masturbation and Christianity?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the graham cracker history! Wasn't saltpeter also used to try to cut down on desires? Of course, that's not a food we eat.

What, sex not meant for pleasure? Where in the Bible did Kellogg's get THAT idea? He must have never read the Old Testament book called The Song of Solomon! The pleasure is one of the gifts God has given to us. It would be a strange thing to do without incentive.....

Of course, it's usually the idea that the woman shouldn't have pleasure, because otherwise she might not be faithful to her husband, isn't it?

lol Wish I could tell you where, but those were his views. He advocated a lot of experiments on men and women to...remove the ability to have pleasure. Some were more successful than others.

Define "here", where is "here" as you say. I assume you mean the US? I don't believe all churches take that stance. The Republican nominee's church is a prime example.

There are some churches that do defy local state and city ordinances in addition to parental church doctrines.

I've always assumed, for the most part, churches turn a blind eye or remain mostly moot on the subject. I do agree masturbation is a real gift and not anything to be ashamed of.

Were his cereals successful in eliminating pleasure?

Well, the Corn Flakes in my instance eliminate any sort of pleasure to the palate, so maybe partial success. They're just so...bland.

what techniques do you use to masturbate? and what else do you know about it?

Is it wrong to masturbate and fantisize about a female

No. Fantasy is just that, fantasy.

But what if u want it to come true

Im sorry but we cant tell you that its right or wrong for you to fantasize or wish your fantasies to come true..

every culture/location/ religious belief system.... and personal veiws have their own interpretation/laws/rules that say what is right and wrong for a person. that includes what sex practices are ok and what are not..

here where I live and work, in New York, United States of America, and in my Indian/religious/ cultural background it is not wrong for me to fantasize and wish those fantasies to come true. In fact here in America anyone of my culture and religion can bring their fantasies to reality as long as its with consenting adult, meaning those participating or a part of that fantasy have given their permission for everything that is being brought out of fantasy and into reality.

Only you can say whether its ok for you to fantasize/masturbate and wish your fantasies to come true based upon your own cultural/religious background and the laws and rules that govern where you are.

by "here" I mean "here where I live and work in NY which is in the USA.

I always add that to my posts simply because when I first came here to psych central it was confusing members because some thought I was speaking for this website. so the moderators and I are making my posts more clear by including that phrase "here where I live and work in NY, USA" for clarification purposes. Im sorry if I forgot to fully type the phrase out leading to your confusion. Sometimes when I am posting my head thinks faster than I write.

No I did not mean to speak for ***all*** churches and states.. my standard is every location, religions, cultures have their own rules that govern these kinds of things. to find out what is followed in your location/religion/ cultural background you will need to contact those in your location.. ie treatment providers, churches, police departments and other governing agencies that would know the rules and laws in your own locations.

To me, "wrong" would mean that it didn't fit your standards, whatever those might be. I think it would be more useful to sort out the consequences of whatever you're worried about.

Suppose you're attracted to (or obsessed with, or whatever) someone you know. The consequences of approaching them IRL could include:

-- You find they're attracted to you too, or they're not.

-- You get into a relationship* with them and it fits with everything else you're doing (including your other relationships), or it doesn't.

-- Alternatively, they don't want to get into a relationship with you, they're freaked out that you'd even consider it, and they react by saying bad things about you to everyone they know.

If you choose not to approach the person IRL, the consequences of just fantasizing about them could include:

-- You find yourself with less time and energy for other things that you thought were more important to you.

-- The experience reminds you that there's something you want that you're not finding, whether or not that person actually has anything to do with it or not.

I could go on, but anyway... I say the "right" or "wrong" isn't so much in what you choose to think about (or even to do), as in how gracefully you handle the consequences.

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* I'm using "relationship" in the broadest possible sense, to include partners, lovers, "friends with benefits", even enemies.

Mathew 5:8 says that if you want a woman in your heart you've already commited adultery with her

hope that helps

Yes thanku

With regard to the sexual identity, If a woman dreams with other woman but she usually consider herself as straight, What could we say?

Wow...talk about a thoughtcrime

I think it is mad to feel guilty for something like this. Without mas*urbation I would probably go insane, as embarrassing as that is to admit.... I hope God understands..

God understands temptation... but 1 corinthians 10:13 says "But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it."

Is this really a sexual issue or a spiritual issue?
Masturbation is normal human behavior.
If the bible says it's a sin, and it does... then as a Christian you need to deal with this on a spiritual level.
It appears that it's now acceptable to interpret the bible to suit ones own needs.
You may want to take this up with the Christian group here or with your pastor or priest.

Are you quoting the Sin of Onan George? Genesis 38: 3-10? While it's open to interpretation, and I'm not trying to call you out or anything, usually the accepted interpretation is that Onan failed his duty to his deceased brother by not giving said brother's wife a child after he had passed, which is a failure of Levirate Law. He was withdrawing, and thereby essentially using his sister-in-law, and shirking from his duties. It's not so much to do with masturbation as it is that. At least, that's how I was taught.

Now granted, that opens up the whole can of worms about contraception and Christianity, but that's neither here nor there. Personally, I don't think a condom is going to be a ticket to Hell, but...again, my views. And to poke a little fun in general...can you imagine swapping "What're you in for" stories in Hell for that? Talk about low in the pecking order....

lol Harley... I'm not a believer but that's funny. I'm not calling you out or anything but it really all depends on whose interpretation is correct and unfortunately none of us have any way of knowing which one is correct... Christians seem to have a knack for interpreting their bible to fit their needs and wants
I don't know about you but when I shake the snake I have particular people in mind and I'm not married to any of them If I was a Christian I believe I would have committed adultery. If I'm wrong about religion and Christians are right, that along with fornication might be my "what are you in for answer"... that's if the unbeliever part doesn't make those irrelevant

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Good point...lol I had not considered the mental part of it. I suppose that does fall under the Matthew 5:8 portion. I still don't particularly think the act itself is sinful, but I suppose that does apply....

Ultimately, I view it like this. We are all sinners, period. There's nothing that can be done to that fact, as the last person to live a sinless life was Christ. Therefore, while I'm not saying that gives us a free ride due to the "oh well" factor, we shouldn't necessarily kick ourselves for some things, this being one of them. Going strictly off my own views, I feel like God probably understands, and He would prefer masturbation over fornication. Granted, that's not too heavily supported on a biblical basis, but that's as I was taught. Teachings vary wildly.

I'd still maintain you shouldn't worry about it TC. I don't think God is going to condemn you for masturbation.