium recently that I had gotten past my negative karma. And I believed her as well. She said I learned the lesson I was meant to learn -- which is the karmic leasson.

No one else has to believe this is true, especially if it is upsetting to them. I just happen to believe in it given my own personal history and experience.

If we all viewed difficulties as challenges to overcome so that we learn and grow emotionally, mentally and spiritually, then it doesn't have to be about negative karma or anything of the like. It can just simply be -- this is the hand I was dealt, and this is what I must overcome and then learn from the experiences I have.

I much prefer this earthly life cause I believe it's the only one... but to each his own I guess.

The only concern I see in believing such way is that it takes away our personal responsibility for our own actions and takes away our own free will and puts us in a victim mode and victim mentality

Putting oneself into unpleasant situation, particularly choosing abusive partners, often stems from multiple issues such as choosing unhealthy patterns because they are familiar, often stemming from childhood. It takes some work to learn that and make better choices.

If you believe it’s justcoming from previous lives, then there is never any need to improve our ability to make good choices. It stunts our growth.

If you find it helpful to believe otherwise it’s of course all right, just be careful about giving too much power to supernatural forces over your own ability to make smarter choices.

The point I was trying to make is that I never learned the karmic lesson of discernment and therefore kept repeating the same abuse patterns. I finally broke the pattern because I learned the lesson and broke it myself. The karmic law is that the lesson will keep repeating itself and presenting itself until you finally overcome it.

I guess I just don’t understand how choosing to get into relationships with unsuitable partners is caused by karma rather than by our own choices. It’s ok though. I think I just don’t get what is it to do with karma. Unless one is forced to get involved with these people, it’s a choice. It’s ok. It’s just my opinion. Just difference of opinions.

The belief in karma led to the caste system in India. Those in the lower castes were treated like slaves because they were told they had been bad in past lives. And there was no opportunity to move up out of your caste. You just had to be good and hope to be born into a higher one in the next life. It led to major discrimination and inequality. That's the issue I have with it.

However, golden if you believe you can transcend your bad karma in this life, then I can see how it would be helpful to you.

Thank you. Although just because people turned a concept into something that discriminated against a class of people simply makes those people wrong not the concept itself. But I can see why people wouldn’t like it.

Yes, I understand the point you're making divine1966, and it's a good point, but I actually see it the opposite way.

Karma, in a nutshell, is saying to the person, "there very much are consequences to your actions, both to you and to other people - to the world. Please take full responsibility for your actions. Don't be a fool."

And I think the whole reason why karma is an issue in the first place is because, a lot of people want to be able to get away with whatever they choose to do. But karma is saying "no, you wont get away with it. It's a fundamental law of nature. What you do to others you might as well do to yourself." And why? Because we're all actually connected as one.

So, the awareness of karma is crucial. Your freewill remains intact and you're not a victim. You're just part of a natural dynamic.

@ divine1966

What say you good woman?