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Jun 09, 2008, 08:40 AM
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i am trying to remember all the simple virtues from my childhood lessons... some that come to mind are honesty and truth, love, kindness, compassion... helpfulness, simpleness... trying to make a complete list.. would others please add? i believe it would really help my healing
prayers and many thanks for sharing... 
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#2
Jun 09, 2008, 08:55 AM
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There are lists of virtues available from here (including traits that were considered virtuous in different religions and in different societies)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue |
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#3
Jun 09, 2008, 08:59 AM
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wonderful
 i've studied and read a lot and its nutty, i still have a hard time remembering them at times... it's kind of a period of rebirth for me spiritually and i want to get off on the correct footing... i know these simple virtues exist in many places and in many forms, i am really interested in others takes on this.....thank you
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Jun 09, 2008, 09:04 AM
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selflessness
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Jun 09, 2008, 09:09 AM
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Maybe... Though that would conflict with self assertiveness (which is sometimes considered a virtue).
One thought (the 'golden mean') is that virtues are moderate positions between two vices. So, for example, courage (a virtue) is a midpoint between cowardice (a vice) and foolishness (a vice). Similarly some might consider selflessness to be one extreme and selfishness to be another extreme and for there to be self assertiveness which is somewhere around the golden mean... |
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Jun 09, 2008, 09:17 AM
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Hmmmm
Learn to share, and NO biting! In kindergarten, I was outside at recess with my friends, and the teacher gave us a big rubber ball to play with. She told us to share it with each other.  My friend Kathy wouldn't share it with us as instructed, so I bit her on the arm in an attempt to get the ball.  The ball was taken away from all of us. I learned it's not appropriate to hurt others in order to get what you want.Fortunately, it didn't leave a scar on her. She went on to be Miss Illinois, then a finalist in the Miss America pageant in 1976. 
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Jun 09, 2008, 09:21 AM
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selflessness.....
this one is important ive learned over time... i felt foolish doing for others for the longest time... felt like i was doing for them, but getting nothing back.. i tried to teach myself the lessons of my grandmothers' who often put me before them... and others who've done so in my life... i always admired their ability to do that.... i experienced an ego collapse at the age of 15 and had to rebuild my personality.. there is hardly any other way to describe it... a confusing experience that brought a dark depression... i copied what my grandmothers did cause they said it was the right thing... and they were smart people in my view... it was such a confusing lesson for me and took a very long time to relearn... there are several reasons i came to realize why selflessness matters... i spose the greatest reason i can give appears selfish in its own way... i hope that isnt wrong... but one day i got to thinking... i happened to be hungry and poor at the time, eating in shelters and doing part time work, just getting by, barely.... i appreciated so much the helpfulness of strangers.. i had the ability to rise from my homeless condition, but there is a weird part of me... i wanted to experience it, and be with the homeless.. feel it..... i believed they had a lesson for me..... i didnt ask for handouts from others... giving my spare change away even as i was broke and hungry myself.. i had seen others do the same..... the men and women that i stayed with were not well..... i was questioning my own wellness at that point in time also..... i felt i needed to learn something there tho.... i witnessed the sickest of the sick helping one another when others with busy lives and realities of their were elsewhere occupied.... it was a saintly thing to witness..... men who called each other brother.... men who kept virtues despite thier miserable conditions.. i've always admired that spirit.... it exists here at PC.. the selfless giving of others and the compassion that accompanies it..... all to my personal benefit... i hope others will continue to add.. i promise to not be so wordy on each....
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#8
Jun 09, 2008, 09:32 AM
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What is wrong with selfishness?
One thought is that it is irrational because it involves a double standard. One treats oneself with higher regard than one treats others. What is wrong with selflessness? One thought is that it is similarly irrational because it involves a double standard. one treats oneself with less regard than one treats others. The middle ground (the rational position on some views) is a position where one treats oneself with the same regard that one treats others. Just how the thought is 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' the converse thought is 'do unto yourself as you would have yourself do unto others'. Otherwise... How can one apply the first maxim appropriately (to treat others as well as you should be treated yourself) if one doesn't have standards on how you should expect others to treat you? But this is one view, of course, and there are a whole variety of views out there... (Don't even get me started on whether males and females are subject to / should aspire to different virtues) ;-) |
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#9
Jun 09, 2008, 09:34 AM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
KathyM said: Hmmmm Learn to share, and NO biting! In kindergarten, I was outside at recess with my friends, and the teacher gave us a big rubber ball to play with. She told us to share it with each other. My friend Kathy wouldn't share it with us as instructed, so I bit her on the arm in an attempt to get the ball. The ball was taken away from all of us. I learned it's not appropriate to hurt others in order to get what you want.Fortunately, it didn't leave a scar on her. She went on to be Miss Illinois, then a finalist in the Miss America pageant in 1976. </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> i know this is sanctuary, but i have to say.. kathyM, you are too cute sometimes lol sharing without biting... that one matters for certain 
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#10
Jun 09, 2008, 09:35 AM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
kim_johnson said: Maybe... Though that would conflict with self assertiveness (which is sometimes considered a virtue). One thought (the 'golden mean') is that virtues are moderate positions between two vices. So, for example, courage (a virtue) is a midpoint between cowardice (a vice) and foolishness (a vice). Similarly some might consider selflessness to be one extreme and selfishness to be another extreme and for there to be self assertiveness which is somewhere around the golden mean... </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> thank you! |
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#11
Jun 09, 2008, 09:39 AM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
kim_johnson said: What is wrong with selfishness? One thought is that it is irrational because it involves a double standard. One treats oneself with higher regard than one treats others. What is wrong with selflessness? One thought is that it is similarly irrational because it involves a double standard. one treats oneself with less regard than one treats others. The middle ground (the rational position on some views) is a position where one treats oneself with the same regard that one treats others. Just how the thought is 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' the converse thought is 'do unto yourself as you would have yourself do unto others'. Otherwise... How can one apply the first maxim appropriately (to treat others as well as you should be treated yourself) if one doesn't have standards on how you should expect others to treat you? But this is one view, of course, and there are a whole variety of views out there... (Don't even get me started on whether males and females are subject to / should aspire to different virtues) ;-) </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> i am learning a lot here Kim, i appreciate your input very much... it is just the type of knowledge i can put some thought into... best wishes always |
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#12
Jun 09, 2008, 01:42 PM
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Faith, Hope and Charity are the ones we were taught in school. Of course at home it was those and patience too.
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Jun 09, 2008, 01:52 PM
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Other people always come first, self-denial, obedience in thought and deed, remember the hungry hordes in Europe (yes, Europe) and wherever, children should be seen and not heard, honor thy father and thy mother; those are some that were taught to me. (Do as I say, not as I do.)
Do those help?  
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Now if thou would'st When all have given him o'er From death to life Thou might'st him yet recover -- Michael Drayton 1562 - 1631 |
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Jun 09, 2008, 02:48 PM
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Pachyderm
"Do as I say, not as I do" isn't really a virtue. It's just an order that often gets ignored by children. If an adult is unable to live by a rule, why should we expect children to accomplish this feat? Regardless of what we say, children learn by example. They learn to walk by observing how we walk in life.
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Jun 09, 2008, 02:58 PM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
nowheretorun said: trying to make a complete list </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Hi nowheretorun... Sometimes when it ani't broke it isn't worth trying to fix...I have spent sometime thinking on your thoughtfull request and remembered that a man said it far better than I could in many paragraphs... Lenny ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN (a guide for Global Leadership) All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school. These are the things I learned: Share everything. Play fair. Don't hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don't take things that aren't yours. Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you. Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some. Take a nap every afternoon. When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that. Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we. And then remember the ****-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK. Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living. Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess. And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together. [Source: "ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN" by Robert Fulghum. See his web site at http://www.robertfulghum.com/ ]
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Jun 09, 2008, 03:28 PM
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Good post, Lenny I'll bet he had Mrs. Archer too!
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Jun 09, 2008, 05:54 PM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
Lenny said: </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> nowheretorun said: trying to make a complete list </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Hi nowheretorun... Sometimes when it ani't broke it isn't worth trying to fix...I have spent sometime thinking on your thoughtfull request and remembered that a man said it far better than I could in many paragraphs... Lenny ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN (a guide for Global Leadership) All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school. These are the things I learned: Share everything. Play fair. Don't hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don't take things that aren't yours. Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you. Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some. Take a nap every afternoon. When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that. Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we. And then remember the ****-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK. Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living. Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess. And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together. [Source: "ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN" by Robert Fulghum. See his web site at http://www.robertfulghum.com/ ] </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Lenny your post was very good This part i really liked "Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess. And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together. cause ((((((((((((((((everyone matters)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
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Jun 09, 2008, 08:55 PM
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integrity - let your actions and words be true and lack corruption.
peace and love, night 
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I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness. - Walt Whitman |
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Jun 10, 2008, 12:58 AM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
kim_johnson said: Maybe... Though that would conflict with self assertiveness (which is sometimes considered a virtue). One thought (the 'golden mean') is that virtues are moderate positions between two vices. So, for example, courage (a virtue) is a midpoint between cowardice (a vice) and foolishness (a vice). Similarly some might consider selflessness to be one extreme and selfishness to be another extreme and for there to be self assertiveness which is somewhere around the golden mean... </div></font></blockquote><font class="post">   good thread ((((( nowheretorun ))))))
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Jun 10, 2008, 01:01 AM
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Jun 11, 2008, 07:49 AM
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Hope. faith. love. caring. kindness.Truth
to know that no matter what (((everyone matters)))) ((( we can all help each other)))) ((( there is always hope))))) ((((that love is the answer))))) ((( kindness for one another)))) ((helping all)))) (((listening to one another))) (((forgivness))))))) ((( Truth))))))))) (( we can all make a difference in the world))))))))))) muffy |
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Jun 11, 2008, 09:21 AM
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muffy said:
</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> (( we can all make a difference in the world))))))))))) </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> this is so true muffy.. a lot of us dont realize the profound power we have.... individually and collectively, people are the greatest force on the planet... we decide what is sold and what is bought... we decide what emotion is passed between and amongst us.. we choose what the governments provide us with.. all the choices are ours.. amongst ourselves, we choose what light guides or what darkness spreads.. we choose what foods to eat, what pills to take, what movies to watch... there is always someone willing to sell us something.. we decide what it is we want... individually and collectively.. people are the only power..... with simple virtue, we run the planet... the power and the responsibility belongs to us.. the people.... |
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Jun 11, 2008, 09:25 AM
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</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
nowheretorun said: muffy said: </font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font> (( we can all make a difference in the world))))))))))) </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> this is so true muffy.. a lot of us dont realize the profound power we have.... individually and collectively, people are the greatest force on the planet... we decide what is sold and what is bought... we decide what emotion is passed between and amongst us.. we choose what the governments provide us with.. all the choices are ours.. amongst ourselves, we choose what light guides or what darkness spreads.. we choose what foods to eat, what pills to take, what movies to watch... there is always someone willing to sell us something.. we decide what it is we want... individually and collectively.. people are the only power..... with simple virtue, we run the planet... the power and the responsibility belongs to us.. the people.... </div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> (((nowheretorun)))))))))) I can not add anymore to this except to say "your right" we all have the power.............. to make the world a better place.... the responsibility is ours........................ |
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