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Old Feb 29, 2016, 05:47 PM
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I am wondering if one of my meds is making it way to easy to sleep through the whole day. At first I thought it was depression but I have been in a good mood recently. Sunday I got home early at 2 pm fell asleep and woke up Monday at 7 am. I woke up a couple of times throughout the night but fell back asleep easily. I have done this in the past since I have been medicated. I get up when I have to (I.e. Work) but if I don't have to I'm asleep. Does Latuda do this to you for anyone taking it?
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Old Feb 29, 2016, 06:03 PM
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I'm on 60mg as well and it makes me sleep 10-11 hours a day on average. On some days, I'll get 13 hours. It's pretty sedating for me, so nope, you're not alone.

My pdoc wants to put me on Lamictal and lower my Latuda dosage because the sedation from Latuda is too much.
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Old Feb 29, 2016, 06:14 PM
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I'm on 60mg as well and it makes me sleep 10-11 hours a day on average. On some days, I'll get 13 hours. It's pretty sedating for me, so nope, you're not alone.

My pdoc wants to put me on Lamictal and lower my Latuda dosage because the sedation from Latuda is too much.
Grrrr maybe I should of mentioned it to my doc. I'm actually at 80 and she might increase it as she is tapering me off Wellbutrin.

Do you feel like if you have something to do you can get up?
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Old Feb 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
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Grrrr maybe I should of mentioned it to my doc. I'm actually at 80 and she might increase it as she is tapering me off Wellbutrin.
Yeah, I would definitely mention it to your doc. My pdoc was concerned that 10-11 hours a night is too much. He said to aim for 8-9 hours a night.

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Do you feel like if you have something to do you can get up?
Not really. I have a hard time waking up.

If I wake up and I don't get my 10-11 hours, then I end up taking a nap midday no matter what I have to do. That's when I get about 13+ hours of sleep.

I'm fortunate enough that I can work from home if need be, so that's how I can take a nap midday.
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80mg knocked me down on my *** (butt). I slept pretty much the entire day after taking it, but it took me a lot longer to fall asleep than usual.

40mg helped me with sleep and I had no side effects.

60mg, which is what my pdoc currently has me taking has increased my agitation, makes it harder to fall asleep, and I sleep less as well...so I'm unhappy with it, but I'll deal with it for a few more days until I see her again and we can talk about it.
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I've never Tryed Latuda.
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They just bumped me to 120, it definitely gives me good notes sleep but doesn't seem to make me tired all day. I just went to 120 during inpatient stay 2 weeks ago so it doesn't seem to have kicked the depression, will see what happens at this dose

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Gosh...wish it had that side effect! Sleep would be nice. I'm on 80 and no side effects.
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I enjoy 40. I've always been a heavy sleeper. boogie are you already tapering Welbutrin?
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Yeah, opposite for me after first two days, and of course I had to go off of it after two weeks due to Akathesia.
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It didn't make me even yawn ... But... made my brain felt like it was in a taffy machine.

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Hmm I've been looking for a new AP that helps sleep. I researched geodon and wanted to try that but now I'm curious about Latuda. My current seroquel totally pooped out on me but my current hypo isn't helping!

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Latuda has quite a high elimination half-life. It is also not (probably, yet) indicated for BP, but only schizophrenia.

I'd suggest you try an antipsychotic with a shorter half-life. Quetiapine (Seroquel and generics), for example.

As a general rule, I would, if possible, always use a generic med. There is relatively little information/studies available for non-patent-expired meds. Off-label use of an antipsychotic for BP is generally also a good indicator: they wait till the patent expires for schizophrenia and then go on to BP.

As a sidenote: they have done a similar thing with valproate. There is generic for use with convulsions and another, Depa*, for BP.
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Latuda makes me sleep 8-10 hours on only 20mg. I couldn't imagine being on a higher dose.
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Hmm I've been looking for a new AP that helps sleep. I researched geodon and wanted to try that but now I'm curious about Latuda. My current seroquel totally pooped out on me but my current hypo isn't helping!

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Geodon definitely made me sleep!! I had to take it all at night because no matter how little I took in the morning I'd be knocked out within a few hours of taking it. At 40mg Latuda helped my sleep, but at 60 it's actually making it worse. Zyprexa also helped me with my sleep, and with the Zydis version, I didn't gain any weight.

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Latuda has quite a high elimination half-life. It is also not (probably, yet) indicated for BP, but only schizophrenia.

I'd suggest you try an antipsychotic with a shorter half-life. Quetiapine (Seroquel and generics), for example.

As a general rule, I would, if possible, always use a generic med. There is relatively little information/studies available for non-patent-expired meds. Off-label use of an antipsychotic for BP is generally also a good indicator: they wait till the patent expires for schizophrenia and then go on to BP.

As a sidenote: they have done a similar thing with valproate. There is generic for use with convulsions and another, Depa*, for BP.
Actually, Latuda is indicated for bipolar.
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Ok sorry, didn't check for the FDA, just the UK.
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Old Mar 02, 2016, 10:26 AM
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I enjoy 40. I've always been a heavy sleeper. boogie are you already tapering Welbutrin?

I am tapering now but I had this never ending sleep before and it was during a depressive episode.
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Old Mar 02, 2016, 02:23 PM
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Grrrr maybe I should of mentioned it to my doc. I'm actually at 80 and she might increase it as she is tapering me off Wellbutrin.

Do you feel like if you have something to do you can get up?
I wish to know the reason for tapering off Wellbutrin.
I'm considering it as my AD.
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Old Mar 02, 2016, 06:43 PM
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Hey, all. Latuda saved me. I was resisting being hospitalized due to bipolar and halucinations. My pdoc started me on Latuda and it was pretty quick that my symptoms resolved. I'm also on lamictal, pristiq, and amitryptiline. Hallucinations mostly gone and mood swings are mild. I didn't have any side effects at all. LOVE LATUDA!!!

If latuda isn't working for you, definately let your pdoc know so hopefully you are able to find something that works for you as latuda worked for me. Often it is just trial and error until you find the right med.

Sounds like you have tried many of the non-med interventions. Walking helped me once I added it to my schedule. When it was something I would do whenever, then I never did it. I had to schedule it into my day and think of it as part of my routine before I got regular at it.

Hope some of these ideas help you and others.
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I wish to know the reason for tapering off Wellbutrin.
I'm considering it as my AD.
Tapering me off due to anxiety.
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Old Mar 02, 2016, 09:34 PM
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I was on Latuda 60mg with a slight sleep side effect, it made it really hard to get up in the morning. I thought it was Trazodone but once I came off Latuda that side effect went away and I'm up within 15 minutes of my alarm going off now vs the hour it was taking.
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Now is the time to make Japanese pharma more humble! They are resisting the openness of critical information/money trail!!

(They are not open about the money that's given to doctors and politicians, and I do not like that. US, and the Europe are the big markets for them, and when their patents for the new drug are up, the drug comes to Japanese market if it's approved, then our tax money pays for the drugs for the brand name, yet again.

The quest for the real cures for any diseases are not lucrative for pharmaceutical companies, along with the new mechanizations of the processes used by developing new drugs, they are struggling in their businesses, they too know all too well that their previous business model of coming up with new drugs every few years and sending it to the market isn't working as it once was.

Abilify is another one from Japanese pharma if I remember correctly, please go find FDA approved generic ones instead, I'm serious, please consider the responsibilities of picking the right psych meds for the sake of future schizo/bipolar patients.)

Boycott Latuda! (There are other antipsychotics to choose from!)

They are making drugs that don't cure, they are not working enough on the mechanism of MI, instead, they are after big blockbusters like the Latuda still is for them. They've done it before, "Ooops, we didn't know about these side-effects because the clinical trials were too short!"

Please think about the real side effects of psychopharmacology, where you spend your money counts. Let's bring them down now!! Japanese government is too ***** to tackle this problem, they need to be taught good ethics and I believe you can help.


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Old Mar 03, 2016, 08:32 AM
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Now is the time to make Japanese pharma more humble! They are resisting the openness of critical information/money trail!!

(They are not open about the money that's given to doctors and politicians, and I do not like that. US, and the Europe are the big markets for them, and when their patents for the new drug are up, the drug comes to Japanese market if it's approved, then our tax money pays for the drugs for the brand name, yet again.

The quest for the real cures for any diseases are not lucrative for pharmaceutical companies, along with the new mechanizations of the processes used by developing new drugs, they are struggling in their businesses, they too know all too well that their previous business model of coming up with new drugs every few years and sending it to the market isn't working as it once was.

Abilify is another one from Japanese pharma if I remember correctly, please go find FDA approved generic ones instead, I'm serious, please consider the responsibilities of picking the right psych meds for the sake of future schizo/bipolar patients.)

Boycott Latuda! (There are other antipsychotics to choose from!)

They are making drugs that don't cure, they are not working enough on the mechanism of MI, instead, they are after big blockbusters like the Latuda still is for them. They've done it before, "Ooops, we didn't know about these side-effects because the clinical trials were too short!"

Please think about the real side effects of psychopharmacology, where you spend your money counts. Let's bring them down now!! Japanese government is too ***** to tackle this problem, they need to be taught good ethics and I believe you can help.

There's no reason to boycott a perfectly good medication. Latuda is one of the best medications I've been on, and actually, the one that's worked for me the longest. Sure I could be on generic Seroquel, but even at 800mg/day, eventually it stopped working. Zyprexa's another one where I was on a generic but it made me gain 35lbs in 2 months! That's much worse IMO than anything Latuda might do!

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Tapering me off due to anxiety.
Yeah, I've heard is activating. And produces bad temper.
Now I hear from you about the anxiety. What a complicated condition.
I was attracted to it because it works on dopamine.
My xanax was reduced to 1mg a day. So back to the drawing board.
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The company that makes the medication is desperate and unethical. That was my point.

Anyhow I was a bit inaccurate to say that the disclosure of financial gift to doctors/politicians was not open was not correct. It was done a year later after the plan was in place. At this point, Japanese pharma has too much power, when the medication get introduced to Japanese market, if you aid that company, that'll hurt the whole psych field from patients point of view in Japan.

I browsed the figures of those pharma sponsored speech and how much those doctors has been paid and it is ridiculous. And since these actions are, which I believe, to be done by those pharmaceutical companies own volition by the pressure from the government, it is still a relatively a new idea for anyone that's concerned.

"Japan's Takeda agrees to pay $2.4B ln in diabetes drug suit"

That is a headline from USA Today, that is the company that developed Latuda.

The drug and the chemical compound itself is not bad, as you say, it may be a good medication and its formula is still protected under the patent and the extra money goes to the profit of the said company. They delayed the process of the disclosure for a year, and many doctors are on the side of the pharma, therefore the most important patients care get neglected. CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS!

While you maybe able to wait, or choose another company's medication, you still choose to pick the one that is right for YOU! What if FDA or APA were to be getting tons of money from the maker of Latuda, how would you feel?

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Sure I could be on generic Seroquel, but even at 800mg/day, eventually it stopped working.
And is anyone asking why?

The Latuda that is working for you right now won't probably be a godsend years down the road, that was made by the company, just some humans. By looking at their track record or current position in the market, they are not giving **** if that's gonna keep working for someone like you with MI.

All I'm saying is that anyone who's taking or considering taking this particular brand of drug can be aware of what I'm trying to tell and make a wise choice for the future. They resisted to follow the ethical business practice that we require just a few years ago. Any Japanese companies are like that. I'm not saying all of them but when it comes to human health, this is dead important matter to consider. They may have researchers/clinicians to develop next gen drug that might help you or the others, they do not need your money right now.

More to the point, all the money we spend on psychiatric medication, especially on branded ones should go to another research field that is not tied to pharmaceutical companies. Aren't the generic ones supposed to work the same by the way? If many patients find them different to the original ones, why aren't we discussing that? Maybe there are some discussions already, someone can point me to the right direction in that case.

But I say this, all too often, I hear the branded ones are better here on PC. Japanese medical providers are in recent years pushing for generic drugs, and new ones are not easily approved, we have much less off-label uses for psych pills. Where do they find a more profitable market?

To everyone, please reconsider which medications to add to the mix of the cocktails. Thank you.

ETA: The money trail of the Japanese pharma is not printable! This news paper company barely managed to collect the datas/figures because these companies opened those figures for limited time only for the consideration of doctors. When I was still seeing a pdoc years ago, there was a ballpoint pen for me to use courtesy of drug company. I pointed that out to this lady doctor and she had a face who didn't understand the point. We could ask for better care, doctors and medications with our decisions!

I didn't mean to hijack this thread but it looks like that's exactly what I'm doing. The awareness of the market force. That is a good thing to remember when it comes to the branded medications. Are you sleepy yet? It's my bed time, g'night.

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