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I am not a native English speaker, so my writing may sound a bit awkward here and there, so please be generous with it. It would be greatly appreciated
![]() I started smoking pot in my senior year in college. 1st semester, I smoked about 2 months daily, but had no problem. Dosage was relatively moderate. I got good grades, and my social scene was fine. Then I couldn't smoke during the winter break away from the campus, which lasted about 6 weeks. At that time, I was confident that I am not addicted to marijuana, or thought that maybe it just isn't addictive by its nature. Looking back, I believe it made me a bit hypomanic, but not serious enough to cause harm in daily life. Rather, that slightly elated and energized state made me more productive, social, and satisfied. And then, from the beginning of the 2nd semester, I increased the dosage and started smoking about 3g a day, being always high when I am awake. I would skip classes occasionally and my grades dropped, but it was still in B range, so it didn't concern me whole lot. It wouldn't impact my gpa too much and I just had to pass and graduate. However, after smoking pot about 8 bowls in a bong daily for 2 months, I had a full blown manic episode. I wouldn't go in details since it closely resembled what others experienced based on what I've read so far. (in short, I got arrested, hospitalized for 2 weeks, and officially diagnosed as Bipolar I) However, I am still unsure if it was due to the poor diet with loss of appetite (I lost 20 lbs in 2 months), or heavy use of marijuana, or other heavier drug I used. After I've been smoking for 2 months that semester, me and friend of mine had molly when we went to EDM concert in spring. I also smoked pot a lot there. Then 3 days later, manic episode struck me, which lasted about 3 weeks. Afterward, I felt so embarassed about what I've dont during the episode and became very very depressed for about a year. I've been taking meds (e.g. Lithium, buprpion, lamictal), but I have been too depressed to do anything. I wouldn't wash for 3 days, my parents sort of forced me to work out since it will make my mood better, but nothing really worked out to make me feel better. I have digressed enough with my personal story, so going back to the main subject, I was curious what other people with Bipolar I think about drug use relating to the manic episode. I personally believe that marijuana was not a direct trigger since I've been using heavily for 2 months then cut off for a month then smoked more heavily for 2 months before the episode. I've read someone who smoked daily for 3 years then had an episode, but it is hard to believe that it takes '3 years' for marijuana to accumulate in a body to lead into a full manic state. Maybe smoking pot does graually accumulates and takes time to build up to eventually manifest? (even like 2 months to few years?) Or was it the pot that made me sort of 'hypomanic' but it was the molly that blowed me hard enough to push hypomanic to full manic episode due to draining the serotonin and altering the brain chemistry? Back then, I had a relatively high dose of molly, and I had a very negative reaction such as difficulty breathing. No need to say molly had made my mental state very unstable, but my guess is if not misused, pot woudln't worsen symptoms of bipolar serious enough to trigger a full blown manic episode. Please feel free to correct me for any reason. I do know it won't be beneficial overall, but I just think as long as it isn't bad enough to trigger, what should prevent me from smoking in moderate amount? I am recovering from the depression, and I don't smoke as much. Mayba a single hit once every two week (which is almost like nothing). I smoke cigs daily and drink about once a week. So, why not smoke pot responsibly for the sake of self-medicating since I presume it won't trigger an episode. I just feel like it can't be that bad since (1) I am seeing a therapist, (2) taking pills, (3) close friends and parents check my mood often, (4) my weight has recovered to normal range, and (5) even smoking heavily monthly didn't seem to directly trigger in the past. I know all these safe guards could sound like a list of excuses to just smoke pot, but it seems like a safe bet to me. My main concern at this point is to not trigger a manic episode, so I want to know smoking pot would be safe in the current situation. Here are question I'd like to address: 1) Does hymonaic state usually precede full manic state? 2) If so, can medication be adjusted by a doctor during hypomanic state so that it doesn't progress to full manic? 3) Can marijuana instantly and directly trigger a manic episode? Or does it take time to build up and lead to an episode? 4) Is molly more likely to induce psychosis (manic eposide) than pot since it is more psychoactive? 5) Does my logic for safe pot smoking sound any sense at all? I know that even the psychiatrists cannot give a definite answer to those questions, but I just wanted to hear opinions of people who actually went through similar experience. So, what are you opinions on this? Also, thanks for reading, and any addition of random comments would also be appreciated. |
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I've been using marijuana oil for 2 years for chronic and severe pain. 1/2 gram lasts me 10-14 days so I don't use a lot. Amazing success for pain relief. I haven't noticed any effects on my BP. Most medical websites do say that marijuana can cause mania but I haven't experienced it.
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I'm sorry, it's to long for me. Whatever you're using is good stuff. Indica maybe.
MMDA (molly) is way more harmful. If that was your question. |
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Welcome, sanchezalexis!
![]() 1) Yes. 2) Yes, possible, but no guarantees and a lot of variables. It wouldn't be wise to count on it working. 3) No idea. People could probably turn up examples of about anything. Again, a ton of variables, and nothing can be definitively stated. Contounded by the fact that most people won't have that reaction whether long or short term. 4) I'd say yes, more likely. I'm more familiar with someone having the after-effect of depression from MDMA use. Still, I'm inclined to think you are right in suspecting the MDMA as the main culprit in your episode. 5) Yes, I think your reasoning makes sense. Which is not to say any kind of guarantee, simply that it's a reasonable thought process. Two thoughts. Keep consumption in check (Avoid going back to the 3g/day because even aside from any mania concerns, your experience shows it having negative impact on your functioning, even if you didn't consider it too concerning.) And two, indicas would be better than sativas. |
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No doubt, weed is a million times more safe then molly.
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yes but any mood altering substance is generally considered bad for those with bipolar
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Generally speaking yes, but I know many relatively stable BP individuals that use weed. I think it's safer then benzos in terms of controlling anxiety. This is a antecdotal evidence but just what I've experienced.
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I smoke pot before bed to help with leg cramps. It is fine for me unless i am manic.
I haven't taken MDMA for about 7 yrs. Back then I was BP 2. |
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NO, a hypomanic state doesn't usually precede full manic state - you can get completely manic right off. I don't know if marijuana itself can trigger mania, but I'm certain that some of the things that are sprayed on it to adulterate can. Because of this toxic possibility, unless you're getting your pot from a medical source you are at risk and there's no such thing as "safe" pot-smoking. |
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so you're saying you used to think pot is safe when you used to use it when you were diagnosed bipolar II, but after you had an episode, you think it may not be safe as you thought before?
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