[avoice]

Hi I'm an addict been clean 6 months. I went to rehab for oxcie because I had severe pain, I was indeed abusing them. Here's my problem I have a son that is also an addict been to rehab to. He got put on probation and know he thinks it is okay to smoke k2 24/7 we cut him off on giving him money. Lectures are not working. He has a 2 day foundation without it. He is now going through withdraws. I did my research and do not like what k2 is doing to his brain and whatever else it is doing to his body, There is only so much I can do He is 21 now. What I can do is leave it in God's hands and the law I feel I'm losing Him more and more every day. I do not want to bury my son. Love him so much What are my options in getting Him to realize He needs help.

Hello, voice. What are the conditions of your son's probation? Is using K2 a violation?

I commend you for being clean. As you state, as an adult your son is able to make choices as long as he is not in imminent danger of harm to himself or others. You are in my thoughts.

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[Leed]

Hi ~ I faced the same thing when my son was that age. My son was/is an alcoholic. We had to use tough love and set down some boundaries. We went to Al-Anon and found out what we needed to do.

First, we set down the house rules. He was to be home at a certain hour, let's say 12 midnight. He was to come home SOBER. He was NOT to use alcohol in our home. He was to get a job and KEEP it. If any of the house rules were broken, he was to leave the home. We had to be stern and together on this - his father and I.

Well, he broke the house rules. He got drunk, he lost his job, and he didn't come home on time. So he was asked to leave the home. He did. It broke our hearts because we didn't know where he would go. But he's been on his own ever since.

We cannot enable him. That's the worst thing for him. He has GOT to learn to stand on his own two feet. We did have him in rehab once but it didn't take.
Is he sober now? No. I keep praying that he will hit his bottom -- but he hasn't yet. The prayers continue but I'm afraid that some day I may have to bury my son.

I hope you have better luck than we have had. God bless you. Hugs, Lee

[madisgram]

"Are K2, Spice Gold, and other herbal incense products addictive?

Apparently so. Last year, German researchers reported the case of a 20-year-old man who had been using the Spice Gold product daily for eight months.

Not long after starting the product, the man found that he needed larger and larger doses to feel an effect. He quickly increased his use to 3 grams per day -- 10 times the dose that produced the effects described by Auwarter.
The man felt a continuous need for the product. He was unable to get it for a period of time and experienced unrest, drug craving, nightmares, sweating, nausea, tremor, headache, high blood pressure, and racing heartbeat. This went away when he again began using the product.
Finally, the man was persuaded to stop using the product. But fearing a repeat of his earlier experience, he checked into a hospital. Sure enough, he again went through classic withdrawal symptoms that lasted a week.
This clinical description fits with reports that Auwarter has received. He says that while classic drug dependence is rare among cannabis users, it may be much more common among users of synthetic cannabinoids."

i am so sorry to see you in such pain and worry. i believe there's a statute called 35, similar to 302 (for suicidal people whereby they are admitted whether they like it or not.) i wonder if you could impose this on your son to get him the help he needs. the biggest problem is this-if he doesn't want help, he'll continue to use. if he doesn't think he has a prob with k2, he will continue to use no matter what anyone says, does, or pleads.

the other thought i had was, can this info be given to his probation officer? k2 doesn't show up in a users system but i wonder if this knowledge you have could be passed on to the PO? as u know k2 is not illegal but the PO might be able to intervene. i don't know.

good for you in recovery. i'm sure you already are learning the benefits. i pray your son will see where this is "taking" him. years ago my son got hooked on crack. i had one discussion with him, i'm a recovering alcoholic, and i said to him-i won't bring this up again, the choice is yours. then i prayed for 6 months. one night he called and said, mom, i'm putting it down. i'll never forget that miracle. he's never used since. today he's a career military officer with 21 years served. i will pray for you and your son. the choice is in his hands. but a miracle can occur for your son too.