[faerie_moon_x]

Okay so I want to talk about this with people who deal with it.

I read like online all my little research. WTH are disorganized thoughts? I don't seem to have a lot of disorganized speech, just some. Like pressured speech, no big deal. Or for example some blocking. I just lose words out of my head mid-sentance. And I think I ramble, and there's one disorganized speech thing about rambling, I can't remember. But... really, no big deal.

But, what about forgetting? Does that count? Forgetting what I was doing or why, or what people say. Or what about checking, re-check, and re-re-checking things and still getting them wrong. (I just did this with the taxes, not a good place.) Or, like the thing where I can't write the time right any more. Or suddenly I can't spell. Or it takes me forever to figure out where to "click" on the screen for things, or I am trying to click the home button but I keep clicking print. (These are things I never had problems with before.) Or not being able to keep a clean desk, because I can't figure out where things go, even if it seems logical where they should go...

I mean, yeah sure, that's executive function. But is it disorganized thinking? I mean, I try to do things and spin around at my desk. I forget what order a folder for class is put together. Folders I make hundreds of them every year for 6 years, suddenly I forget how. What?

Anyway... I'm going manic I think. But this is bugging me. I want to ask the people who actually know (you know, you guys who lives with this stuff.) I feel like a big stupid crazy lumbering elephant right now and I hate it.

[newtus]

i have disorganized thoughts. ive been told by my nurse and therapist. i forget things midsentence. my speech can become jumbled. loads pf other things. dont think it doesnt just cause i can correct stuff online. my thoughts get disorganized.

[Sometimes psychotic]

I know when I was sick I had trouble with forgetting stuff I compensated by writing everything down or putting it in evernote---the other thing is like when I was on meds I actually typed a lot better---right now I have to correct typos every three words or so but on meds it was better, but meds also impaired the types of reading I could do so its a double edged sword---so I'm not sure about disorganized thoughts exactly but those were the things I experienced...

[faerie_moon_x]

Yeah, reading, sometimes good and sometimes bad.

Speeking I don't think I jumble words but typing I do, but I fix it a lot. I forget what I'm saying, though. I do that one.

I don't know because you look online and it mostly links disorganized thoughts with disorganized speech and I want to find stuff that lists like other types of disorganized thoughts. Do you know what I mean?

That's why I'm asking you guys. Thanks so much for your replies.

[Auntie2014]

When I am stressed I transpose letters within a word while writing. I will have conversation with some one and think that it was very logical.The next time I talk to the person the seem to act like the conversation did not happen. I always feel like we must have been speaking different language.

It can mean many symptoms by my understanding

Racing thoughts
Oppositional thought processes
Auditory processing problems
Random thought processes
Compulsive, obsessive thought processes
Inappropriate thought processes
Irrational thought processes
Paranoid thought processes
Incomprehensible thought processes


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[faerie_moon_x]

Originally Posted by paulycoll

It can mean many symptoms by my understanding

Racing thoughts
Oppositional thought processes
Auditory processing problems
Random thought processes
Compulsive, obsessive thought processes
Inappropriate thought processes
Irrational thought processes
Paranoid thought processes
Incomprehensible thought processes


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OH, thanks, I have racing thoughts very regulary ramping up to severly racing thoughts often. Even in calmer states I have them.

Also obsessive thoughts, especially when I'm bad.

And also paranoid thoughts...

thanks.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by paulycoll

It can mean many symptoms by my understanding

Racing thoughts
Oppositional thought processes
Auditory processing problems
Random thought processes
Compulsive, obsessive thought processes
Inappropriate thought processes
Irrational thought processes
Paranoid thought processes
Incomprehensible thought processes


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thats me...

[blackwhitered]

I have thought blocking where it feels like my thoughts are being cut off (like someone cutting off a sentence when you speak), and I don't know what this is called, but sometimes I will completely forget what I'm doing in the middle of doing it. WAY beyond normalcy, like ALL my thoughts will just vanish and I feel like I've just woken up with amnesia or something.
My mom told me that a lot of times when I talk, she can't see the connection between what I'm saying. I also have trouble reading long blocks of text because I get confused and feel like it's not making sense (I get lost). When it gets really bad, it seems like the words are not happening in the right order.
I'd agree that it's not as bad online because I can edit what I say and have time to think through my thoughts. But disorganization was never my primary problem.

[faerie_moon_x]

Originally Posted by blackwhitered

I have thought blocking where it feels like my thoughts are being cut off (like someone cutting off a sentence when you speak), and I don't know what this is called, but sometimes I will completely forget what I'm doing in the middle of doing it. WAY beyond normalcy, like ALL my thoughts will just vanish and I feel like I've just woken up with amnesia or something.
My mom told me that a lot of times when I talk, she can't see the connection between what I'm saying. I also have trouble reading long blocks of text because I get confused and feel like it's not making sense (I get lost). When it gets really bad, it seems like the words are not happening in the right order.
I'd agree that it's not as bad online because I can edit what I say and have time to think through my thoughts. But disorganization was never my primary problem.

Yes, I have these thing.

I jump around in my head from idea to idea and I lose people, very often this happens. The blocking where words or actions drop off mid-sentance or action, that happens to me too. I get lost looking at a screen. Like I said my husband will be standing there helping me with something and say "Click where it says blah blah blah," and my brain just dumps that information. I sit there staring at the screen like "huh???" I'm really good on the computer normally so this is frustraiting, but my husband complains about it regularly.

Also, the reading thing. Where halfway through I get confused. I have to re-read and sometimes I have to give up and come back later. This is a big deal because I was an avid reader with very high reading comprehension all my life. So, when this happens it really makes me mad.

[wushuduck]

I don't know if this counts as disorganized thoughts or speech but sometimes I say something completely different from what I thought I said. For example I might mean to say "I'm going to the shop" but instead say something completely different and I won't notice this unless someone points it out or I ask what I said. I don't know if this makes any sense but that's my experience.

[nbritton]

Here is a good example, these are from the last time I was sick. In the first picture I was attempting to organize my files. However, as you can see, there is no rhyme or reason to the scattering of the documents throughout the room and all over the bed. I think all I succeeded in doing was making my files more disorganized.



My mind becomes "cluttered", the disaster depicted in the pictures is representative of what's going on inside my head. Clinicians primarily associate it with speech, as that's the only thing they can observe in a clinical setting. However, it's a lot more complex then that. It can range from having minor difficulties forming coherent, or grounded, thoughts, or to a complete breakdown in executive functioning that a person can't even tie their own shoes. It can also come through in writing, my notes from that time are practically incomprehensible.

[faerie_moon_x]

nbritton! Yes! that's exactly it!

Okay, so here are 2 attempts of mine to be "organized" at work.

This first one is my cubby where I just cram stuff I can't figure out how to organize and then I panic.

The other is my attempt to organize via color coding because I think better in color coding.... as you can see it hasn't helped. And remember, this is work, where if I'm not organized I get written up so this is the very max level of my ability to organize, and I work with 2 organizational freaks.

Sorry I had to put them as attachements. I don't know how to make a picture from my phone.

[blackwhitered]

I'm a naturally messy person, but when things get bad I have trouble starting projects, planning my day, etc. It feels like I have things to do but don't remember which I'm supposed to do first. I might not shower or change because the thought just doesn't occur to me. I feel the need to write myself reminders sometimes or have other people remind me just to do basic things. But I usually forget to do that too.

[newtus]

i used to be a very messy person but both my parents are hoarders so i keep things neat or i TRY to. my stuff is like messy-neat. i have a lot of stuff but its all in its own place. except for my desks. :/ and a few of my clothes.

[newtus]

i have trouble showering

[Atypical_Disaster]

From your original post it sounds like you're experiencing a lot of thought blocking which is a sign of thought disorder. It also sounds like you're having a lot of cognitive trouble period, the forgetting things and not being able to get organized.

Disorganized thinking, gah... I have it but I have a hard time defining it. Ironic. It sounds like you're having it in every area except speech though, but that's just my non professional opinion.

[jeppys]

my voices actually manipulate my consciousness and the ability to form thoughts, make connections, recall names or words. there are times when i feel the butt end of a sentence being stolen from my consciousness. i also have an intrusion (an internal turrets) of mean and hateful thoughts that are not what i would normally think about anyone. another thing i have become more aware of is these things i call "nuggets". they are thoughts (created by and attached to emotions). the speed at which these nuggets fly into or through our consciousness can vary wildly. Have you ever had a "nugget" pop into your consciousness and before you unravel it into a sentence, you already understand it's meaning? my voices were telling me, "ya know, you are not really conscious of what you are thinking. you just called him a jerk (but much worse)." and i argued with them and said i didn't really believe it but "Melissa" (outside voice), predicts everything i say up to several seconds before it pops into my mind......and there have been a few occasions in which what i perceived as a feeling that was instantly in and out of my consciousness so fast that the words never came into existence. but they did. because i thought for a sec, ya know what, i totally called him a jerk. what's worse is my inside voice will speak to me and i feel physically compelled to copy him. i can clench my teeth, stick my tongue out, or completely relax my jaw and it is as if someone is physically forcing my mouth to form his words.

[faerie_moon_x]

I have intrusive thoughts which may be similar to your "nuggets." I don't say them outloud, though. But, they are attached to emotions and are bad and scary thoughts that I don't like. They are angry and mean and violent, usually, and I'm not a violent person by nature. I don't like to say what they are specificially. The thoughts come on in little bursts of anger and frustration throughout the day. Sometimes worse and more often, and other times barely at all to none. It just depends on how well I'm doing overall, I guess.

[Zaria]

I don't know if this is completely unrelated to the topic?.. but I am wondering if anyone has this:
My son (age 24) OFTEN takes a good full minute (or longer) to respond when we ask him a question or speak to him. Often we have to repeat the question a couple of times so he even hears it and then it will either be answered ...or not. It's really like he doesn't even hear us, and is deep in his thoughts at that moment. It's been going on now for many years. I can't remember when it started but he's had this problem as far back as early teens or adolescence at least.
I don't know what is going on in his head during those times and he won't talk about it or ANY of his other symtoms to ANYONE. I now feel very bad (stupid) knowing he has had this particular 'problem' that long (probably since middle school or early high school years) and I, his mother, did not seek help for him. At the time, I did not realize how bothersome this was and how much worse his problems would someday become.
Does anyone else here have this problem where you are OFTEN, not seeming to hear others speaking to you at times? (or know of this?)
This is above and beyond the occasional example of someone preoccupied with a thought and just didn't hear, it is just too frequent.

[faerie_moon_x]

Hi Zaria, welcome to PC.

First, don't feel stupid. I think most kids play the "ignore" game. Like my 7 year old tends to do this a lot, (especially if he's on the computer or watching t.v.) I think that's a normal kid thing. He never hears "time to pick up toys," yet somehow he never misses if I happen to bring home candy.

So, I have two questions.

1) Has he had his hearing checked? I mean, maybe he really can't hear you.

2) If his hearing is fine, then I'm goin to say it could be slow processing. Executive cognitive function is not IQ. It is things like organization (like being able to prioritize tasks or keep a room clean,) memory, focus, and processing. It's just like a computer. You know when you watch a YouTube video and it says "buffering?" Well, the brain is kind of the same way with information. Processing decline is one of my cognitive skills that's declined very noticablely.

The only thing I know to help cognitive skills is to play games that enforce them. Like match games, or games where you have to quickly click or tap targets. But, it might be worth a visit to the doctor to figure out if there's a reason this is happening to him.

[Zaria]

2) If his hearing is fine, then I'm goin to say it could be slow processing. Executive cognitive function is not IQ. It is things like organization (like being able to prioritize tasks or keep a room clean,) memory, focus, and processing. It's just like a computer. You know when you watch a YouTube video and it says "buffering?" Well, the brain is kind of the same way with information. . Processing decline is one of my cognitive skills that's declined very noticablely.

Thank you faerie. Your description of "buffering" is perfect! That's EXACTLY what it sometimes looks like when it happens.
So it must be some sort of processing problem (when it's happening) then?
His hearing is fine. He's not a kid anymore though, he's in his early 20's now.
One reason why I did ignore it over the years is because it IS so typical of young kids to ignore and not 'hear' when they're not interested.
THANKS

[blackwhitered]

Originally Posted by Zaria

2) If his hearing is fine, then I'm goin to say it could be slow processing. Executive cognitive function is not IQ. It is things like organization (like being able to prioritize tasks or keep a room clean,) memory, focus, and processing. It's just like a computer. You know when you watch a YouTube video and it says "buffering?" Well, the brain is kind of the same way with information. . Processing decline is one of my cognitive skills that's declined very noticablely.

Thank you faerie. Your description of "buffering" is perfect! That's EXACTLY what it sometimes looks like when it happens.
So it must be some sort of processing problem (when it's happening) then?
His hearing is fine. He's not a kid anymore though, he's in his early 20's now.
One reason why I did ignore it over the years is because it IS so typical of young kids to ignore and not 'hear' when they're not interested.
THANKS

Did he have any signs of childhood disintegrative disorder or autism as a child? Some autistic people appear not to be listening when spoken to. And CDD can resemble schizophrenia in some cases if I recall correctly.

[Zaria]

Originally Posted by blackwhitered

Did he have any signs of childhood disintegrative disorder or autism as a child? Some autistic people appear not to be listening when spoken to. And CDD can resemble schizophrenia in some cases if I recall correctly.

He certainly was never diagnosed with either. I'd never heard of CDD; but I just looked at the description of it. From what I read about it and the symtoms- he doesn't (did'nt) have that. Speech wasn't delayed, although by age five just as he was about to enter kindergarten, people still (except me) often had great difficulty understanding his speech because of the poor pronunciation.. He had speech therapy for several years in elementary school. Not sure why the speech problems, because his hearing tests always checked out.
Was was never diagnosed with autism (but it was never looked at either). You know 20 yrs ago the internet was nothing like it is now, so parents didn't have access to the kind of information you can get now (how the world has changed!)
More then one of his elementary school teachers said he would "space out" in class. Is is possible to have mild autism and not know?

[blackwhitered]

Originally Posted by Zaria

He certainly was never diagnosed with either. I'd never heard of CDD; but I just looked at the description of it. From what I read about it and the symtoms- he doesn't (did'nt) have that. Speech wasn't delayed, although by age five just as he was about to enter kindergarten, people still (except me) often had great difficulty understanding his speech because of the poor pronunciation.. He had speech therapy for several years in elementary school. Not sure why the speech problems, because his hearing tests always checked out.
Was was never diagnosed with autism (but it was never looked at either). You know 20 yrs ago the internet was nothing like it is now, so parents didn't have access to the kind of information you can get now (how the world has changed!)
More then one of his elementary school teachers said he would "space out" in class. Is is possible to have mild autism and not know?

It is possible to have mild autism (formerly Aspergers) and not know, but given that information I don't think that's the only possibility. I've met people who had epilepsy whose seizures were mild, so they didn't look like the grand mal ones most people imagine. One boy I met had absence seizures, where it looked like he was just spaced out, like the lights are on but nobody's home. And apparently some forms of epilepsy can look like psychosis. Have you ruled out seizures?