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Old Jun 20, 2016, 05:51 PM
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Iīve pretty recently got the diagnosis PDD NOS, that is "pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified" and from the assessment I got a couple of written pages written about my diagnosis out of test results and conversations with psychologist.

Before I went to outpatient care because of depression and anxiety I never thought of having an autismspectrum disorder and neither did my mum or teachers when I was younger. Iīm now 30+.

The WAIS test shows that all is within the normal distribution and nothing else is specified that really tells me "you have such and such difficulties".

The diagnosis has only made me worried and overly tense and Iīm for example afraid Iīll never get a permanent and more qualified employment because of some difficulties I have but arenīt aware of.

I have had jobs, a few friends and so on and what I know of noone has thought of me like being very different or that someone has thought of me as a person who must have a diagnosis. I do not mean to talk in a condescending manner about the AS spectrum, I just tell about my own experiences.

Perhaps someone has some advice or own experience on this?

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Old Jun 20, 2016, 06:26 PM
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The hard thing about having problems one is not aware of, is that it is sometimes hard to understand what something even IS if it is not in your natural thinking. If you have areas with difficulties it might also mean you are blind to those areas. If so, someone needs to try their best to explain to you how you differ from "normal" people.
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Old Jun 22, 2016, 08:21 PM
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Hello. For me, I'm surprised they told you PDD-NOS because in the new DSM, they combined all the autism diagnosis to just autism spectrum disorder.

But anyways, generally, PDD-NOS usually means you don't fully fit a criteria for one of the DSM-IV autism diagnoses, so you must have some social difficulty like not understanding social cues as an example. And also having some restrictive and repetitive behaviours. If you don't have the restrictive and repetitive traits, you can think of social communication disorder, which is just the social difficulty part. Many people with PDD-NOS fit this criteria better. There is so many combinations I can think of. If you aren't clear on why you were diagnosed with something, ask the doctor to clarify. I'm sure they will do it. I was just recently diagnosed ASD - level 1. I know how the reports aren't always easy to understand. I'm just lucky my intense interest is mental health so I figured out how to read my report.

For me, I figured out I probably had ASD on my own. I had speech delay, which is a clear trait. I have always not had many friends. I find it hard to understand people and social norms like what's so big about being valedictorian and stuff? I am trying to figure this out. It was me who thought of this. Anyways, I'd ask your doctor to clarify. Hope this helps .

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Old Jun 23, 2016, 04:50 PM
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In Sweden ICD is used. The next ICD is likely going to follow DSM in how autism is seen, but that is years ahead. In the meantime, things like Asperger's and atypical autism (PDD) still exist.
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Old Jun 23, 2016, 05:10 PM
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In Sweden ICD is used. The next ICD is likely going to follow DSM in how autism is seen, but that is years ahead. In the meantime, things like Asperger's and atypical autism (PDD) still exist.


Didn't know this. Thanks for telling me.

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Old Jun 23, 2016, 06:20 PM
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Thanks. Yes, Iīve thought about this "blindness" and Iīve several times hinted to my T that Iīm worried and that I feel like suddenly I canīt trust myself. But she, she also works with clients with a full asperger diagnosis, has never told me something like "we canīt do this and that because of your difficulties". Hard to know I guess.

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The hard thing about having problems one is not aware of, is that it is sometimes hard to understand what something even IS if it is not in your natural thinking. If you have areas with difficulties it might also mean you are blind to those areas. If so, someone needs to try their best to explain to you how you differ from "normal" people.
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Old Jun 23, 2016, 06:23 PM
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Thanks for explaining. Yes, they are referring to the DSM IV code and also ICD 10 so itīs some kind of combination that tells me PDD NOS. Nothing of what you say is specified in my written diagnosis, Iīm not saying youīre wrong but that whatīs difficult, they never told me more specifically about the meaning of the diagnosis.

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Hello. For me, I'm surprised they told you PDD-NOS because in the new DSM, they combined all the autism diagnosis to just autism spectrum disorder.

But anyways, generally, PDD-NOS usually means you don't fully fit a criteria for one of the DSM-IV autism diagnoses, so you must have some social difficulty like not understanding social cues as an example. And also having some restrictive and repetitive behaviours. If you don't have the restrictive and repetitive traits, you can think of social communication disorder, which is just the social difficulty part. Many people with PDD-NOS fit this criteria better. There is so many combinations I can think of. If you aren't clear on why you were diagnosed with something, ask the doctor to clarify. I'm sure they will do it. I was just recently diagnosed ASD - level 1. I know how the reports aren't always easy to understand. I'm just lucky my intense interest is mental health so I figured out how to read my report.

For me, I figured out I probably had ASD on my own. I had speech delay, which is a clear trait. I have always not had many friends. I find it hard to understand people and social norms like what's so big about being valedictorian and stuff? I am trying to figure this out. It was me who thought of this. Anyways, I'd ask your doctor to clarify. Hope this helps .

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Old Jun 23, 2016, 06:25 PM
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Interesting. Why is it years ahead before ICD is to follow the DSM? What will happen, will "everyone" just be seen as being on the autism spectrum or will there be different "levels" as today?

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Old Jun 23, 2016, 06:42 PM
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Hello. I found the criteria under the ICD 10 for Pervasive Developmental Disorder. Here it is:

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F84
Pervasive developmental disorders
A group of disorders characterized by qualitative abnormalities in reciprocal social interactions and in patterns of communication, and by a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of interests and activities. These qualitative abnormalities are a pervasive feature of the individual's functioning in all situations.

Use additional code, if desired, to identify any associated medical condition and mental retardation.
F84.0
Childhood autism
A type of pervasive developmental disorder that is defined by: (a) the presence of abnormal or impaired development that is manifest before the age of three years, and (b) the characteristic type of abnormal functioning in all the three areas of psychopathology: reciprocal social interaction, communication, and restricted, stereotyped, repetitive behaviour. In addition to these specific diagnostic features, a range of other nonspecific problems are common, such as phobias, sleeping and eating disturbances, temper tantrums, and (self-directed) aggression.

Autistic disorder
Infantile:
autism
psychosis
Kanner syndrome
Excl.:
autistic psychopathy (F84.5)
F84.1
Atypical autism
A type of pervasive developmental disorder that differs from childhood autism either in age of onset or in failing to fulfil all three sets of diagnostic criteria. This subcategory should be used when there is abnormal and impaired development that is present only after age three years, and a lack of sufficient demonstrable abnormalities in one or two of the three areas of psychopathology required for the diagnosis of autism (namely, reciprocal social interactions, communication, and restricted, stereotyped, repetitive behaviour) in spite of characteristic abnormalities in the other area(s). Atypical autism arises most often in profoundly retarded individuals and in individuals with a severe specific developmental disorder of receptive language.

Atypical childhood psychosis
Mental retardation with autistic features
Use additional code (F70-F79), if desired, to identify mental retardation.
F84.2
Rett syndrome
A condition, so far found only in girls, in which apparently normal early development is followed by partial or complete loss of speech and of skills in locomotion and use of hands, together with deceleration in head growth, usually with an onset between seven and 24 months of age. Loss of purposive hand movements, hand-wringing stereotypies, and hyperventilation are characteristic. Social and play development are arrested but social interest tends to be maintained. Trunk ataxia and apraxia start to develop by age four years and choreoathetoid movements frequently follow. Severe mental retardation almost invariably results.

F84.3
Other childhood disintegrative disorder
A type of pervasive developmental disorder that is defined by a period of entirely normal development before the onset of the disorder, followed by a definite loss of previously acquired skills in several areas of development over the course of a few months. Typically, this is accompanied by a general loss of interest in the environment, by stereotyped, repetitive motor mannerisms, and by autistic-like abnormalities in social interaction and communication. In some cases the disorder can be shown to be due to some associated encephalopathy but the diagnosis should be made on the behavioural features.

Dementia infantilis
Disintegrative psychosis
Heller syndrome
Symbiotic psychosis
Use additional code, if desired, to identify any associated neurological condition.
Excl.:
Rett syndrome (F84.2)
F84.4
Overactive disorder associated with mental retardation and stereotyped movements
An ill-defined disorder of uncertain nosological validity. The category is designed to include a group of children with severe mental retardation (IQ below 35) who show major problems in hyperactivity and in attention, as well as stereotyped behaviours. They tend not to benefit from stimulant drugs (unlike those with an IQ in the normal range) and may exhibit a severe dysphoric reaction (sometimes with psychomotor retardation) when given stimulants. In adolescence, the overactivity tends to be replaced by underactivity (a pattern that is not usual in hyperkinetic children with normal intelligence). This syndrome is also often associated with a variety of developmental delays, either specific or global. The extent to which the behavioural pattern is a function of low IQ or of organic brain damage is not known.

F84.5
Asperger syndrome
A disorder of uncertain nosological validity, characterized by the same type of qualitative abnormalities of reciprocal social interaction that typify autism, together with a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of interests and activities. It differs from autism primarily in the fact that there is no general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. This disorder is often associated with marked clumsiness. There is a strong tendency for the abnormalities to persist into adolescence and adult life. Psychotic episodes occasionally occur in early adult life.

Autistic psychopathy
Schizoid disorder of childhood
F84.8
Other pervasive developmental disorders
F84.9
Pervasive developmental disorder, unspecified
Maybe the above will help you figure out some stuff about you? And anyways, I'm assuming the ICD checks the DSM to make sure everything makes sense. Also, the ICD doesn't have an "anxiety disorders", it's called Neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders. But the conditions are basically the same. Have you considered asking them? Hope this helps .

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Old Jun 26, 2016, 06:00 PM
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I think it is hard to know what will be in the next ICD. It's not even supposed to follow DSM, but it has sort of become a slave. It's a shame really, cuz then why use it at all?

When DSM upgraded there were a lot of discussions and the idea was that the concept of autism had become too wide and needed to be narrowed. What happened instead was that, they were so displeased with the first official draft that the final product actually had widened the concept of autism!

So that tells me maybe not be too sure to what will happen with ICD. Maybe it will keep Asperger's and PDD? But no one thinks it will happen. ICD-11 is meant to be published in two years. It already takes longer than planned, but the same happened when DSM upgraded. It took forever. But those things are peer reviewed so... slow is the nature of it.

When it comes to atypical autism/PDD it will vary from case to case if it is seen as autism, if ICD goes the same path as DSM, meaning getting rid of all subtypes of autism and instead grade the severity from 1 to 3.

I like parts of it like I always wanted a severity thing with all things diagnosed really! Not just with autism. I mean say when I had my really worst depressions, I got the diagnosis of depression, now I have mild depression, and the diagnosis for that is... depression. Like, seriously?

I think maybe you need to be upfront with your treatment provider and ask them if they think there is stuff they think you don't "get". I mean it can hurt to hear it but at the same time it's really good to know! I know a lot of my own quirks but some had to be shown to me. I didn't really feel hurt deep down, because my foundation that is I was born aspie and I was always what I am, I'm not a lesser being, I still dream large!
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