Amanda Bynes

i was thinking about it and im wondering since schizophrenia starts later for women in their late 20s/early 30s - that if someone say like me who is dxd early in their 20s/late teens - and whether or not its bad or not as bad or in remission - would it get worse in my late 20s or early 30s?

I don't know.

I have a lot of questions about that type of stuff that I feel won't get answered. Like, did going all those years do something to my brain and now I'm starting to get the effect of it? Or.... if I never got the right dx to begin with when I was a teen, then what will happen? Does it matter?

she seems a bit bipolar. i wouldnt be surprised if she has schizoaffective. which is a type of sz anyway. i remember when i was dxd with SzA people like family and even various medical docs and therapists just said schizophrenia even though it was technically SzA

This. Some people here schizoaffective and somehow think it's a milder dx and it's like... no, just... no.

I don't see how having BOTH a mood disorder and sz at the same time is somehow "better"...

i never saw that either. supposedly people with SzA do better becuase they have less cognitive or thought disturbance than someone with Sz. but theres also a disagreement about it. i mean if i remember correctly the DSM says SzA is a mood disorder with only schizophrenia-like symptoms. a mood disorder involving Criterion A of schizophrenia diagnosis. which criteria A states as hallucinations/delusions/disorganized speech/affective flattening.

expanding on dx criteria for Sz involves criterion A (which is positive symptoms) PLUS negative symptoms. but then it got more complicated when you get into the subtypes which they dont have anymore. because for paranoid sz you dont need to meet any criteria except for positive symptoms. but then its even more complicated because the lenght of time u suffer has to still be 6 months.

etc etc etc add on top of that everyone presents differently.
im obviously not a doctor. dont claim to know everything. but im saying things in this system and psychiatry are so complicated that you have THE DOCTORS messing up too A LOT.if you had general medical doctors or other types messing up and misdiagnosing as much as psychs do - our medical system in this country prob would be in the lower rung? IDK IDK IDK. its judt messed up.

by now they no longer have subtypes. its just flat out schizophrenia. and they changed the criteria not jut for it a bit but for Sza also. and otther things............

I think we all agreed before it was probably szA for her. We may not be doctors but can all spot one of our own, I think.

I agree it's so complicated. I don't know the DSM 5 much, I remember some from DSM 4, though. It's so complex. I take it like people saying type 1 diabetes is the worse type of diabetes, which is a false statement. They are both equally as bad. There is not a cure for type 1 or type 2, both you end on insulin eventually (which is technically the better treatment in my opinion,) and in the end they both cause the exact same complications if you don't care for yourself.

So, sz and szA are like sisters in my head. One is not better than the other or worse, they are just a bit different in how they present themselves.

.lololololol.

So your chances of recovery and going off the meds are better the more affect you have....don't have the link but basically you're more likely to recover with sza than sz.

Ten-year outcome: patients with schizoaffective disorders, schizophrenia, affective disorders and mood-incongruent psychotic symptoms

Here is a link to what I said above...it doesn't address the meds but just overall recovery. I can't find the original link I had in mind.

i was trying hardr to avoid this cuz its too much for me.

but i was passing by my tv
and they showed a pic of her at the psych ward and said new updates today said it a severe MI "with schizophrenic tendencies". so could be bipolar. said they tested her for drugs extensively. that it all came out negative except weed.

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Yes, I hear they are extending the hold. Really, I'm following it because my prayers are with her and I hope she gets through it okay. I really love her as an actress. She's so cute and funny, possibly my very favorite "teen movie" comic actresses, I will always sit and watch a movie if her name is in the credits. So.... I really want her to find some wellness and hopefully she can find her way out of the tangle she's in right now.

What bothers me most about all this is the media's way of giving false info to the public about MI. I noticed Dr. Drew had a show last night with a panel of people giving opinions and I couldn't watch it but for a minute. Dr. Drew going on and on about how necessary it is that "these people" have to be held against their will and forced into treatment. Also about having a conservatorship for care. I disagree so much on the grounds of human rights. Being in an extreme altered state doesn't mean we are criminals. We have a choice and should not be forced into treatment if we do not want it, no matter how much society believes we are sick and lack insight.
It just seems all the media attention since Newtown and Aurora has caused an extreme in thinking about MI. Now the public thinks that the only way is to force treatment and over- medicate etc. etc. The public is being misled with all this crap in advertisement, and shows like Dr. Drew talking about how diseased and disordered those of us with mental illness are, that we are not capable of making decisions.

That's terrible, I used to love Dr. Drew when he was on the radio---you know they've done studies of doctors and apparently going to med school actually makes you more negative about people with mental illness.

SP: yeah, I have had a bunch of medical conditions over the years, and when I give full disclosure to a practitioner, I am treated completely differently than say if I just go in like a regular person who has gall bladder disease, for example. I have noticed a huge shift in the way I am treated when I tell a clinician my mental health history. Last I went for a well -woman check up, the whole appointment was the Pa talking about MI meds, etc. I felt like everything else was negated because of my label. From now on, I am not disclosing MI if I go in for bronchitis, or whatever. I decided to start seeing other healthcare practitioners, who have no idea who I am.

After all, if I'm nuts, then I must be making up all symptoms of physical ailments, because it's all in my head, right?; and I can't be taken seriously because of a MI status. (sarcasm)

It's as if some MD's think that MI equals sociopathy or something like that, idk.
Dr. Drew and his panel were not treating the Amanda B case like she's a human being. All they see is pathology, and they bring in an element like she's a leper or something.

if a famous person is seen as only pathology....what hope do people like us have? ever.

I think, Newtus, the hope lies with us standing up for our human rights and educating the public. I do see it as a battle that has to constantly be fought. Maybe if Amanda B. gets through this without being overly medicated and brainwashed she will become a spokesperson of sorts for people like us.

lol honestly? i dont think so. but who knows. cuz she wasnt doing the things she did before and then she goes through this. so who knows. i can almost guarantee you though that she might just be overmedicated soon. especially if shes getting conservatorship then idk if she have any say about the meds and other things you know?

It makes me mad to hear Dr. Drew saying that. Thanks for sharing, Mimi, that lowers my opinion of him quite a bit.

I think that only if someone is a serious danger should someone be helping take care of them. Not held at the hospital but just have someone there until they are well. Technically, I care for my mother-in-law this way because she goes into these altered states where she stops paying her rent, believing that the landlord is plotting against her to take her money. She's been evicted several times and almost also got us evicted for this. In that type of case, people need someone to help take care of them. She'd be on teh street if not for us.

also on the conservatorship. i read that BSpears father has had control over her money and personal life ever since. its not easy to end conservatorship though is it? i read it wasnt. but idk. once your on it its self esteem blowing completely. u no really have say in your life. i mean you cant live like an adult.

this is what people on this forum arent understanding. this is exactly what im saying about my dad. so if i move away and he ends up doing something....it would have been able to prevent it.

I see, that makes thinkgs hard. It's hard to be in that position. I feel that is what really upsets my husband about his mom. She still tries to be his parent but he also feels he has to parent her... It's not an easy thing.

This is interesting because last year when I was in the hospital every time someone new walks in they ask "what meds are you allergic to?" And so I list them off and on that list is lamictle and abilify. They say "Why are you taking those?" I say "I have bipolar disorder." They say "What meds are you now?" I say none. They say "are you seein ga psychiatrist or therapist" I say not currently and they just nodd and write it down for the 100th time.

And that was it.

My PCP always asks if I've been in to see the pdoc yet. I say no (hardly go there anyway.) And that's it.

It's like I have some sort of bubble around me that keeps people from caring either in good or bad ways. I don't get it....

Yeah, I understand your point. My hope for change lies with movements like the link you posted for the Open Paradigm Project. I took the time to watch every single video testimonial of the psychiatric survivors. It gave me hope that there are people out there like me, who have been treated inhumanely, who refuse the label, stigma, etc. They are activists who speak up for people like Amanda. I have hope that perhaps some public person will recover from abuses in the system, and shed light on the fact that there is recovery and there are alternatives to psychiatric coercion.

most of me has really given up. i just idk...

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I know. It's discouraging. I do get encouraged from watching testimonials from people in the Mind Freedom Movement, like I said before.