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Old Mar 26, 2016, 03:37 PM
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I will repost the questions for the Psychometrics game and the ways you might predict answers and correlations.

In all seriousness, the aim is to come up with a way to do differential diagnoses for many if not all disorders with the same set of questions. So, if a few care to take part we might really, eventually, get a small, valid and reliable instrument to provide better care sooner for many like us with mental distress and/or (dis)inhibition, unfreedom.

Such a thing could save lives.
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Old Mar 26, 2016, 08:24 PM
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Due to DST, I will repost the questions and instructions later as well as my predictions.

The prediction round will be extended by 48 hours.
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 04:55 AM
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How to answer?
A stepwise procedure for answering and conditions or context:

Conditions:
- answer the questions from your experience without reference to periods of depression, unusually high anxiety or psychosis (including mania, if applicable) and not with reference to unusual outside circumstances;
- if your answer would be highly variable over time, even after considering the first condition, give an average/mean of all the scores/answers you could give, given your entire life thus far.

Steps to come to a score for each of the answers:
- start with 0 as your score;
- iff (only if) a question describes something that is more true for you than for most others, as far as you can tell, add 4 to your score;
- iff a question describes something that you find characteristic for you, add 2.
- iff a question describes something that you find more characteristic for you than most other characteristics you have, add 1.

If you feel you should deviate from this procedure to give a better, still more honest, answer, do so.

How to predict?

Conditions:
- all conditions previously mentioned apply;
- you predict what most other people with the same symptoms/syndrome/diagnosis as you would most likely answer, taking an average, as good as you can.

You may use the stepwise procedure for answering the questions for yourself, but applied not to yourself but to most of those that share your symptoms/syndrome, on average, as good as you can predict.

How to predict correlations?
There many correlations possible (45), so you may just predict some. I will give you a weighed score based on the strength of the correlation (don't mind the statistics). The normal strength will get you 8 points. Weak correlations will mean less points, stronger more points.

For any correlation you want to describe, please use the following notation:

[Q] -> [Q], for a normal/positive correlation (if the one answer is an high number, it is likely that the other is high as well).

[Q] -< [Q], for an inverse/negative correlation (if the one has a high number, the other likely has a low number and vice versa).

[Q] >-< [Q], for no correlation (a "pure chance" that the one is similar or dissimilar to the other; purely random).

Where [Q] is something like Name_4 or Icare_7.

Answer notation
Please use something like the following to describe your answer:
QuestionnaireId_2: 6
QuestionnaireId_3: 3


The order of your answers matters not.


That's it!
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 04:59 AM
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- how important do you find routine?
- how important do you find freedom?
- how important do you find clarity?
- how important do you find music?
- how important do you find works of fiction?
- how important do you find proof?

- how easily are you distracted by things in your surroundings?
- how easily are you distracted by new ideas?
- how easily are you distracted by unwanted thoughts?
- how normal would you consider yourself?


Please use a "Icare_[1..10]: [1..8]" in predicting/answering, starting with "Icare_1: ".
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 04:35 PM
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Recursive correlation notation
To use a less fine-grained notation for correlations, you may treat [Q] to be either something like Prefix_5 or some of the correlation notation previously described, e.g.: [Q] -> [Q], but with the new, extended notation for [Q] as here described.

In other words, you may use it recursively, like with arithmetic or algebra (or formal logic), such as "4 + 3 * 2".

So you might reduce your correlation predictions to three formulae/"lines", to still describe all correlations. Just easier and it may give you time to describe some multivariate (the effect of a few answers taken together being as strong as another answer) correlations succinctly and more explicit (but you don't have to). You may (therefore) use brackets/parentheses.

A comma may be used to represent the operator used last ("->", "-<" or ">-<") with the preceding question identifier ([Q]), starting a new formula/rule.

Similarly, prefixes may be omitted: the prefix used last is implied. Both can be used with referents across formulae/rules/"lines".

One of the easiest possible examples is really very easy (some of this might sound as rocket science, which is not very dissimilar ):
"Icare_1 -> 2, 3, 4
5 -< 6, 7, 8
9 >-< 10"
means that the first five answers are similar in "behaviour"/tendency, answers/scores 6, 7 and 8 have a "behaviour" opposed to answer/score 5 and answer 9 and 10 are as likely as not to show a(n) (inverse) correlation, their "behaviour" being predicted to be independent of one another.

As an alternative, you may just use natural language to describe all correlations. As a psycho linguist (space intended), I'd even prefer that (but don't be fooled, natural language can be more tricky than you think: very many have tried to capture it in rules and failed miserably, and all my life's research and work are in aid of solving that puzzle).

I am very much interested to see what people with BP and ASD, respectively, use as language of choice!


I will further post a rationale for this guessing game (it really has a purpose beyond the game aspect) and my own predictions.


Hope you can use my examples (I will give my predictions in both natural language and this notation) as enough information to just predict answers and give your own. I will further try to tell you why tomorrow, detailing the reasons behind this prediction (apart from possible fun, would you believe it).
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 07:29 PM
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I'm curious, I can't remember you mentioning it, are you yourself autistic, Icare dixit?
No I am not. I am bipolar myself. However, my father is to such extent (not really on the spectrum: luckily for him he has manageable anxiety, it has only affected others through his behaviour but not really so that he himself suffers or has severe problems) that he taught me to be very rational and rigorous, which is very different from "unaffected"/natural BP. Of course, underlyingly I very much am, but I try to offset these problems with things you are generally naturally good at.

Hope that answers your question.

Edit:
BP is just never fully "unaffected", for no-one: anxiety causes very creative and fast reasoning, but not very rigorous.

Another edit (yes I tend to do that and this is gonna be long! I am always a bit "manic", schizomanic and on not too many meds, please read further):
More specifically, I have been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, bipolar type. Or: schizomania.

I am a psycholinguist.

I live at the crossroads of BP and schizophrenia, I work at the crossroads of the humanities and liberal arts, and the sciences, BP and ASD.

Schizomania and ASD are sometimes very difficult to distinguish. That's why I created/develop this questionnaire (together with anyone who wants comes up with questions or wants to give predictions or personal answers).

Schizomania may be mistaken for ASD, autism for schizophrenia, and vice versa, respectively.

Delusions may be mistaken for an autistic perspective, pervasive interests for goal-directed activity, and vice versa, respectively.

More or less clear insight can be mistaken for both a pervasive interest and an autistic perspective and be regarded as a contraindication for a psychotic disorder.

The wrong diagnosis can delay proper treatment by years

Mostly just by lack of rigour in the description of the syndrome in the DSM, schizoaffective disorder can be diagnosed together with autism spectrum disorder. It is literally a combination of the descriptions of bipolar disorder and partially schizophrenia, but arguably too little of the latter.

A related problem is the controversy surrounding both schizoaffective disorder and (even) the dichotomy between bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (the "Kraepelinian dichotomy").

More and more, it becomes clear that there is so much overlap, both syndromal/clinically and genetically/biochemically, that it may be best considered as one category with as of yet unknown differences in expression and foundation.

I have developed a theory which can describe all disorders from ASD at one end of a continuum, through normalcy, the favourite of all disorders, to, what I call, the psychotic spectrum disorder(s).

I have been misdiagnosed with ASD (then PDD NOS).

I lost many chances, have had ideas of ending it or wishes it would end, many times.

What saved me was having enough insight together with a lot of knowledge.

Still I couldn't express myself clearly (this varies and is worst when I need to most, as is common), but my convictions weren't delusional, I kept them during times of depression, and in time I was able to prove it. It kept me going. It kept me alive.

Ironically, not being delusional brought me the treatment I needed, helping me to not be delusional (to the point it impairs my functioning).

But only after far too many years, I got that care.

Many of those with psychotic disorders have great insight—as in intuitively, but don't have the means to express them with the rigour suited to express such intense depth of impressions, many with ASD may have the means to do just that, but lack a suitable, intense, intuitive or emotional insight.

I know this is a lot of explanation for a simple question, but it very much goal-directed activity firstly, interest secondary. I wonder when this "mania" or "episode" ends.

If just one person reads an understands it, I am one step closer to my goal: freedom, acceptance, care and support, for all, basically.
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 07:40 PM
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- how important do you find routine?
- how important do you find freedom?
- how important do you find clarity?
- how important do you find music?
- how important do you find works of fiction?
- how important do you find proof?

- how easily are you distracted by things in your surroundings?
- how easily are you distracted by new ideas?
- how easily are you distracted by unwanted thoughts?
- how normal would you consider yourself?
haha_1: 1
haha_2: 4
haha_3: 3
haha_4: 3
haha_5: 1
haha_6: 4
haha_7: 2
haha_8: 3
haha_9: 1
haha_10: 2

3 -> 6
8 -> 9
2 -> 4
1 -< 7
5 >-< 10
Thanks for this!
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Old Mar 28, 2016, 03:46 PM
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Rationale behind predicting
Apart from maybe being fun and surprising (if enough people take part in such a prediction round), it also has value in creating better, more reliable and consistent questionnaires.

If I were to ask you "have you ever felt so agitated that you couldn't sit still or was overactive" or "have you ever taken risky chances you later regret", you might grab the DSM and look at the description of bipolar disorder and see "psychomotor agitation" and "excessive involvement in activities with the potential of painful consequences" or see these behavioural characteristics in friends or colleagues with BP, and having already made up your mind, you have should have little problem manipulating the test to get the "correct" results.

That is how many questionnaires are made: just questions that ask you about symptoms that are part of the syndrome—as described in e.g. the DSM. To increase possibilities for measuring if someone is just guessing or manipulating, some questions are rephrased and asked again, but that's it—at the very best.

Since aetiologies of psychotic disorders (and mental disorders generally) are unknown, the disorders being just syndromes, there is no way to test for validity: when someone (subconsciously or deliberately) manipulates the test, there is no way of telling.

Therefore it is important to come up with questions that are what may be called "extra-syndromal" or "trans-syndromal": true for people having the syndrome, but not known to anyone else or at least not strictly associated with the syndrome.

The best way to make sure that is the case is to ask for characteristics that (pretty much) everyone with the syndrome shares with each other—but unbeknownst to them—and to ask for things that aren't apparent or strictly behavioural.

The prediction round is to assess which questions are not strictly associated with the disorder, or each other, by those that have it (making it likely that others are even less likely to make those associations).

The answer round is meant to see which answers answers are validity indicators.

Finding an optimal set of questions is done by taking both validity, independence and reliability into account.

Finally, inverse (possibly/likely multivariate) correlations with answers given by people with other disorders, determines which questions can be used for differential diagnosis.

There are probably far better questions than these 10, so this game/process is cyclic: removing useless questions and adding new ones (like a card game).


Given the small number of predictions so far, the prediction round will be extended further and will end when we have 5 predictions (again, giving correlation predictions isn't strictly necessary).
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Old Mar 28, 2016, 07:35 PM
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- how important do you find routine?
- how important do you find freedom?
- how important do you find clarity?
- how important do you find music?
- how important do you find works of fiction?
- how important do you find proof?

- how easily are you distracted by things in your surroundings?
- how easily are you distracted by new ideas?
- how easily are you distracted by unwanted thoughts?
- how normal would you consider yourself?


Please use a "Icare_[1..10]: [1..8]" in predicting/answering, starting with "Icare_1: ".
Icare_1: 4
Icare_2: 7
Icare_3: 4
Icare_4: 7
Icare_5: 7
Icare_6: 3
Icare_7: 2
Icare_8: 7
Icare_9: 6
Icare_10: 3

Icare_1 -> 3
2 -> 4, 5
1 -< 2
4 -> 5
3 -< 5
3 -> 6, 1, 7
7 -< 8
1 -> 10
7 -> 9
8 -> 9
1 -> 10
9 >-< 10
2 -< 10

The natural language version (or description, maybe some explanation) of the correlations I will do tomorrow or the day after.
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