[Anrea]

If it is detrimental for you to consider that some delusions might be real at this time in your development, please avoid this thread.

Idk, maybe its because I have dealt with the invisible world for over 50 years. I just don't react like I did when I was young. I observe and ignore typically.

Take today for example, I was having a nice visit with my husband in my area of the house. We chatted for over 4 hours about personal life experiences. It was nice and calm. During the discussion (about 3 hours in) a ghost man walked down the stairs from the direction of where my husband hangs out and joined us.

I didn't stop or pause to tell my husband, I became slightly more alert, but wanted to maintain focus on what my husband was saying, so I just 'felt' what this guy seemed to be giving off.

He was just wanting to join us. Stay obtuse and in the background. I didn't wonder much about him beyond understanding he wasn't there for me, but keeps an eye on my husband.

That's it.

No delusional thoughts, no racing thoughts or paranoid feelings. I am not manic today. In my understanding, we bipolars are aware of an invisible existence - the beginning of psychic. We are empaths, telepaths, psychics and mediums and often drawn to learn more about those topics.

Society trains us to accept these things are not real. We are also trained to freak out about it - parents over reacting when children talk about the invisible world. Sensationalized in the media. Schools entirely ignore the subject. Other then working on the fringe, there is nobody hiring people who seem to interact with multiple dimensions.

Also, maybe some of us are so aware, we cannot help but be driven nearly mad. Imagine a psychic that couldn't turn it off, and heard hundreds of random thoughts constantly.

I don't mean to imply everything we see is real, because I think our mind creates an image that the feeling/sensation/shadow/apparition/sound could be and we amplify it and distort it in our mind - like reading braille without training.

Also, I think we experience perception in various ways. One hears thoughts, another sees color, another feels sensations in their skin. Any of the senses could be interpreting the stimuli in a multitude of ways.

Anyway, just sharing my third wheel experience from the tete-a-tete with hubby today. I am interested in other peoples philosophy about why bipolars seem to experience similar situations although we come from varied backgrounds. Also interested in hearing other peoples experiences.

I share your thoughts that maybe we see reality in a way others cannot perceive. I've had some very strange experiences. But I'm told it's better to reject these ideas as part of the psychosis. How I feel about it depends greatly on how my mood is. I'm very open right now and I'm finding meaning in what some would call the meaningless. So I guess I get what you're talking about. No way to know for sure. Could be brain chemistry delusions or could be alternate dimensions or realms.

[Bipolarchic14]

I have not seen any ghost. I do sometimes sense things. My brithers lives over 1000 miles away from me. One day I had this really bad feeling that something awful was happening but I did not know what. I finally decided to call him to see if everything was okay. My nephew had been rushed to the hospital for an allergic reaction to a bee sting.

[Cavegirl]

I was unaware that those with bipolar were more in tune with the metaphysical realm.
I have never experienced anything aside from sounds in my home, as well as my name whispered in my ear a few times at an old place of employment.
I have a very strong interest in the paranormal as a whole. It began at a very young age.
As much as I enjoy reading up on certain topics, watching documentaries, movies, etc. I really think I'd be frightened if I were to see an actual apparition. Maybe I keep myself "closed".
Is it just a large number of those with bipolar that share these experiences, or are there other MI's that seem more intuitive? I am going to google this now.

[Bipolarchic14]

Yep some delusions can turn out to be true. I thought my from employer was stalking me turns out I was right!

[Anrea]

Originally Posted by Cavegirl

I was unaware that those with bipolar were more in tune with the metaphysical realm.
I have never experienced anything aside from sounds in my home, as well as my name whispered in my ear a few times at an old place of employment.
I have a very strong interest in the paranormal as a whole. It began at a very young age.
As much as I enjoy reading up on certain topics, watching documentaries, movies, etc. I really think I'd be frightened if I were to see an actual apparition. Maybe I keep myself "closed".
Is it just a large number of those with bipolar that share these experiences, or are there other MI's that seem more intuitive? I am going to google this now.

I am sorry I didn't answer this earlier.

I began reading in my area of 'openness' when I was in my teens. (for me it was psychic, astrology, magic, etc.) I still am not certain we experience delusions (well some are) but I also think we honestly have a part of the unused portion of our brain opened. That exposes us to psychic, paranormal etc. Different for each depending on how the brain works. I feel bad for the poor autistic that have no filter.

In my opinion - to answer your last question - yes I believe a large number of bipolar people (and others diagnosed with other things) area actually experiences glimpses into what the mind has not yet developed.

[raspberrytorte]

So my negative entity delusion could be real?

Everyone told me it wasn't real.

Now I'm freaking out. My heart is pounding and everything and I feel like I'm going to have a panic attack.

I have to get rid of this thing.

It's probably there still but I just can't sense it because it's been medicated away.

(((Raspberry))). If you can't sense it, I wouldn't stress on it. Nothing can say for certain it exsists so if it's helpful to you, listen to the people who told you it wasn't. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.....especially when unstable. I know from experience how dangerous that can be.

Years ago when I was unstable, my ex-husbands highly religious uncle told me he saw swarms of demons flying around my house. I had already seen one in the house so this really freaked me out. Once I stabalized I couldn't see or feel the presence of demons so I assumed they left. There is ZERO proof of anything supernatural occurring in all of recorded time. ZERO. For years there has been a million dollar reward to anyone who can provide proof and NOTHING has come of it.

[raspberrytorte]

Originally Posted by ElsaMars

(((Raspberry))). If you can't sense it, I wouldn't stress on it. Nothing can say for certain it exsists so if it's helpful to you, listen to the people who told you it wasn't. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.....especially when unstable. I know from experience how dangerous that can be.

Years ago when I was unstable, my ex-husbands highly religious uncle told me he saw swarms of demons flying around my house. I had already seen one in the house so this really freaked me out. Once I stabalized I couldn't see or feel the presence of demons so I assumed they left. There is ZERO proof of anything supernatural occurring in all of recorded time. ZERO. For years there has been a million dollar reward to anyone who can provide proof and NOTHING has come of it.

Thanks, Elsa.

I'm just worried it's really there and I just can't feel it now! I'm having strong urges to do the things I did before (while psychotic) to try and get rid of it. It feels almost more insidious now if I can't feel it and it's doing whatever it wants in secret sort of, like it knows I can't sense it but is waiting for the right moment to reveal itself again.

Okay. This was triggering.

I'm going away now. lol

I'm so sorry you were triggered. When I'm unstable, PC has triggered me also. I went through a period where I could not read anyone's replies in posts, just the topic. The replies, no matter how benign were all personally directed towards me as warnings. and some topics I knew I couldn't read based on the title. Neurotypicals are lucky since they don't have to battle this stuff. (((Hugs)))

[cashart10]

I love your wisdom...even when it is hard for us to understand. I see "shadows" all the time. Once, after praying Maranatha, I saw Jesus coming on the clouds, in my bedroom. I knew it wasn't realistic and thought of it as more of a vision but bet your *** I thought the second coming was around the corner and it was due to my prayers.

[Standup2me]

I agree, society trains us not to accept these as a reality
I accept that they are true.
My dead father has visited me, with his brother, whom I have never met.
When I described his brother, it was absolutely like him (said my Mum)
How can that not be a reality?

[dite]

i want to believe what you're saying. badly.

i had a powerful spiritual experience during my first manic episode, which is almost a year ago now. in the beginning, i was convinced what i had experienced was real, despite all my doctors telling me otherwise. i accepted that i was manic, but i also wanted to believe that my experience was real.

i've become less and less sure as time has gone on. i mean, in addition to the spiritual experience, i also thought that my computer was talking to me and that i was being controlled by someone who lived in my attic, both of which turned out not to be true, haha.

a friend suggested that being manic might have made me more vulnerable to the spiritual realm, which is why i had a spiritual experience, which allows the spirituality to remain intact, despite the other psychotic episodes i had.

nevertheless, i find myself pulling away from the spiritural roots i have reconnected with.

[Christopher1990]

Yes, I have held this theory before, that we see reality for what it is and everything is so real when we are in this state it is just too overwhelming for us to handle causing us to loose it. I know when I had my frst mania at 13 it was like the first time I saw everything for what it was and almost everything I believed in seemed to be a lie.

It's so personal, the meanings and revolations we come up with during episodes and nobody but ourselves will ever know what it all meant and what we may have discovered about the world and ourselves. Everything we say is written off as bs and delusions by western medcine.
In some cultures we might have been taught to be shamans or recognized as having a gift and becoming spiritual healers. Manias could actually be an awkening of khundalini, but since we're not prepared we have no way of welcoming this diminsional shift. I have personally fealt healing factors while manic. Yet, when I ask about why such things happen pdocs and therapists have no idea what I'm talking about.

I have been there where I know different dimensions are real and possible to get to. My sixth sense is mostly gone now and I do miss it. Synchronicty is real and others around me have even commented on it before.

I don't think I'd be able to handle an actual ghost sitting listening to a conversation though. That sounds intense.

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[Anrea]

I added the trigger warning because I didn't want anyone to read this thread if they were fighting with delusions.

I think we are taught that we should repress delusions and believe they are unreal. Any delusion we experience that we cannot repress or we accept as real, we are taught we failed at overcoming the unreal.

NOT ALL DELUSIONS ARE REAL, and not all of imagination is unreal. In my opinion.

Well, I denied mental illness was causing my problems for decades. Now I am on SSDI, and feel I am choiceless in life. Broke, with little to no hope of ever having money to travel or change my life.

But I also have stability for the first time ever. I know I will get enough money to pay for my food, and have a roof over my head all my life. And that is wealthy compared to much of the world. So I try to stay happy in that and find joys in small things like being able to buy a blueberry plant, and hope it grows.

I do believe bipolar is the honesty disease. (joke)

It doesn't let us lie for many years. Not to ourselves. It forces us to accept if we married the wrong man. It won't let us pretend or suppress for long. It pushes truth of how we feel in the forefront and won't be denied. No matter how hard you want to be a good girl for other people, you have to be what you really feel when you are mentally ill. No matter how much you want to make others happy. Well, that is my truth anyway. I have to be what I am on the inside, or I end up causing a bigger problem in the long run. I blame my MI for not being what others wanted me to be. I tried.

Maybe that is why we can be such a pain in the butt to others. Because what we are bothered by cannot be stifled.

So, try to listen to yourself when your a wee bit upset, because eventually - if you ignore it, you will be yelling.

I am sorry, but I think that is true.

You cannot deny your inner self. So start listening to yourself when you make choices. Don't try to only think through life, but feel too.

And yes, I think we are tuned in.

And if I have a bad feeling trying to push itself at me, or a bad ghost or entity, I don't let it control me, I do open myself up to feel why it is sad, and try to help it to morph into it's new self. I also put protections around myself, and my computer, phone, home, yard, children, and as far into and around space as I can to make everything healthy that lives within the realm that I can manipulate with loving energy. Everyone entry in and out of my space and existence.

Things just want to be, and grow and change. That is the evolution of existence.

Things want to be 3d. But not everything can be. Things want to be felt as if they are 3d, but they aren't and they cannot harm us. But they can be felt and accepted, so they can accept and grow and change and morph.

Just love outwardly, and everything can evolve. Just love, and swallow and poo and move on. Nothing can hurt us, because at our core, we are just love.

Just love.

[pirilin]

I don't believe in what I can't see or half of what I see. Except for God.

[Anrea]

Originally Posted by pirilin

I don't believe in what I can't see or half of what I see. Except for God.

What you call God, I call the multiverse.

[wiretwister]

Originally Posted by Anrea

What you call God, I call the multiverse.

universal consciousness ...

Hi Andrea. Your message and your interpretations are really resonating with me. My delusions are all stress related and they have given me clues as to the danger my family and I are in. They don't relay messages in as clear a fashion as I wish they did...they take some interpretation to get to the root...but once I do...it's as clear as day to not just me, but others also. "Stress related psychosis" is what I appear to have and unfortunately since it's happened more than once, it's considered mental illness in the "thought and mood disorder" category. I'm trying to accept it all....to find the meaningful and discard the meaningless. Stay strong and thanks for offering your insight.