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Old Dec 10, 2016, 04:06 PM
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Has anybody else ever read about this. Psilocybin is the active component in magic mushrooms. And supposedly taking a dose that is small enough to just barely or not at all produce psychedelic effects is supposed to be good for alleviating depression.
Now I've had nothing but positive experiences with psychedelics when I was in my drug experimentation years. however I was taking recreational doses to produce full effects of the drug. The first time I took a psychedelic I was 19, and it was LSD. While under its effects was the first time I was able to admit to myself that I had a drug problem and was starting to take my life down a path that I didn't want to tread on. It was a revelation.
Having been on over 20 prescription medications and getting next to no help from them I'm starting to look at alternative treatments that are just starting to be looked at now. micro dosing is one of them. Ketamine is another. I feel I'm at the end of my rope here and this might be the last thing I can try to save me... I'm tired of intrusive negative thoughts, I'm tired of hurting myself to cope with my pain, I'm tired of drinking myself into a stupor to stop my brain from running wild and being able to sleep, I'm tired of my life. and I need a radical change here, and I have faith in psychedelics. this might be my only hope...

What do you guys think about this idea? Read about it if you haven't heard about it, I think it's promising, and something completely new that might actually work.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 04:27 PM
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I'm looking for a med I haven't had before too.
I've probably been on 30+ meds too.
I was already BP as a teenager, so I was always afraid of lsd.
I did try mushrooms once. But one guy locked himself in the guest room and freaked.
I tried Coke once in awhile. It was ok but I couldn't sleep.
Unfortunately my brother became an addict.
The one thing that helped me was opioids. I took them for other problems but they kept me feeling ok. Small doses every 4 hrs. Never needed to increase dosage over the decades of use.
But I'm not suffering now so no MD will prescribe. Opioids have a really bad reputation lately.
I read something on npr about experiments with extasy. It's probably a long way off.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 04:36 PM
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I'll wade in here. I also have had positive experiences with psychedelics. I'd say mushrooms are a safer alternative to trying to micro dose LSD. If you do go down that path, please keep us informed of how it goes.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 04:50 PM
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While I'd love to give this a go. I am currently 100% financially supported by my father. So if I want to try this (I can get a grow set for around $250 and get and ounce or so) I have to run it by him to get the start up money. Now he's paid over $300 for a script of vyvanse before when I was in between insurances. But I don't know if I'll be able to get him to be on board with this. I'll give it a shot, and if I wind up getting him on board I'll make another thread to keep you all informed on how it goes for me.

Wish me luck for when I run this by him...
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 04:58 PM
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Growing is easy, just follow the online guides. I used to grow in college for personal/friend use. Ended up with far more than I could ever use. Gave them away, as I'd never deal.
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And you can grow for less than $250. All you need is a fish tank and an ultrasonic humidifier.
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I need everything though... tank, vermiculite, brown rice flower, mason jars, and a pressure cooker to sterilize everything. oh yeah and the spores (which are only like 10-20 bucks). I haven't looked into the cost recently but if my memory serves correct it was around 250, but I could be wrong... either way its cheaper than that script of vyvanse he forked over more than $300 for. he just wants me to be better, and standard treatment has failed, I've been in therapy since I was SIX! meds since I was 14... I'm 27 now with next to no relief. I need a change of pace and this might be what I need.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 05:46 PM
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Sorry to butt in, but if you're drinking yourself into a stupor on a regular basis while on meds, you might have a drinking problem. Meds don't work as they should if you drink like a fish...especially $300 meds. Makes no sense to me.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 05:48 PM
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its a coping mechanism... a poor one though it may be.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 05:54 PM
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It's pretty much the same as serotonin. It will work to increase serotonergic activity (which could very well work to make you feel better), but it's quickly metabolised and no longer works, like serotonin would be. It's probably better to use a serotonin precursor and a way of inhibiting serotonin recycling and metabolism/removal, using an SSRI or MAO inhibitor.

But you might want to try an atypical antipsychotic instead or together with an SSRI or MAOI.

Have you tried taking an (atypical) antipsychotic?

Edit:
I was thinking, maybe it is a good idea as some kind of shock therapy.

(And I see you take Latuda.)
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 06:02 PM
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its a coping mechanism... a poor one though it may be.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 06:03 PM
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its alright. worthwhile point to mention I guess. but its something I'm trying to get away from. and this might be the answer.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 06:08 PM
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I know someone who does this and it has really helped her depression. But I haven't talked to her in awhile. I know the start up was hard tho. But once she figured it out it went smoothly.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 06:24 PM
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I just saw you take Latuda. Latuda is not the atypical antipsychotic I meant. It's an atypical atypical one (getting more typical, I guess).

Maybe you could try another one (not a "weight-neutral" one).

It could also help with (alcohol) addiction.

I wouldn't use an amphetamine.
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Old Dec 10, 2016, 09:59 PM
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I need the amphetamine for my adhd, and vyvanse does the trick well. And im currently in the process of getting off of the latuda, as it seems to do nothing. Tonight is actually my first night without it at all (i tapered down).
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And shock therapy?! F that, big time. I'll try the mushroom thing before i start zapping my memory out of my brain thank you very much...
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 09:23 AM
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And shock therapy?! F that, big time. I'll try the mushroom thing before i start zapping my memory out of my brain thank you very much...
I was talking about the mushrooms. They only work for a short time, so it would be a bit like a shock therapy, allowing you to see things clearly without depression for awhile (possibly) and that might be just enough to remember those more rational thoughts and still feel okay afterwards. Maybe it could work like that.

It's likely to cause instability but that may be preferred to just depression, basically.

Or maybe you could take it every few hours.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 09:28 AM
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A chemical shock (which is in the body pretty much always electric).

Just less extreme of course.
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I've micro dosed lsd quite a few times before. Although it does relieve depression a lot of other things come with it. The main one for me would be HPPD and its not very nice to live with. So in the short term lsd would work, in the long term not so sure. I micro dosed everyday for around a month, was good but the side effects are pretty bad.
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It's pretty much the same as serotonin. It will work to increase serotonergic activity (which could very well work to make you feel better), but it's quickly metabolised and no longer works, like serotonin would be. It's probably better to use a serotonin precursor and a way of inhibiting serotonin recycling and metabolism/removal, using an SSRI or MAO inhibitor.

But you might want to try an atypical antipsychotic instead or together with an SSRI or MAOI.

Have you tried taking an (atypical) antipsychotic?

Edit:
I was thinking, maybe it is a good idea as some kind of shock therapy.

(And I see you take Latuda.)
Totally off topic, but this explains so much about my mother's death and why I should never drink... thank you.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 01:27 PM
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the dosing is supposed to be once every 4 days, and only like .25g, compared to a normal dose of like 1.7-3.5+ (recreational), and you're supposed to do this for like 20 doses then break. I have had mood lifts for days afterward when ive done them in the past, but that was at a recreational dose. I'm curious to see how this works, as my bipolar seems to be refractory, I respond to traditional treatment very poorly, and I'm ready for a major change in treatment. ive seen what psychedelics can do and I know that they work.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 01:27 PM
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I had ECT 2 yrs ago. I quit the treatments after I "woke up". I only have memory of last 2 treatments. Ip for over a month. Zero memory of my stay.
My husband said ECT was last resort because I was so " gone"
I worried my brain was fryed.
But this year I took my continuing education exams. I got over 92% on 17 exams.
So I was very relieved.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 01:30 PM
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yeah I'd totally try this micro dosing thing before I send electricity thought my brain not targeting anything specifically, I think that is an archaic, and barbaric treatment and I wont do it.
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When my mother was still alive, she was seriously considering ECT because her depression was so bad and ADs never worked on her for very long (which led her to drink, which probably caused her death - I think she needed a mood stabilizer).

When we were looking into it together, we learned that it's MUCH safer and saner than it used to be, and MUCH more targeted, but they still don't fully understand why/how it works... the basic theory is that it "resets" the brain... my mom was not willing or able to take mushrooms (she also dealt with psychosis, another reason I always thought she needed a mood stabilizer), so ECT was looking better than the path she ended up taking, which was just drinking heavily because in her words, "ADs are futile". It didn't help any that our entire family is completely against modern medicine and kept telling her medications are "poison" and she should be off them.
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Old Dec 11, 2016, 01:51 PM
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I gave the current systems (what's been scientifically studied) way a damn good try. been in therapy since I was six, meds since 14, I'm 27 now, and still next to no relief. and I wont do ECT because its not understood, and my brain is all I have that's good (even though it tends to work against me). I don't want the memory loss...
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