[PunkPhotography]

From 1:00 to 4:30 AM this morning, I was acting a little weird...You see, I kept on having seizures, speaking in this little rasping voice and then somewhat shouting about santanic rituals, satan, "get these ropes off me", and I could literately feel some kind of marking being branded on my arm. I could see Jenny and Danielle in front of me (these girls are somewhat my "imaginary friends", but they do make me feel very unconfortable at times). And I even claim to having been going from my bedroom to the hallway a few times while this happening, and even vomiting once.

I'm not a religious person; I don't believe in God or the Devil... I'm agnostic with this little passion for the Mormon religion.

[Labyssum]

Are you on meds? You should really see a doctor...

[PyramidJacket]

It sounds like you might be experiencing delusions, but I really can't say for sure.

I think you need a visit to the hospital. This sounds quite serious and you might end up doing something you'll later regret.

[spiritual_emergency]

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PunkPhotography: I don't believe in God or the Devil...

That may well be true, but you probably do believe in the concepts of good and evil. Good and evil are opposites and often, when people are undergoing a form of crisis or intense inner conflict they might feel as if they are being torn in two as they wrestle with finding their own answers. Sometimes they express the intensity of this inner conflict with metaphors, such as having "God (Good) and the Devil (Evil) raging inside of them.

What I'm always interested in when people begin having these kinds of experiences is, what else is going on in your life? Have you recently experienced a disappointing loss, a crushing setback, a form of trauma? Is your inner conflict merely a reflection of some conflict in your outer world?

[blah__x]

i gotta say it sounded very familiar to what some religions say about possession etc. but heck i'd say see a doctor..

take care..

[coralproper]

Hi, punkphotography
I have recently found out that I may have some schizophrenic disorders ex specially the paranoid version,
ironically mine are hypersensitive to religious topics and I feel haunted and have delusions of supernatural presence,as well as some hallucinations. Thought I'd share a little.

Anyway, the above disorders are compounded by others and my mind has been changing rapidly.....I do however have a ability to adapt to the world around me since most know of my problems and I am nonviolent and never have been and have very strong feelings against violence....as well I feel I have lived my life in a dream and have become very good at adapting to other topics and just go through the motions.

My views on religion may be disturbing to some, so please "all" remember these are just "my" views.

Your post triggered me since I have been starting to think it is possible that God "is or controls" the Devil also...I believe in both.
Disturbing to most believers I am sure.

I started to piece this together from Isaiah....were God says, I make peace and create calamity (terror) I the lord do all these things...then started to think about the creation of Lucifer whom he created as one of his best Angels to start....and granted him the consciousness to make his own "choices"..like us. All along knowing the path he would take before he took it. Obviously he had his reasons, I guess to distinguish good on earth he would have to distinguish evil first. So "he" made the "choice" to create Lucifer.

Bare with me since I may can help get them out off you, since I actually feel I have perception of things most don't.

As a child I had times I wished I was never born (created) and often wonder had Satan ever felt the same..or does he just serve his purpouse without any emotion.

Later God called a meeting with his sons in Job...and Satan came to...but before he could temp Job he had to ask permission...showing me that no act can be done without the ok of God first...so there could never be a war between them in my opinion...and there would never be terror without God creating or oking it first.

I have been shunned from my religious community for some of my veiws, and comprehension...they pity me but on the contrary I pity them.

The bible teaches that when you love the ones that love you back you gain nothing since sinners and non believers even can do this but when you do good and show love to those that hate and spitfully persecute you, you have gained.

I often wonder if Satan was shown the same compassion..."not followed or worshiped to be very very clear" that we are expected to show to humans...is there a gain...would he change and take the other path if given the same chance as humans?...or is he just calamity brought forth from the power of God so God would have to forgive his self.

It is taught that God is perfect and makes no mistakes...but I know he was sorry for what he had done and felt he made a mistake, which shows remorce to me......because he pretty much said so twice in my opinion .....right before he destroyed the world the first time.

Anyway sorry if this don't relate.....but I cant help but feel more compassion for the parents of all the 2 year olds that were sacraficed for Jesus...after Herods orders...since they had no choice...Jesus not only had the choice but knew he would rise agin. So who really made the ultimate sacrafice?

I know the worlds sins were on him but........If I lost a 2 year old like all those people did, for him, I could never follow.

Then theres the common knowledge by most scholars of things in the genealogys etc.....but I wont go on ......

For all these thoughts and many many more I am haunted and often wish I could just not believe......but the dilusions stay as well as some hallucinations and they are getting worse...so dispite the overwhelming evidence of evolution...God stays with me and show me his answers to this as well, I feel.....and I am blessed beyond belief, but am still in constant terror from things that I can see.

Try to take control and dont be afraid to stand up to but not against God if you ever do believe...I think he likes the challenge...as well as challenging...and has put a carbon copy of himself in each one of us...the good and bad

sorry all if none of this makes since to you, I will try to focus on other things next time I post

[blah__x]

personally i dont believe God was "sorry" for destroying the world (or so they say He did). he knew what he was doing and i think its an insult to him to say he felt regret.

anyway that aside lets not have a debate..

interesting posts.....

[coralproper]

hi gabriel

this is not a debate it is something scholars have studied,its use twice in genesis 6:10 or 11 to 14 if I remember correct I don't read the bible anymore so you'd have to research this if you really want to see,in most accurate bibles not all the rewrites after James,there is a way to twist this so that it don't seem contrary but I wont get into all that here,I always look at both sides before making my mind,if you want specific contradictions that are common knowledge to most scholars just pm me ,these are not open to debate,since they are so contrary,but I have looked at the defence of these also and can elaborate,I even know the twisted defence of the use of the word sorry if you'd like that...but it is grasping for straws in my opinion...beside if I insult God that is between he and I ...he don't need a lawyer

Not that he was sorry for destroying the earth but that he had created man who had become so corrupt in his sight.

It all depends on what you comprehend though,so people can debate the color milk if they like,and lets not even get on king james as a man and his witch hunts he approved of....we really dont need to go there..or all the killing of thousands of jews by christans during the plague..and their reasons

[blah__x]

i wasnt debating i just thought id ention it though it was probably a dumn idea anyway. im not saying the world wasnt destroyed, im saying that i, personally, dont think he was sorry. theres no historical evidence to show what god was thinking.

im an agnostic anyway..

but this isnt the plce..sorry all if i offended anyone

[coralproper]

no evidence other than mans version of the bible cleary saying he wish he never created man since they were so evil at this point(my comprehension)...read it...at least this is most who study it for more than just faiths veiws, opinions(that it is contrary here and 115 other places)..."with historical evidence who needs faith".....there is no evidence that the world was destroyed by a flood and if it was there would be overwelming evidence in sedimentary layers "everywhere" that is unless God conveinantly erased the evidence...I know a twist to prove a flood though....not the whole world....just what men thought was the whole world at the time, and how even this has been miscomprehended but its to long to write here

Im not saying he was "sorry" for destroying the wold..he had to...he was sorry for creating man in my opinion..at the point before he destroyed it

I do believe in God..I just think the bible has be rewritten to suit mans need to control men and has been flawed along the way

you dont have to agree