[RogueWolf]

Exactly where does a kid swinging cats round by thier tails fit on the cruelty 'scale'? (Before age 10) Also after being bitten or scratched does a normal kid do things like cover said cats fur with thier shirt and bite them back? Or use the cats own claws to scratch them back? (after age 12+) Is that anti-social? The person generally likes animals, more so than people even. The person who did this wouldn't kill an animal unless it was for food and prob would have trouble doing that even.

[ocdwifeofsociopath]

In my opionion, any harm to an animal and is not good unless it is in complete self defense and necessary for that defense (not shooting, when a light kick is enough/stopping harm when the threat is gone). As soon as the child is shown to comprehend that hurting others outside of that is bad, and have no remorse for the animal (not the consequences), they are being "cruel". I do think it is normal for kids to retaliate when hurt. ASPD isn't diagnosed until after 18. I don't know why, but there must be a reason for this. Maybe because cruelty is in more than just ASPD? And somebody can be cruel to specific things, without having a disorder maybe??
cru·el
[ kr əl ]

1.merciless: deliberately and remorselessly causing pain or anguish
2.bringing about pain: bringing about pain and distress

[RogueWolf]

well the swinging it by it's tail was not in self defence and I think I found it funny at the time but I was very young then, I don't do it now. Hmmm your answer makes me think but doesn't tell me much in relation to the level of cruelty. I'm not very cruel or power hungry under normal circumstances but it's still confusing. They don't give kids such serious diagnosis because they haven't yet matured, they haven't finished growing. In our teen years our brains get milliniation, I can't spell it but it's a thing that grows in our brain and it has to do with maturity so that is why they have things like conduct disorder etc for children and that is whay it is important to know if a child had one of those disorders or could have had but wasn't diagnosed with it.

[Mattmx]

It's a strange concept, but doing things like that at childhood while they may not be good could just be an indicator of never being taught what is right and wrong

[ocdwifeofsociopath]

Well I think it's safe to say cruel is worse than mean and therefore it in itself is on a higher level. I would think the more harm done, the more cruel it is. I would use the definition as a starting point. I would also keep in mind that distress is in there, not just physical harm. I also wouldn't get caught up in other people's definitions with out keeping in mind the actual one, because they may see something as cruel when in fact it's the opposite. It's hard to say exactly how cruel that was with the cat as well because I doubt anybody but a veterinarian could accurately gauge that. And Mattmx is right. I also fully believe that just because somebody does cruel things, doesn't necessarily make them evil or a bad person. However I also believe that doesn't give you a copout and cruel acts should be easily justified.

[RogueWolf]

well there are a few things from my childhood that seem out of the ordinary besides just that. I did grow up around violence and alcohol. I'm not sure if I knew it was wrong by then or not but I did actually like animals. I remember myself and someone else making a girl cry by forcing her to eat something she didn't want to eat but that was both of us, the other girl who was mean with me was a bit older but I think I enjoyed it which is weird cos I'm not very power focused really and I wouldn't do that now so that might have been a product of my environment at the time. The cat thing confuses me though, I honestly have no perception of where that sits on any scale and I thought that's something other people just know?? Like I think back and I'm trying to figure out how wrong it was but I can't tell. I get the impression that when other people think back to things they may have done like that as a child they know or feel where it 'sits' and feel guilt or something based on that? Though I was very young then and I am kinda weird in the fact that on somethings I can be smart/mature but I have always also been behind my age aswell though noone seems to notice that since as a child in primary school I think I was pretty good at school stuff and my teachers liked me. I never did things that got their attention I guess. Now I'm going on a bit sorry ha ha.

[ocdwifeofsociopath]

When you think back on childhood experiences you are remembering it through the eyes of a child as well as a sort of outside view because you're older and your perceptions have changed. If you didn't feel guilt about it then, and you don't feel guilt about much of anything now, than I would think that looking back on it you wouldn't feel guilty. Why would you? That doesn't mean that you should ever do it in the future though

[RogueWolf]

Originally Posted by ocdwifeofsociopath

When you think back on childhood experiences you are remembering it through the eyes of a child as well as a sort of outside view because you're older and your perceptions have changed. If you didn't feel guilt about it then, and you don't feel guilt about much of anything now, than I would think that looking back on it you wouldn't feel guilty. Why would you? That doesn't mean that you should ever do it in the future though

Well that's true but it makes it hard to see where these things sit on a scale of right to wrong/good to bad/ the level of cruelty vs the level of self awareness and of course maturity comes into it along with many other factors etc whatever u know what I mean lol

How old are you now? The time that's elapsed can play a role in how you viewed your past actions.
It's not my place to say whether your behaviours were indicative of ASPD or not... But you may have qualified with Conduct Disorder, due to the age in which those violent acts were performed. If you were abused or had traumatic experiences, those often result in otherwise nice kids doing really mean things. Monkey see, monkey do!
I totally get where you're coming from, though. Just recently I sent for my school behavioural records to see if I was as bad/problematic as I was made out to be.

[RogueWolf]

well I'm 30 now and still have a problem with anger, yes I understand that environment can be part of why kids act out but the thing about that is violent environments can create anti-socials or physcopaths lol. I tend to appear very normal cos I have my own code of behaviour and I value things like manners which my generations doesn't generally have- most of the are stupid, lame, pathetic, fronting cnts to be honest. I do have ptsd but I have always had a bad streak- I channeled a lot of my aggression into property damage rather than hurting people cos you get in trouble for that and also I'm quite a small person so I learned quickly it's not that easy for me to fight anyone the way ur general stupid ape type brute person does. I'm pretty intelligent which helps but I just can't seem to make life work and I knew I was different at 5. It's weird cos I was also a nice kid- I used to cry for kids in africa starving ect but then I would do things to people around me. an example is something silly- me and a freind bought this picture of a horse it cost like 50cents at swap meet, the deal was we'd share time so i talked her into it staying at my house first but then she did the normal kid whining/crying thing cos she wanted to take it so I agreed with no intention of her taking it. I hung it behind my door and closed door so she would forget about it. I was about 7ish then. I don't know if that is normal for a kid to be that cunning. Also by the age of about 8 I knew my friends didn't like me and just came over cos we had a pool. I am diagnosed with ptsd and cluster b traits, I lived in a richmmond fellowship place n they and a doctor tried to say I was borderline- I hate that it makes me mad as I see borderlines as weak, pathetic *****s (I'm not trying to insult anyone I'm just trying to be honest- thats another thing I think makes me anti-social I see no point in lying to protect people feelings- it helps noone) I thin cos I can be kind people think I'm not anti-social (but then they don't want me at thier parties cos I might scare someone or do something freaky ha ha ha) but anti-socials are human with a range of personalities- there isn't just one kind who are all power hungry and straight out cold. The more I research anti-social the more it fits. I can be good or bad but so can every human even physco's and anti-socials. Ted bundy who I believe was a physcopath, worked at a suicide hotline, how many lives did he save?

[RogueWolf]

I definately would have qualified with conduct disorder if my mother had cared enough to get me tested but she is most likely a narcissist and/or physcopath. She can't see past her own needs, she can't even understand how a child with bad teeth can now blame her cos "you didn't want to go to the dentist"- any person can see how stupid that excuse is, what child do u know who would willingly go to a dentist? She took me fine when she was forced to cos we lived in the city where people would notice her neglect if she didn't but then she moved us to remote place where she basically left me to do as Ipleased barely even making food for me. There was food in the house but I learnt by trial and error and watching other kids and thier families. I used to cook steaks in the microwave and use freezer ice in drinks

[RogueWolf]

also there are a lot of situations where I'm talking to someone and realise I have said something wrong or done a wrong action cos I feel the other person is uncomfortable- I learn things this way. I tend to study people. I'm fascinated with physcology especially abnormal and physcopathy. Also I often get bored when people are talking cos I already know what they going to say and end up cutting them off a lot. I can remember being about5ish and being disgusted that I was human. There are too many things to say here that show me I am anti-social. I am not like others and they can sense it sometimes, even if they don't realise it or why they avoid me.

[RogueWolf]

all that said im not generally violent toward people nor am I power motivated- but nor are all anti-socials. I'm more the sensation seeking type but not big on risks. My mother made me out to be very bad but mostly it was her.And she only she'd that for attention cos if i was so evil then wouldnt i have been sent somewhere and tested? I know I'm different but I'm generally not concerned with hurting others, I'm a hedonisitc type, lazy, fun seeking, hate bordom, dont seek trouble but if someone bothers me im pretty bad especially when drunk but people should just leave me alone, when left alone im fine, its only when they start whinging at me that i break things so whose fault is that really?

[A Red Panda]

You know... your behaviour is your fault, at all times.... you can't choose how you feel about something, but you can choose how you act. So if you choose to break things, that is your fault, not someone else's. Don't blame them for your irresponsible/destructive choices.

Really sucks about your mum though. Mine was the opposite in regards to the dentist though - I spent months as a kid asking to go and it took that long before they finally took me! I think we'd been learning about dental health in school and I wondered why I didn't ever go to the dentist. haha.

[RogueWolf]

Originally Posted by A Red Panda

You know... your behaviour is your fault, at all times.... you can't choose how you feel about something, but you can choose how you act. So if you choose to break things, that is your fault, not someone else's. Don't blame them for your irresponsible/destructive choices.

Really sucks about your mum though. Mine was the opposite in regards to the dentist though - I spent months as a kid asking to go and it took that long before they finally took me! I think we'd been learning about dental health in school and I wondered why I didn't ever go to the dentist. haha.

No it isn't my fault at all when I'm drunk, if you start a fight with someone who is drunk who was minding thier own business when you are not drunk (therefor fully cognative) then it is your fault not the drunk persons so it isn't my fault. I smash sht so I don't harm them.

[RogueWolf]

my mother can not even know that other humans have any needs. She was jealous of me, she was cruel to me, humiliation in front of her friends, hitting, twisting my arms etc but when I finally snap and hit her back she cried to all her friends I was a monster and SHE was scared... yeh right that vicious cnt isn't scared of anything cos she has nothing inside her

[A Red Panda]

It's your choice to get drunk when you know that you get destructive and violent. That's still your fault, and not theirs.

Plus, you said that they were just whinging at you - which means that they're just having a conversation with you and happen to be making some complaints. That isn't picking a fight.

[RogueWolf]

No it is thier fault not mine, I will sit by myself listening to music or playing xbox- they come into MY house or MY space and start *****ing at me- therefore it's THEIR fault not mine. You are a person who likes picking fights, I suggest you fk off. And don't come to this page to bag out anti-social people this is our space not your fk off. You think you're being clever but you're not impressing anyone.

[ocdwifeofsociopath]

I'm sorry that you have had such a hard life. It's clear to me you are very hurt and have strong resentments. It's understandable. It's hard to let go and believe someone can love you when the person who should have loved you the most neglected to do that. When you are ready to deal with the hurt and can give people a second chance to prove they are not all like her i think you will begin to heal and it will be much better. You deserve to be loved... And who you decide to be determines who will love you.

[RogueWolf]

Originally Posted by ocdwifeofsociopath

I'm sorry that you have had such a hard life. It's clear to me you are very hurt and have strong resentments. It's understandable. It's hard to let go and believe someone can love you when the person who should have loved you the most neglected to do that. When you are ready to deal with the hurt and can give people a second chance to prove they are not all like her i think you will begin to heal and it will be much better. You deserve to be loved... And who you decide to be determines who will love you.

I do have a lot of resentment- I can be a real *** cos of it ha ha ha but can't we all? I don't trust many people but thank you for your kind words.

[RogueWolf]

*wonders when panda will realise it is ignored and stop posting to me when i can't see it and have no interest in seeing it* lol- give it up dude- let go- move on I have