[Moose72]

I'm in the psych hospital for bipolar disorder- for suicide ideation actually and I'm getting out tomorrow. Well, a doctor pulled me aside about an hour ago and dropped the bomb that I "have inlkings of borderline personality disorder"! WTF!!! I told him I most certainly did not! Just because I have intrusive thoughts of cutting my arms to shreds and of killing myself doesn't mean I have "that"!

Thoughts?

[cboxpalace]

The Dr. must be going on more than just that, because you just described a broad spectrum of mental illness.

[krisakira]

you have to fit more criteria than that to be borderline....

I guess my thoughts on the issue, Moose, is why are you so devastated by your doc dropping the "bomb" of possibly being Borderline? You're in a psychiatric facility for suicide ideation. . .what makes you opposed or frightened by the proposal that you might be suffering from BPD? BPD is something that a person can recover from. Bipolar disorder is a biological disorder that will be something that follows you through your life, requiring medication to manage for a LIFE TIME! I guess my confusion is why are you in such an uproar instead of saying, "Whew! Something that is cureable. I might have a mental illness that responsed to therapy and personal attention! YEAH! I guess I'll investigate this possible diagnosis and see how I can approach it!"

Just my take on things.

[ECHOES]

Consider it - it's just a name to describe something, like "blue". Talk about it a while with the doctor or a therapist, and see if this is something that might be helpful to you.

Read "Get Me Out of Here" by Rachel Rieland.

[Moose72]

Originally Posted by Jaybird57

I guess my thoughts on the issue, Moose, is why are you so devastated by your doc dropping the "bomb" of possibly being Borderline? You're in a psychiatric facility for suicide ideation. . .what makes you opposed or frightened by the proposal that you might be suffering from BPD? BPD is something that a person can recover from. Bipolar disorder is a biological disorder that will be something that follows you through your life, requiring medication to manage for a LIFE TIME! I guess my confusion is why are you in such an uproar instead of saying, "Whew! Something that is cureable. I might have a mental illness that responsed to therapy and personal attention! YEAH! I guess I'll investigate this possible diagnosis and see how I can approach it!"

Just my take on things.

Its because I think my mom is and she is severely so and is severe denial and sometimes I can't stand to be around her! I don't want to be like that. I know how to be bipolar, but I don't know a thing about how to be BPD. There are no meds for it. Are you saying that BPD will go away with DBT?

[Moose72]

Originally Posted by ECHOES

Consider it - it's just a name to describe something, like "blue". Talk about it a while with the doctor or a therapist, and see if this is something that might be helpful to you.

Read "Get Me Out of Here" by Rachel Rieland.

And maybe this doctor is just wrong.

Or maybe you just need to settle down and investigate both disorders indepth. If you are Bipolar and taking your medication, you well see a change in your mood and behavior. If medication has little or no affect on your mood/behavior then you probably need to investigate another route or at least be willing to consider that you have a combination of both . .. although as a person in the mental health field, I think we are too willing to give people the "biological" diagnosis rather than the social/behavioral diagnosis. We don't want to make anyone RESPONSIBLE for their own behavior. And before you think I'm biased, know that I KNOW that I am BPD, learned and tutored at the feet of my abusers and family. I know that I am responsible for making changes. No medication is going to make a big difference for me

Bipolar is a BIOLOGICAL DISORDER. Behavioral Personality Disorder (BPD) is a social/behavioral problem. It is something that we learned from our parents and/or significant others. There is some research that is linked to trauma and parental heriatity, but none of it is conclusive.

I sure hope you're able to find what you need. Go on a search. Read and learn. Ask questions. Don't have a closed mind. Don't put the blame on others. Seek out how you had a part in things . . . I'm not saying that any of us are the reason we are who we are . . . but if we continue to act or react in the same way, then we ARE responsible and can consider changes!

[Moose72]

Thanks, Jay. I am sure I am bipolar 1. I have been diagnosed since 2006, been on various meds. Had the classic symptoms, etc. I am well-versed in this illness.

The idea of an additional diagnosis of BPD was thrown in only a few hours ago here at the psych hospital. I do have alcoholics in my family. I'm 99.9% that my mother is BPD, but she refuses to admit it and/or get diagnosed. I've thought this for years, not just since today.

Glad to hear that you feel confident and connected with the diagnosis of Bipolar 1, Moose. Best of luck with the prescribed treatment! Hang in there . .. but if you ever feel that things are not working out for you, don't walk away from exploring or investigating other possibilities/treatments. Best of luck to you!

[Girl_Interrupted]

Originally Posted by Jaybird57

Bipolar is a BIOLOGICAL DISORDER. Behavioral Personality Disorder (BPD) is a social/behavioral problem. It is something that we learned from our parents and/or significant others. There is some research that is linked to trauma and parental heriatity, but none of it is conclusive.
!

Errr, it's Borderline Personality Disorder, not Behavioural Personality Disoder o_o

Yes as mentioned, it takes 5 out of 9 symptoms of the criteria at minimum to be diagnosed with BPD. Just because you self harm and think of suicide, doesn't mean you have BPD. Obviously your doctor was thinking about a lot more.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Moose72

Its because I think my mom is and she is severely so and is severe denial and sometimes I can't stand to be around her! I don't want to be like that. I know how to be bipolar, but I don't know a thing about how to be BPD. There are no meds for it. Are you saying that BPD will go away with DBT?

1) She is in denial, that's why she is the way she is. You have a chance to self-discover and help yourself. It's good.

2) meds? You been on plenty. And you still have issues. Maybe something else in addition can help. Why discount it? Therapy can help much more. Meds will never get you out the place you are in. Meds will not bring you the AHA, I should be doing this moment.

and meds in some cases can help *symptoms* of BPD.

Look at it this way... meds can help you not to feel something... self-knowledge... that has to be learned. And sometimes it's hard. especially if you are in objectivelly bad place and have to fight the outside forces (your mother, finances... all the other things).

I say screw diagnosis... look at the symptoms and what you can do. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different result. SO don't go down that path.

[Moose72]

I saw the dr again- different than the one that first suggested BPD. He mentioned BPD again and said its not me-I'm still me. He said its not really a personality disorder. And that they don't know me as well as my pdoc does and that she will have to sort this all out.

[BrokenNBeautiful]

Just my own experience when I was diagnosed:

I did not mind the diagnosis as much as I minded the stigma associated with it.

I think my primary caretaker (parental figure) had it, too and she was so mean sometimes. Very abusive.

I want to not be like her.

Even pwbpd's can recover.

Inklings? Doctor's opinion, probably.

But who wants to be told they might have a disorder (or some of the traits) that looks so bad now?

Just my thoughts.

Carol

[Moose72]

My therapist said yesterday that I really don't scream BPD. I guess my pdoc will have a say in 2 weeks. I'm pretty comfortable with that. Bipolar is enough.

[greyclouds]

Only what I have read and hope to not upset any one, but BPD and bipolar are pretty similar are they not??

Only BPD is curable with hard work! I also read that people I think it was 20% of BPD suffers also have bipolar type 2

This is only what I saw on a link the other day, and hope no one is offended by my comment.
I will see if I can find it to share

[greyclouds]

[Girl_Interrupted]

Originally Posted by greyclouds

That video is incorrect in so many ways. Just saying.

[msjanalyn]

I've learned that a doctors diagnosis isn't the end all be all. I was dx with bipolar in 2008 - never fit - in Jan 2012 while in the hospital for suicide idealization/depression they came up with borderline but my doc kept the bipolar and he called it "wishy-washy bipolar".

The suggestion that I may suffer from borderline (took a personality test which led them the dx) was devastating - it was awful - I felt so embarrassed and shameful but I read up on BPD and it fit. I don't cut and there are some other things that really don't apply but many other things fit like a glove. I felt comfort (after the initial shock) - finally an explanation for the chaos - I'm not the only one.

When the doctors diagnose - in my opinion - it's a crapshoot - we are all different and the doctors just use the big pond of all the fish and go with that -meds - I've never until recently had meds that worked for me. Doctors don't know everything - if you don't think this fits - don't feel you have to own it. You are your own person and you know yourself the best. Good luck and take care.

[msjanalyn]

Originally Posted by VenusHalley

1) meds? You been on plenty. And you still have issues. Maybe something else in addition can help. Why discount it? Therapy can help much more. Meds will never get you out the place you are in. Meds will not bring you the AHA, I should be doing this moment. and meds in some cases can help *symptoms* of BPD.

Look at it this way... meds can help you not to feel something... self-knowledge... that has to be learned. And sometimes it's hard. especially if you are in objectivelly bad place and have to fight the outside forces (your mother, finances... all the other things).

I say screw diagnosis... look at the symptoms and what you can do. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different result. SO don't go down that path.

WELL SAID - I can't agree with you more - for me chasing a pill isn't the answer - I think it can help you in the way that your okay enough to help yourself heal. Just my opinion but after 43 years I've realized chasing a pill isn't the answer, at least for me.

[greyclouds]

Originally Posted by Girl_Interrupted

That video is incorrect in so many ways. Just saying.

Like I said its only what I heard no offence! I'm not a doctor or claim to know any facts what so ever.

[Moose72]

I have been thinking that I feel so much better on my new med.

[cboxpalace]

Originally Posted by greyclouds

Like I said its only what I heard no offence! I'm not a doctor or claim to know any facts what so ever.

-- In regards to that video --
She clearly doesn't know what she's talking about...

She starts out saying she hopes that she doesn't get them confused.
She's not diagnosed with bi polar.

and

She says both are mood disorders... She's wrong.. It's not Borderline Mood Disorder, it's Borderline PERSONALITY Disorder.
Bi Polar, depression etc are mood disorders. They effect a person's mood, and can usually be treated with meds.
ASPD, BPD, HPD are character flaws in ones personality, and are personality disorders, and there is no med to treat the trait.. In regards to BPD therapy has shown to be effective.

This all occurred within the first 2 minutes. I stopped watching at that point... I'd take everything she said with a grain of salt or no salt at all..

[MDDBPDPTSD]

Originally Posted by Jaybird57

Or maybe you just need to settle down and investigate both disorders indepth. If you are Bipolar and taking your medication, you well see a change in your mood and behavior. If medication has little or no affect on your mood/behavior then you probably need to investigate another route or at least be willing to consider that you have a combination of both . .. although as a person in the mental health field, I think we are too willing to give people the "biological" diagnosis rather than the social/behavioral diagnosis. We don't want to make anyone RESPONSIBLE for their own behavior. And before you think I'm biased, know that I KNOW that I am BPD, learned and tutored at the feet of my abusers and family. I know that I am responsible for making changes. No medication is going to make a big difference for me

Bipolar is a BIOLOGICAL DISORDER. Behavioral Personality Disorder (BPD) is a social/behavioral problem. It is something that we learned from our parents and/or significant others. There is some research that is linked to trauma and parental heriatity, but none of it is conclusive.

I sure hope you're able to find what you need. Go on a search. Read and learn. Ask questions. Don't have a closed mind. Don't put the blame on others. Seek out how you had a part in things . . . I'm not saying that any of us are the reason we are who we are . . . but if we continue to act or react in the same way, then we ARE responsible and can consider changes!

Jay:

I believe that BPD is also, at least partially, biological,to use your word. I believe that BPD people have a brain disorder, possibly in the amygdala. (not sure if I spelled that right) Anyway, I think that some people with this type of brain are much more likely to have BPD. I do think that environmental factors can play a part in whether or not BPD actually develops in an individual with that type of brain malfunction. There are MRI studies that show differences in the "normal" brain and the brain of someone with BPD.

I think the reason that medications are not the whole answer for BPDers is that medicine has not yet found the right medication for our particular brain abnormality. The best we can hope for is to manage our disease, which is what DBT helps with. I do not think we ever get to a place where we do not have BPD. We may get so proficient at disease management that the BPD does not effect our lives regularly, but I do not think we change our brain disorder by therapy and skills training. We just retrain our brain to connect differently, IMO.

[amy90]

Originally Posted by Moose72

I'm in the psych hospital for bipolar disorder- for suicide ideation actually and I'm getting out tomorrow. Well, a doctor pulled me aside about an hour ago and dropped the bomb that I "have inlkings of borderline personality disorder"! WTF!!! I told him I most certainly did not! Just because I have intrusive thoughts of cutting my arms to shreds and of killing myself doesn't mean I have "that"!

Thoughts?

Wow did you just look down on "that"??? For your information people with bpd are awesome and we dont allow just anybody into the club. So you can take your "that" and put it somewhere else.
BTW, if your mum is bpd, chances are you probably have "THAT"