[comicgeek007]

I'm wondering because while at one point I thought I was feeling an effect from my meds, now I don't. And because jerkface pdoc said there's no med that helps for more than a few weeks for bipolar and depression stuff... this from the guy who doesn't believe in bp2, but he still has a hell of lot more education than I do.

I have to see him again in a few days, too. Couldn't ind another temp pdoc. I don't know how I'm gonna deal with being put down by him again. I feel like he's gonna notice I've actually gained weight despite my near-constant (and yes, I know, unhealthy) efforts to lose it and call me fat again. I regret eating dinner at all and I wish I hadn't waited to get rid of it.

And my little sister was making fun of me today for being able to fit in her old - smaller - bras.

I really wish I had a high enough pain tolerance to cut out all the fat myself. I would do it in a heartbeat and sew it up neatly, too.

I'm not even sure where I was going with this thread anymore...

[wildflowerchild25]

Originally Posted by comicgeek007

I'm wondering because while at one point I thought I was feeling an effect from my meds, now I don't. And because jerkface pdoc said there's no med that helps for more than a few weeks for bipolar and depression stuff... this from the guy who doesn't believe in bp2, but he still has a hell of lot more education than I do.

well that's totally false. there are many people who have been successful on the same medication for months and years. your pdoc is a real ahole.

as for the fat, you know you can't cut it out :-( and i am sorry you feel that you need to. i hope he doesn't say anything untoward to make you feel even worse.

[Confusedinomicon]

I've taken the same dose of lithium for 1 1/2 years now. I do raise the dose during periods of elevated mood, but its only for 2ish weeks and typically once a year. I don't know if it works/doesn't because I've been medicated since 19 and Im going on 24.

[comicgeek007]

I guess I need different meds then.

Speaking of which, I should take them this morning, but that would require eating. Guess I'll take them later in the day when I eventually give in to hunger.

I don't have a scalpel, either.

[ultramar]

And because jerkface pdoc said there's no med that helps for more than a few weeks for bipolar and depression stuff

This of course makes no sense whatsoever. I feel like maybe this is lacking context: what exactly did he say and in what context?

[ultramar]

Originally Posted by comicgeek007

I guess I need different meds then.

Speaking of which, I should take them this morning, but that would require eating. Guess I'll take them later in the day when I eventually give in to hunger.

I don't have a scalpel, either.

Did you change your mind -do you want to go back on meds? Because if you still don't want meds then I don't see why you need to see a pdoc to begin with?

Is your regular T helping you with eating disorder issues? I think the important thing is that you get help for this, regardless of what this pdoc says. In any case, the treatment, as I understand it, is therapy, I doubt he could help you with it either way?

[comicgeek007]

Originally Posted by ultramar

Did you change your mind -do you want to go back on meds? Because if you still don't want meds then I don't see why you need to see a pdoc to begin with?

Is your regular T helping you with eating disorder issues? I think the important thing is that you get help for this, regardless of what this pdoc says. In any case, the treatment, as I understand it, is therapy, I doubt he could help you with it either way?

I'm not even sure what I want other than to be skinny and stable. If meds are actually helping, I'll deal with them, but the problem is my current ones aren't.

As for the previous post, my dad had asked what the long term outlook for meds working was, and the pdoc said that after a few weeks, the meds for depression and bp1 (he doesn't believe in bp2) work the same as the placebo.

[ultramar]

Originally Posted by comicgeek007

I'm not even sure what I want other than to be skinny and stable. If meds are actually helping, I'll deal with them, but the problem is my current ones aren't.

As for the previous post, my dad had asked what the long term outlook for meds working was, and the pdoc said that after a few weeks, the meds for depression and bp1 (he doesn't believe in bp2) work the same as the placebo.

So this pdoc doesn't believe in meds -period?

pdoc said that after a few weeks, the meds for depression and bp1 (he doesn't believe in bp2) work the same as the placebo.

Actually, I don't understand this. This would mean that they do work for the first few weeks and then stop working. When they actually take a few weeks to begin to work in the first place. Is it possible that he said/meant that those who feel better during the first few weeks of taking these meds are feeling better due to a placebo effect, since they don't actually take effect until a few weeks later? This would actually make a lot of sense. I would clarify this with him the next time you see him, because if it really was what you quoted, he was in the midst of a stroke, and although possible, it's highly unlikely.

[comicgeek007]

Originally Posted by ultramar

So this pdoc doesn't believe in meds -period?

He seems to think the drug companies are evil, at least. And meds might as well be stopped after about 2 months, always.

[Confusedinomicon]

Try to make a routine around your medication to get yourself to take it. Like every night I take my meds and immediately brush my teeth/hair and wash my face before climbing into bed. If I don't take my meds I tend to skip brushing my teeth which alerts me that I forgot something.

I think you need to talk to your t about the eating issue. Medication cannot make you feel confident in your skin or allow you to eat without guilt. Those thoughts will not absolve themselves because you're taking medication. It's something you have to come to terms with. Learning to cope with the triggers and working on medication treatment (So you're taking stuff that doesn't trigger you) would probably be the most beneficial.

Having your t send notes to your permanent t may help, too. That way they can continue the treatment course that you're currently working on.

[adj2013]

You need a new doctor he is a jerk

Sending prayers your way! I have a 19 yr old daughter with an eating disorder also. It's a daily struggle!

[comicgeek007]

Originally Posted by Confusedinomicon

Try to make a routine around your medication to get yourself to take it. Like every night I take my meds and immediately brush my teeth/hair and wash my face before climbing into bed. If I don't take my meds I tend to skip brushing my teeth which alerts me that I forgot something.

I think you need to talk to your t about the eating issue. Medication cannot make you feel confident in your skin or allow you to eat without guilt. Those thoughts will not absolve themselves because you're taking medication. It's something you have to come to terms with. Learning to cope with the triggers and working on medication treatment (So you're taking stuff that doesn't trigger you) would probably be the most beneficial.

Having your t send notes to your permanent t may help, too. That way they can continue the treatment course that you're currently working on.

I'd gotten much better about my meds at about the same time every night, i was really hard at first with the switch to summer schedule. It just doesn't feel like they're doing anything.

I have been talking to him, but yesterday around the time of the OP the depressed feelings hit me like a ton of bricks and that always just makes it worse.

That I will for sure do.

[Confusedinomicon]

Did you touch on anything in the appointment that you found triggering? That made you feel really uncomfortable...?

[comicgeek007]

Originally Posted by Confusedinomicon

Did you touch on anything in the appointment that you found triggering? That made you feel really uncomfortable...?

Yes. And that's when temp T gave me a lis of different pdocs to call. None of them were taking new patients so I'm stuck with the one who thinks bp doesn't exist and therefore there's no way to treat it with meds.

[Confusedinomicon]

Honestly, if anything is triggering to anyone it will make them depressed. If you touched on something that was triggering in therapy then it's a normal reaction to feel depressed because you haven't learned how to cope with it. [which is what you're doing in therapy]

Unless it's like a benzo, things that trigger you will trigger you despite medication consumption. I tend to be really sensitive towards social situations until I get used to them. I literally turn into a wall flower and wish myself to disappear or cry because I feel like I can't do something. It usually takes me a few tries before I can manage the situation without feeling like the world is judging me. I felt the same way about my size, too. I couldn't shop for over a year after I gained 15 lbs without crying because I felt so guilty for how huge I'd gotten. Meds can't stop it from happening because you're still capable of thinking and feeling.

Getting a new pdoc is a given, though. The one you're seeing sounds horrible. :\

[comicgeek007]

Originally Posted by Confusedinomicon

Honestly, if anything is triggering to anyone it will make them depressed. If you touched on something that was triggering in therapy then it's a normal reaction to feel depressed because you haven't learned how to cope with it. [which is what you're doing in therapy]

Unless it's like a benzo, things that trigger you will trigger you despite medication consumption. I tend to be really sensitive towards social situations until I get used to them. I literally turn into a wall flower and wish myself to disappear or cry because I feel like I can't do something. It usually takes me a few tries before I can manage the situation without feeling like the world is judging me. I felt the same way about my size, too. I couldn't shop for over a year after I gained 15 lbs without crying because I felt so guilty for how huge I'd gotten. Meds can't stop it from happening because you're still capable of thinking and feeling.

Getting a new pdoc is a given, though. The one you're seeing sounds horrible. :\

wait a minute, which appointment? The one I had on Friday wasn't bad. It was a few appts ago that we talked about me needing a different pdoc. And I can't get one because there isn't one I know of in the area that's taking patients.

I don't even know anymore. I wonder if taking all the meds I have would actually do anything to me.

[Victoria'smom]

Ask if you can take your meds at night doing this helped me so much. Please take everything this guy says with a grain of salt. He doesn't seem to be fit for this field.

As far as long term meds I think that's a personal choose. I would like to completely leave the mental health system within the year, but that wont happen. I think my meds space out my mood swings. I would not say I am close to stable on my meds but I choose to take as little medication as possible can and work with my therapists on staying out of hospital.

[ultramar]

Hi comicgeek --you may have missed the below because I ended up adding it later to an old post. I'm wondering if you think it's possible that there was a misunderstanding? Maybe you could ask your father what he heard?

pdoc said that after a few weeks, the meds for depression and bp1 (he doesn't believe in bp2) work the same as the placebo.

Actually, I don't understand this. This would mean that they do work for the first few weeks and then stop working. When they actually take a few weeks to begin to work in the first place. Is it possible that he said/meant that those who feel better during the first few weeks of taking these meds are feeling better due to a placebo effect, since they don't actually take effect until a few weeks later? This would actually make a lot of sense. I would clarify this with him the next time you see him, because if it really was what you quoted, he was in the midst of a stroke, and although possible, it's highly unlikely.

[comicgeek007]

I guess there could have been a misunderstanding. I can ask the pdoc on tuesday. My dad thinks the same as I do, for what it's worth.

[~Christina]

If the Pdoc did indeed tell you these things ... You need to report him to the state medical board , as in right now... Really, right now.

Hopefully your sessions with the T are helpful to you. I would think the main goal right now would be working on triggers and establishing goals to help with your ED which in turn will lessen some of the anxiety and mood issues.

Just my opinion.

[moremi]

I agree with christina. This pdoc needs to be turned in. He is only a doctor that should be following the guidelines of the dsm or whatever the book is that clearly stated there are more than one bp and its his job to provide you with medications to help your illness. Its absurd for him to have told you he doesn't believe in bp or medicatons. Where the hell did he get his degree? Wow sorry but he sounds like a quack I would demand a mad change and if he doesn't help you turn him in because he isn't doing his job to help your mental illness.

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[Otter63]

There are so many bad pdocs out there it just amazes me. But a pdoc that doesn't believe in meds?? That is beyond bizarre! Prescribing meds is their job. You'd be better off with a GP than this guy!

[ultramar]

Originally Posted by ~Christina

If the Pdoc did indeed tell you these things ... You need to report him to the state medical board , as in right now... Really, right now.

Hopefully your sessions with the T are helpful to you. I would think the main goal right now would be working on triggers and establishing goals to help with your ED which in turn will lessen some of the anxiety and mood issues.

Just my opinion.

I agree with all of the above. I really would double-check with the pdoc as to what he meant about placebo effect, not because it's offensive (or not) but because it just doesn't make logical sense. But if it turns out to be what you think, then he is quite a crackpot. Do you know anything about his credentials?

As Christina, I think therapy can be hugely helpful to you. Perhaps medication will help at some point (I think now you're tapering off the old meds per your pdoc's recommendation?) but the medication itself seems to cause you a great deal of anxiety and further muddy the waters as to what is going on with you. A good therapist can do wonders, I wish you the best.

[ultramar]

Originally Posted by moremi

I agree with christina. This pdoc needs to be turned in. He is only a doctor that should be following the guidelines of the dsm or whatever the book is that clearly stated there are more than one bp and its his job to provide you with medications to help your illness. Its absurd for him to have told you he doesn't believe in bp or medicatons. Where the hell did he get his degree? Wow sorry but he sounds like a quack I would demand a mad change and if he doesn't help you turn him in because he isn't doing his job to help your mental illness.

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For the record (and not saying this is okay), the pdoc said he didn't 'believe' in BP II, he only believes in the existence of BP I.

Which actually brings up an interesting point, did he not think meds would work for *you* personally aside from as a placebo effect, comicgeek, because he does not believe you have a mental illness (as he said), but he would in fact, for example, medicate BP I? Maybe he was complaining about over-medication (re evil pharma companies) in general, but not that nothing should be medicated? It's just all so bizarre, I guess I'm looking for some logical sense to all of this somewhere. Maybe things can be clarified, either way, next time you see him.