"Mind Over Matter"

Look, had the biological theory had no basis in fact, medications would have been no more effective than placebo in clinical trials. Why are many medications more effective than placebo? Is there magic at work?? There must be some rational explanation.
Clearly there are many factors at play, and the biological one is a big one. The thing is, people who accept the biological cause theory also accept that the environment plays a role, but the reverse is not always true as we can see here.

Brains are chemical and electrical organs. Chemicals and electricity and magnets will effect them. What's so difficult to get? It's why we shouldn't take other peoples scripts- pills do something!

So are you ok Renner? Have you tried to talk to the friend again? I really hope you're able to get throught to him.

I don't think the chemistry MATTERS all that much.

And as for drugs? Some of them are no more effective then placebo. And well... they "work" because they ARE mindaltering subtances, hence alter how you feel. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.
If it works for you great... but it makes me sad to see how people flock and dismiss power of their own mind and trust some damn pills more than they trust themselves.

Yes, we are biological beings. In fact all feelings could be broken down to chemistry and neurons. But god save us from the day they start selling love and anti-love pills.

doooh... but it's not positive always.

Also... since food is "chemical" it does things too



Renner... I really don!t think your friend meant harm. Maybe you should try to talk it calmly with him (if it's not something they heart on TV in 3 minute report, eh).

totally agree with you.. that frustrates me loads!

do this, do that, and you will be cure.. almost like they are trying to work a bit of magic... it's stupid

You might not think that chemistry matters, but the evidence suggests otherwise. What drugs specifically do you have in mind that are no more effective thAn placebo? I know I do not take such drugs - why would I? I do not take sugar pills - there is research and proof behind everything that I take.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/29365.php - Geodon way more effective than placebo in stopping acute mania or mixed state.

I think when people suggest to try this or that it is actually not that they think it's a cure. It's that they are trying to help. It's very hard to watch or hear about people suffering and not try to help. There are ways we can help ourselves.

If we want understanding we have to also show understanding. Yes some people are ignorant, which is lack of knowledge in most cases I think. If we let it get to us to much we become closed too.

The thing with the meds is that everyone's body chemistry is slightly different. And yes, this is also true with food. Once again my work with diabetes shows this.

The effect of potatoes on blood sugar should be static for all people, right? Well, it isn't. Patient A will report extreme elevation even with eating 1 spoon of potatoes, so must avoid them like the plague. Patient B does not have the same problem. In fact, potatoes raise glucose, sure, but not that bad. So this patient has potatoes 3 times a week, no problem. However, patient B cannot eat any type of rice (including brown rice and long grain rice,) without a major spike in blood glucose. How does that make sense? Shouldn't all food effect everyone the same? No, it doesn't. Because yes, it is chemical, and yes we all individually respond differently to chemicals.

So, it is the same with meds. With vitamins. With water. With food. With soda. With artificial sweetners. Everything.

So, that's why different meds and combos do not work for everyone. But it's true of all meds. Metformin is not for everyone. Victoza is not for everyone. Even people are allergic to insulin. How crazy is that? Our body makes insulin! But something in it people are allergic to.

hmmmm.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...edicalresearch

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...pressants.html


What about detenté? I have my dope, you have yours. Everybody lives. Everybody is happy.

magical thinking frustrates me, too!

That AD's are less effective than AP's is true.

"The media should continue to follow this complicated debate and report on it responsibly, making certain not to overhype the "power" of placebo and, as a consequence, the "powerlessness" of antidepressants. " http://www.srmhp.org/0201/media-watch.html

This is same as what psychiatry mainstream western medicine says.

Everyone here has the same bp dx within varying degrees of intensity/severity. We've all come here for support. And so to support the others like us as well. Don't let how someone handles their treatment get in the way of what we really need here, which is support and understanding for each other.

I've always liked about this group that some people treat bp this way, some treat it that way. There is not a right/wrong way. There is perception and what has/ has not worked for you. But we're still a group, and we still have a home here.

There is a saying about what bothers you most about others' has the most to teach you about yourself. I like this saying, something I've worked on for years and may never master.