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Old May 04, 2013, 01:33 PM
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BipolaRNurse,

Eight years ago I had to quit working as a courier. I'd been doing it from 1992 and I loved it. On the road all day, sometimes local, sometimes going to NJ, PA or NY. Even with the up and down earnings(the busier you are, the more money you make)it suited me. No boss, no office and every day was a new adventure. But running on adrenaline finally caused my rapid cycling to come flying back like a boomerang. After I left, I worked part time as a store merchandiser, setting up displays and for a couple of years worked part time in a nutritionally oriented pharmacy until they needed to reduce staff because of cash flow problems. Every year, though, I got sicker and by 2010 I could barely work. In 2011, applied for SSDI and got it in two months.

You do whatever you have to do to hold on to your sanity. As others have said, with your experience and skills, you're in a good position to find employment in a less stressful environment. And, you can work even if you get SSDI. I don't recall the name of the program, but you continue to get your full monthly check and you'll have Medicare. The evaluation period is for nine months. I thought about it but I'm only taking Klonopin because nothing else works and it's pretty p*ss poor. I wish you the best and don't let things drag you down. I'm there, and along with a dysfunctional marriage, life is so-o-o great, lol.
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I can relate to your job being a part of how you define yourself. I was a social worker my whole life before going on disability due to my illness. Like nursing, there is never a day in social work that is not stressful. I am taking classes now to take me in a different career direction, but don't know that I'll ever be able to work 50 and 60 hour weeks like I used to.

I was a damn good social worker, and I enjoyed that people appreciated me. I now feel like I don't serve much purpose sometimes, but on my better days I don't listen to that self talk.
I was in basically the same line on work.
I was a mental health social worker for a
large comp. last spring I had a panic attack
at work. My PCP helped me find a pdoc, both
wrote a note for me to be off work.
I applied for short term disability and was
denied. I had started going to therapy
and she wrote me a note too. My first
dx was adjustment dx with mixed anxiety
and depression. I was told I could stay off
work BUT without PAY. I spoke with the
disability comp and they would not change
their mind. I told them my pdoc warned me I
could snap at work and hurt someone, that it would
be best for the decision be overturned.
A meeting was scheduled for me, the comp
accommodations rep and my therapist.
The day of the meeting I received a call
telling me I was fired. I filed for my
unemployment and won.
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Old May 04, 2013, 02:12 PM
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It is CRAZY what they get away with!!! Really wrong

We have a small corp, my office manager came to me recently asking for Tuesday afternoons off - after 3pm so she could go to therapy. She said she tried hard for another time, i shushed her and said Of Course!!! She is on salary and making up the hours at other times.

Then the other day she asked me to talk privately, she said she knows her stress doesn't match mine, being that if we went out of business I lose everything, she just loses her job, but with the business troubles she's been on verge of a breakdown. She loves her job and our company and has been so scared. Her T wants her to try a depression med. I didnt share my dx, but let her know a little about meds, that i've tried some depression meds this and that, they can sometimes help, and that I support her which ever she chooses, and I'm open to talk to her anytime. She was so thankful and it was a really good feeling. She then texted me how much her therapist is helping her with a smiley.

If you have the energy, don't let them get away with doing this to you - it's so unethical and illegal (I think).
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Old May 04, 2013, 02:49 PM
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Sorry you're going through all this added stress. Were you going to qualify for short term disability at work?

Do you work in an "at will" state?

I'd talk to a lawyer to get info, but think hard before going forward with a lawsuit.

At this point you can still move forward with another employer in the future.

I work in Home Health care. There are lots of positions for RN's that are not patient care. We have RNs that do intake, QA, paperwork jobs with low stress.

Don't give up on that RN degree yet. You're experience and degree are very valuable in today's work place. We hire people in their mid-age and older all the time.

In our area there's a nursing shortage and RN's can bargain easily for what they will and won't do.

I will be praying for you.

(Also, check with you're MD. At 55 you could be menopausal which can make the BP extreme.)

I'll pray for you.
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Old May 04, 2013, 07:07 PM
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I'm well past menopause.......had my last period when I was 47, so it's definitely not hormonal. Thank God!!

Glad to hear some agencies are still hiring older nurses. I just need to find one in my area. I'd love to work in hospice, but there's a requirement for night shift and I've been outright forbidden to work nights by both my family and my pdoc, because it destabilizes me quickly and it takes me days to recover.

I'm actually looking at a position with the Red Cross collecting blood donations. I haven't done phlebotomy in years, but I could certainly re-learn the skill, and I wouldn't have to deal with people on a long-term basis. I'm great at making small talk and making people feel comfortable with invasive procedures, plus I don't mind traveling some (especially since they pay for hotels and meals). I think I could handle this.
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Old May 04, 2013, 07:10 PM
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See, you'll find another job. That Red Cross sounds much more stable for you.

I know you'll find work in the field you love.
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Old May 05, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Long story short, I'm finally going back to work after being out on medical leave of absence for almost 3 weeks. We have had some very challenging times at my assisted living facility over the past few months, and the stress of it finally sent me over the edge into what ladies of a certain vintage used to call a "nervous breakdown".

IOW, I freaked out. Badly. Anxiety attacks so severe that I was eating Ativan tablets like Skittles. I could barely function. Couldn't sit still, couldn't focus, couldn't find my arse with both hands and a traffic cop directing signals. I've had anxiety attacks before, but these were the worst I've ever had in my life. I hid it pretty well from my boss and the staff, mainly due to my inability to be found most of the time (spent a lot of it walking around outside or huddled in the bathroom). Bottom line, I went to my pdoc the Friday after this horrible week and he gave me the choice of either taking time off NOW or going inpatient.

I've settled down now and am pretty much ready to go back (thank you Klonopin and the 2 1/2 weeks enforced 'vacation'). Today I had my follow-up appointment and got my release to return to work, with a few accommodations for my bipolar disorder and anxiety (although he didn't give me an additional dx since he thinks the anxiety is a part of the BP). Of course, now my company will know the whole truth about my illness, and my fear is that they'll somehow use it against me in the future.

Needless to say, this is frightening because I'm almost 55 years old, the economy still stinks, and nobody seems to like hiring older workers, especially not in the nursing profession. It's because our experience forces employers to pay more and we tend to be less physically able to handle the stresses of nursing. Then you throw a mental health problem into the mix, and what you have is a chronically unemployed nurse.

Disability isn't an option; I'm simply not THAT bad off, and I agree with my pdoc that staying home ruminating would only make things worse, not better. But up until recently, I've been quite successful despite having BP, mainly because no one knew about it. I've never made a huge secret of my diagnosis, but only my immediate supervisor and a handful of other managers knew for sure; now everyone in the company hierarchy will know. I can explain away the sudden departure on 'vacation' to my staff and residents (I wasn't feeling well and took some time off to get better---they don't need to know what sort of illness befell me). But here I am, known in my community as a vocal advocate for the mentally ill....and yet I'm ashamed to admit to my superiors that I'm bipolar.

Work is integral to my sense of self; nursing isn't just what I do to pay the bills, it's a huge part of who I am. And I'm afraid of losing that part of me before I'm ready to hang up my stethoscope for good.

If you made it this far through my whiiiiiine, thanks for reading.
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Old May 06, 2013, 12:13 PM
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Old May 06, 2013, 09:36 PM
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I got fired today.

I knew it was coming. I was going to turn in my notice anyway, but the powers that be got there before I did.

Still not sure how they can do an end run around ADA.......although I was fired for being unable to do the job anymore, I was unable to do the job because of the stress levels which were due in part to my mental illness. I know they have lawyers who figured it out somehow, but I'm certainly curious as to how they did it.

I'm relieved in a sense. There are too many residents with too many problems for one nurse to manage well, and I just got overwhelmed. It's been sucky for the past six months, and I knew it wasn't going to get any better anytime in the NEXT six months. I'd have wound up going inpatient within weeks if I'd stayed on, and that is obviously not a desireable option.

Thank you all for being here. I'm glad somebody understands this stupid illness and what it does to a person.
I encourage you to check into ADA requirements. I know you don't have a long time to submit your claim. When I looked into it years ago I found that I had waited too long. I was a professor at a state university and was off for 1 1/2 semesters on medical leave. When I returned my Dean and the head of HR met with me and told me I would have to sign a statement in order to return to work. It said that I would not disclose my diagnosis or symptoms to any faculty, staff or students or I would be fired. I wanted so badly to come back that I signed the statement but I really think/thought it was illegal. I still would like to know but it is really useless. I only lasted a few weeks and went on medical leave again which turned into disability permanently. I was lucky because I had disability insurance so I still have a decent income.
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Old May 06, 2013, 09:45 PM
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I can do small part time jobs here and there. But I don't sleep enough with my bipolar disorder to be able to work full time. No shame in being sick if you really are sick.
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Old May 06, 2013, 11:27 PM
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Had a good, productive session with my pdoc today, and he told me he believes I absolutely CAN continue to work as a nurse, as long as I stay away from the 24/7, management-type jobs where you're never able to get away completely and can't leave work AT work. He says my bipolar does constitute a disability, but I am not disabled. There's a big difference. And I'm good with that.........I really DON'T want to be seen as "ill", and I don't want it to get in the way of finishing up my career on a good note.
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Old May 07, 2013, 12:07 AM
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Wow, I'm angry for you! You give them years of quality work, and then you get sick and they fire you because of your illness?! Not fair, not fair at all.

Good luck finding another job as an RN. I know you can do it!
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Old May 14, 2013, 11:56 PM
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Long story short, I'm finally going back to work after being out on medical leave of absence for almost 3 weeks. We have had some very challenging times at my assisted living facility over the past few months, and the stress of it finally sent me over the edge into what ladies of a certain vintage used to call a "nervous breakdown".

IOW, I freaked out. Badly. Anxiety attacks so severe that I was eating Ativan tablets like Skittles. I could barely function. Couldn't sit still, couldn't focus, couldn't find my arse with both hands and a traffic cop directing signals. I've had anxiety attacks before, but these were the worst I've ever had in my life. I hid it pretty well from my boss and the staff, mainly due to my inability to be found most of the time (spent a lot of it walking around outside or huddled in the bathroom). Bottom line, I went to my pdoc the Friday after this horrible week and he gave me the choice of either taking time off NOW or going inpatient.

I've settled down now and am pretty much ready to go back (thank you Klonopin and the 2 1/2 weeks enforced 'vacation'). Today I had my follow-up appointment and got my release to return to work, with a few accommodations for my bipolar disorder and anxiety (although he didn't give me an additional dx since he thinks the anxiety is a part of the BP). Of course, now my company will know the whole truth about my illness, and my fear is that they'll somehow use it against me in the future.

Needless to say, this is frightening because I'm almost 55 years old, the economy still stinks, and nobody seems to like hiring older workers, especially not in the nursing profession. It's because our experience forces employers to pay more and we tend to be less physically able to handle the stresses of nursing. Then you throw a mental health problem into the mix, and what you have is a chronically unemployed nurse.

Disability isn't an option; I'm simply not THAT bad off, and I agree with my pdoc that staying home ruminating would only make things worse, not better. But up until recently, I've been quite successful despite having BP, mainly because no one knew about it. I've never made a huge secret of my diagnosis, but only my immediate supervisor and a handful of other managers knew for sure; now everyone in the company hierarchy will know. I can explain away the sudden departure on 'vacation' to my staff and residents (I wasn't feeling well and took some time off to get better---they don't need to know what sort of illness befell me). But here I am, known in my community as a vocal advocate for the mentally ill....and yet I'm ashamed to admit to my superiors that I'm bipolar.

Work is integral to my sense of self; nursing isn't just what I do to pay the bills, it's a huge part of who I am. And I'm afraid of losing that part of me before I'm ready to hang up my stethoscope for good.

If you made it this far through my whiiiiiine, thanks for reading.
if you dont need disabiity then whats the problem? why dont you work harder on it. You think bp 2 is bad ?
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Old May 16, 2013, 12:17 PM
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if you dont need disabiity then whats the problem? why dont you work harder on it. You think bp 2 is bad ?
As a matter of fact.......yes.

Judgmental much?
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Old May 16, 2013, 07:25 PM
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Had a good, productive session with my pdoc today, and he told me he believes I absolutely CAN continue to work as a nurse, as long as I stay away from the 24/7, management-type jobs where you're never able to get away completely and can't leave work AT work. He says my bipolar does constitute a disability, but I am not disabled. There's a big difference. And I'm good with that.........I really DON'T want to be seen as "ill", and I don't want it to get in the way of finishing up my career on a good note.
My position as Assistant Manager was eliminated as part of a series of lay-offs here a couple of years ago and I went back to direct patient care. I was devastated at first, but it was actually one of the best things that ever happened to me. The stress was too much for me, and it was 24/7, pager on all the time, always fires to put out, mountains of paper work, etc. I had a very hard time with it. It was not good for me. At all.

I'm glad it happened too because I don't know how long it would have taken me to admit it to myself (or god forbid, get let go). I had made the logical 'move up' to management in my career after 10 years of patient care and it meant a lot to my self-esteem, and the need to believe that I was capable of it was so important to me. Yes, my job now is technically a 'step down' but for me personally, it has been a 'step up.' It's best for me and that's what is important. When I leave work, I leave work and I don't have a million responsibilities. Plus direct patient care is far more fulfilling to me. When I first started to realize that this was much better for me, I felt ashamed, but I accept it now.

I've come to think that having a job (or maybe responsibilities in general) that we can truly handle is part of self-care. Kudos to you, bipolarnurse! I have so much admiration for nurses, I'm glad you will be able to remain in your career and have such great perspective on it!
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Old May 16, 2013, 07:42 PM
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I had only read the original post when writing my reply, had not seen the rest.

I'm so sorry!!

I've been looking into the ADA and job accommodations lately for my situation and they can get around it. Job accommodations only apply if the employer thinks you are capable of doing the job (only with certain accommodations), so if they use language like 'not capable' then that's it. Even when it comes to accommodations in general, if they can prove it would cause too much 'hardship' (or some such language) for the employer then they don't have to grant it.

Nonetheless, I think you have a really good attitude about this, though I know it must be so hellish right now. I know you're very angry now, but I think it might be best to put that job behind you and not get into the legal aspects of what happened. I've been told that asking for accommodations early in the game protects you (potentially) from such things, so now you know for the future (I'm only discovering this stuff now).

As your pdoc said, you *are* capable of being a nurse! You just need to find a job with a level a stress that you can handle. I know the job situation sucks right now, but so many places are still hiring nurses even when the rest of the economy isn't doing well. I think you can do this. Even if starting out part-time to get your feet wet, and getting back into it little by little.



It occurs to me to add, that some of this seems to have been due to an enormous amount of anxiety. Do you think that addressing this aspect of things (in therapy/with meds) might help you?
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Old May 16, 2013, 08:25 PM
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Thank you, ultramar. You've assessed the situation very well and are spot on. At this point I really don't want a "career" anymore---just a job that I can handle, do good work every day, and leave at the door when it's time to go home. I don't want to get attached to people, I don't want to be responsible for and have so little authority over a large department, and I DEFINITELY don't want the 24/7/365 on-call status.

Yes, my stress levels were stratospheric during the last few months I worked at my last job, so the anxiety figured into this entire cluster F, big time. Unfortunately, it was all part of this massive mixed episode I've been in for weeks, which I didn't fully understand until yesterday when I finally got fed up with all the crying/anxiety/paranoia/irritability/agitation/crazy thinking/insomnia.

I called my pdoc and hollered for help. So he spent the next 20 minutes explaining this phenomenon---bless his heart, that was 20 minutes of free psychotherapy---and then told me to double up on my AP to help get the mania under control. I literally could not tell if I was manic or depressed, and was actually leaning toward depression because of the crying jags, but he said I was actually experiencing a dysphoric mania. Shows you what I know, LOL.
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Lamictal 500 mg
Levothyroxine 125 mcg (rx'd for depression)
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