Is Drinking Necessarily a Bad Thing?

shortandcute · Jan 23, 2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hamster-bamster

Regarding "sex addict saying "I'm only a sex addict when I sleep with married men, but not when I sleep with guys who only have a girlfriend."" in the post above...

I am not sure if sex addiction exists or has a good definition if it does, but I am positive that the relationship status of sexual partners cannot have anything to do with this definition. Addiction should have something to do with daily functioning. So, if you run a company and sleep with your CFO's wife or girlfriend, that is not addiction, it is a personal choice - why, because you are still able to run the company, so you are still highly functional. And if you sleep with your competitor's board member, still not addiction, because it does not interfere with your daily functioning. The relationship status of your partner is irrelevant.

An example from MW: "His life has been ruined by heroin addiction." (my emphasis).

So the keyword is RUINED. Not functional.

I know it is at best tangential to the discussion, but when I see something that is off to THAT EXTENT, I comment

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I was trying to make a point. And as a recovering sex addict, I can honestly say, yes sex addiction can interfere with daily functioning. I know from personal experience on that one! But the point I'm trying make is that if you have a problem with something, it is a problem always, not just sometimes. Then suddenly not one when its convenient, like when you feel like drinking a few beers with your meds.
MY sex addiction DID ruin my life and interfere with my daily functioning! In fact, I am still suffering the conseqences from it even tho its been a long time for me. So no, it is NOT OFF--unless you are willing to say that there is no such thing as alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, etc.

BlueInanna · Jan 23, 2013, 11:44 PM

My son's pdoc actually compared my son's sky high blood meth level to "the occasional amphetimine user, who perhaps only uses on the weekend" because my son was obviously using extreme amounts and obviously an extreme addict. ... I laughed, thought he was joking, but apparantly it's a thing. Not everyone becomes a meth addict.

hamster-bamster · Jan 23, 2013, 11:44 PM

And here is probably the best sex therapist in this country, who is also a brilliant writer with an awesome sense of humor, Marty Klein, PhD, on why sexual addiction is not a useful dx at all.

http://www.martyklein.com/why-sexual...hy-it-matters/.

So do not use the term in such a care-free manner. At least, we know that alcohol addiction exists.

hamster-bamster · Jan 23, 2013, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shortandcute

I was trying to make a point. And as a recovering sex addict, I can honestly say, yes sex addiction can interfere with daily functioning. I know from personal experience on that one! But the point I'm trying make is that if you have a problem with something, it is a problem always, not just sometimes. Then suddenly not one when its convenient, like when you feel like drinking a few beers with your meds.
MY sex addiction DID ruin my life and interfere with it! In fact, I am still suffering the conseqences from it even tho its been a long time for me. So no, it is NOT OFF--unless you are willing to say that there is no such thing as alcoholism, drug addiction, eating disorders, etc.

I was precisely making the point that alcoholism exists and I am very unsure about the existence of sexual addiction as a helpful term, see article above, but even if it does exist, what characterizes it is the ruining of life, and you confirm it. Married/unmarried partners has absolutely no significance. Since when does morality figure in the DSM?? You need to be able to construct your arguments in a logical manner.

shortandcute · 12:17 AM

wow--we're really getting off the point here--im not sure why you're so bothered by this, hamster-bamster. i'm not going to retract my statement just because you're irritated by it. lets get back on topic shall we? perhaps you can deny sex addiction on a different forum? The question here was whether or not certain meds were ok to have with alcohol--not whether or not you agree that sex addiction exists!
if that bothers you so much--look on the addictions forum, and one of the sub-formus is sex addiction; if you are so bothered by this, perhaps you can go on there and dispute it!
(p.s. "married" or "unmarried" was not the point, either-the point was either you're addicted to something or not-including alcohol. there is no such thing as being an alcoholic on certain occasions, or only an addict on certain but not one on others-you either ARE or you AREN'T. THAT WAS MY POINT. If you don't agree with that (the sex addiction) this is not the question or forum to debate that)

hamster-bamster · Jan 24, 2013, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by shortandcute

wow--we're really getting off the point here--im not sure why you're so bothered by this, hamster-bamster. i'm not going to retract my statement just because you're irritated by it. lets get back on topic shall we? perhaps you can deny sex addiction on a different forum? The question here was whether or not certain meds were ok to have with alcohol--not whether you agree that sex addiction exists!

I cannot believe that I am repeating it again... REGARDLESS of whether it exists, your example was way OFF.

Meaning, IF it exists, your example does not fall within any logical definition of this term.

My point about morality not being part of DSM applies THROUGHOUT, not just to sexual behavior.

BlueInanna · Jan 24, 2013, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by shortandcute

wow--we're really getting off the point here--im not sure why you're so bothered by this, hamster-bamster. i'm not going to retract my statement just because you're irritated by it. lets get back on topic shall we? perhaps you can deny sex addiction on a different forum? The question here was whether or not certain meds were ok to have with alcohol--not whether you agree that sex addiction exists!

No, that wasnt really HP's question, read past the first post. She made it VERY CLEAR she knows mixing certain meds (klons) with alcohol is a big no-no.

And you brought up sex addiction, fair game. Great article Hamster. I do think that sex addiction is a thing, but agree with author of that article that it's the extreme cases that are truly sex addicts.

shortandcute · Jan 24, 2013, 12:26 AM

hamster, you obviously did not understand my point!!! go on the sex addictions forum and dispute it there; and blueinana, i see what you mean--but the point i was trying to make to hamster-bamster was that my original point was not whether or not sex addiction exists or not--and not whether morality plays into the DSMor not! and why is my example such a big deal to you? If you had really read my post, you would have known that I was trying to say that someone is either an addict or not, not just when its conveniant. Now please stop and go on the sex addictions forum if you wish to contine arguing about this!

Vibe · Jan 24, 2013, 12:54 AM

Drinking isn't necessarily a bad thing. When done responsibly, drinking can be just fine.

When it gets to the point of addiction then it's obviously a bad thing. If it's having a negative impact on your life, then it's a bad thing.

This doesn't happen to everyone, so alcohol isn't necessarily bad. Seems like a pretty straight forward concept.

BlueInanna · Jan 24, 2013, 01:16 AM

Vibe comes in on page 11 and makes it so simply explained lol

HP where are you ? Did you check in hospital, are u home now? Love ya honey girl

Speed3 · Jan 24, 2013, 07:27 AM

I am assuming everyone posting on here is bipolar. I am assuming most of you are taking psychiatric medications. I am going to say using first hand knowledge,
that you could mix your meds one day with alcohol and all is well. Don't think that will always be the case.

As I have said before my mom drank with her Psyc meds every day until..
That day when doing the same thing killed her !!!!

Most recently you probably know my son died of a heroin overdose. In August before he had his first overdose he said to me, Mom don't worry about me I am a careful heroin addict I will never die.

Psyc meds,alcohol, heroin all drugs. Careful , Yes you should be careful, but I have seen were careful has lead. To the death of two of the most important people in my life !!!

This thread makes want to throw up and punch some walls !!!!!!!!

venusss · Jan 24, 2013, 09:07 AM

Everybody is bipolar, yes... but that the rest is really assumption.

I know at least four people not on meds. So for me interactions are moot point. The warning goes mostly for benzos anyways (and I think if you abuse benzos, it's another issue). And we all have our vices.

And sorry, you are judging. We all can go "oh, you drink? How horrible!". See how easy it is? How about "psych meds? You are weak!". Equally easy. Or "you wanna die at times? YOu have problems with relationships? You eat too much? Avoid doing things that need to be done? what are you... a human?".

And yet, a lot of junk food, or microwave dinners will probably whack your mood worse then one glass of wine or beer. And there are people who died of bad food habits.

Not even talking people killed by psychdrugs.

In the end, we are adults, and we do often take choices, sometimes risky ones. in the end it's up to us.

Speed3 · Jan 24, 2013, 09:25 AM

Think I will go punch those walls now!
And throw up too !

Hey Jason if you could what would you tell these people ? Is there Alcohol and drugs and reckless behavior in HEAVEN ???

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Speed3 · Jan 24, 2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by VenusHalley

Everybody is bipolar, yes... but that the rest is really assumption.

I know at least four people not on meds. So for me interactions are moot point. The warning goes mostly for benzos anyways (and I think if you abuse benzos, it's another issue). And we all have our vices.

And sorry, you are judging. We all can go "oh, you drink? How horrible!". See how easy it is? How about "psych meds? You are weak!". Equally easy. Or "you wanna die at times? YOu have problems with relationships? You eat too much? Avoid doing things that need to be done? what are you... a human?".

And yet, a lot of junk food, or microwave dinners will probably whack your mood worse then one glass of wine or beer. And there are people who died of bad food habits.

Not even talking people killed by psychdrugs.

In the end, we are adults, and we do often take choices, sometimes risky ones. in the end it's up to us.

For the record I didn't judge anyone or anything. I just talked about personal experience. What do you think is a judgement ? Honestly I don't understand anything you are saying. It makes no sense to ME.

venusss · Jan 24, 2013, 11:18 AM

I am sorry I trigger you, but... yes, I do feel you are judgemental to all who don't 100% abstain.

I think I do make perfect sense. What doesn't make sense to me is that you keep coming back, telling us how triggered you are... again and again and again.

Jan 24, 2013, 11:30 AM

Venus...hey be a bit gentle huh?

she is goin' through something that you and I are not.

therefore she gets more latitude than us..

and when the time comes which I hope it doesn't...I don't want that...do you?

consider it fortunate that it don't make sense

Speed3 · 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VenusHalley

I am sorry I trigger you, but... yes, I do feel you are judgemental to all who don't 100% abstain.

I think I do make perfect sense. What doesn't make sense to me is that you keep coming back, telling us how triggered you are... again and again and again.

What comment tells you this ? My husband drinks, My brother drinks . I use to drink.
Are you doing some kind of projection.

Also you totally missed the point. I was trying to express caring and concern through my horrid experiences. Sometimes a message has to be blunt to do this . I don't want anyone else to die on here or anywhere. I care about all of you on here, you are my fellow travelers through bipolar.
I don't judge the fact that you drink, I just care about your health and life.

I am going to ask DOC JOHN to comment on this subject.

I keep coming back again and again and again just like you do. If you have problem with me
Why don't you just come out and say what is really bothering you. You have been nasty to me from the first post I ever made and it wasn't on this thread.

venusss · Jan 24, 2013, 12:14 PM

um, where was that? I am trying to be helpful too. But yes, I am blunt. But eh. I am never "nasty".

Speed3 · Jan 24, 2013, 12:19 PM

Again again again again again and again
Please go jump on someone else. I am not in the mood for it.

venusss · Jan 24, 2013, 12:29 PM

and I am not in mood for accusations of being nasty.

Jan 24, 2013, 12:38 PM

Venus I don't usually do this I'm kinda protective of her right now I know and believe you aint nasty thats not the thing here...

it's a different thing...you aint nasty..

just crossed wires a little thats all.

these things happen ....

I will equally support you if and I hope you are not...suffering like she is right now

Trippin2.0 · Jan 24, 2013, 12:48 PM

Whoa Whoa whoaaaa!!! TIME OUT LADIES! Speed, I've known Venus for years, she doesn't have a nasty bone in her body, Venus, Speed wasn't being judgemental, she's just trying to prevent more senseless deaths. Speed,if this thread triggers you, it is your responsibility to keep away, and keep yourself safe, not attempt to silence the discussion, now I suggest you 2 stay out of each other's hair until you understand each other...

Trippin2.0 · Jan 24, 2013, 12:51 PM

Hugs to both of you (even though you're not a fan of them Venus) Just trying to smooth things over, I meant no malice in my above post

ss

venusss · Jan 24, 2013, 01:17 PM

I'm sorry.

I just felt judged for my ways and that can set me off.

Speed3 · 01:49 PM

I am sorry. I am mad at the world today. I want Jason back. I just thought this thread had died. It was frustrating to see it back. I just think maybe other topics should be given more attention.

I still feel my thoughts are valid I have overdosed multiple times on alcohol and numerous types of meds. I am not Judging anyone. It still surprises me that I am still alive and it took me so long to figure out drinking wine for me always ends up in an overdose.

I apologize for all bad comments I made.

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