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Old Aug 13, 2014, 07:08 PM
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Hi everyone. I watch alot of real life crime programmes where by the fbi solve a murder. On quite a few accasions they have described the murderer as having bpd and the way they genrelize the charactor of bpd is really negative. I am not violent or abusive to others
If i get angry i turn my anger inwards and harm myself or attemp to take my life. I know that most people with bpd hurt them selves and not others. Im really upset with the stigma and false representation. Also on this site someone with bp was complaining that some people confused her with havinh bpd and it made me feel that we are even stigmatised by people with a different mental health diagnoses. How do you all feel about it? Have you noticed a stigma for bpd in particular as apose to other diagnoses and does it upset you?

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Old Aug 13, 2014, 07:41 PM
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I don't make my diagnosis known, and so I personally haven't experienced anything negative. What TV shows are you talking about?
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Old Aug 13, 2014, 08:00 PM
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I've never directly faced stigma due to the fact that I have BPD traits, but I've read some nasty stuff about it when doing research. Stigma really does hurt.

I have noticed that there's more awareness of mood disorders and anxiety disorders in the media, however. For instance, in the wake of Robin Williams' death, there were lot's of posts/articles around the internet that basically said "if you have depression, you are not alone". Which is of course fine, but suicide can be the result of soo many other mental illnesses. Depression isn't the only one that can end in suicide.

That's just something I've noticed anyways.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 06:42 AM
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One thing I am still trying to understand - my NP told me she believed her daughter was BPD but had a BP diagnosis, and she believed her daughter would be insulted if she knew what her mother thought...

I really want to ask why. But I am afraid to.... not sure how BPD would be worse, it is actually believed by researchers to be more common than BP or schizophrenia. Maybe personality disorders are considered more of a flaw somehow.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 04:33 PM
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there is definately discrimination against bpd , even the nice guidlines state that this should not happen thereby confirming that it does, amongst health professionals as much as anywhere else.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 05:18 PM
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A mental health nurse who was treating me in the crisis team once said she didn't think I have bpd because I was nice and that she didn't usually like the patients that had bpd.

I told my counsellor about it and how it made me wonder if I wasn't nice but was able to hide it.

My counsellor said what you said In that people with BPD don't usually harm people and are actually loving and kind people who internalise anger and pain onto themselves, and would usually rather die than hurt others.

Any valid and professional research you ever read mentions that bpd sufferers are wrongly stigmatised and not violent or aggressive people, at least not because of bpd.

Yes I can get angry and lash out and I'm not a delicate wallflower but I am not aggressive or violent.

Also I notice that even on this forum everyone is kind and supportive; so I take that as a representation of people with BPD.
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I do not have BPD, but I do have a family member who causes me MISERY...she does truly terrible stuff. Today, I went to a therapist for the first time (first time seeing him, not in therapy ever). We were talking about how my life would be a lot less stressful and depressing if it weren't for the family member, and he said he's almost 100% certain she has BPD. He tried to be very professional and clinical in the way he spoke about it, but honestly, it's hard not to have undertone of "Man, those people are wicked human beings" when talking about someone like her who does hurt people in her life and in very dehumanizing ways. So from my standpoint, I understand why the stigma exists and am not sure it can ever go away unless they come up with two separate diagnoses for those who manipulate and harm others vs. those who don't. But it does suck for those who aren't the types to very badly hurt people.

I know a mental illness is a mental illness, but at the same time, I have a mental illness caused by dealing with someone with this particular mental illness. So it's a tough thing.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:16 PM
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we r not all the the same. so stop being judgenmental and generalising people. BPD traits differ in strengths n therefore doesnt make evryone the same !!! :@
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:21 PM
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I know everyone is not the same. I was saying I can understand why people who have to live with those who DO harm others in very terrible ways aren't going to speak in a warm and cuddly way about the disorder, which is probably where the stigma comes from...and why it might be helpful to not give the same label to those extreme cases where the person does really awful things to people.
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well yeh but ur case is differing n so the disorder isnt stigmatized by one person. i would hate to be thought of that way. if anything i over care maybe u need read up the disorder and see for urself, we harm ourselves more than others
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:27 PM
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I know that most aren't extreme cases like that. I was saying that as long as both groups are given the same label, it's going to be really hard to get rid of the stigma because realistically speaking, people are not going to speak positively of individuals who do terrible things to others.
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i agree but the person u speak of is a rarity for this disorder xx educate yourself. seriosuly x theres 5 types of borderline
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:32 PM
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I know that most aren't extreme cases like that. I was saying that as long as both groups are given the same label, it's going to be really hard to get rid of the stigma because realistically speaking, people are not going to speak positively of individuals who do terrible things to others.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 07:34 PM
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I know there are different types of BPD. I took several psychology classes. Again, all I was saying was, having experience from the flipside, I understand why it's a very hard stigma to shake. Have a nice Thursday.
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yeh n dont judge again unless u have the condition
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 08:27 PM
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The media is guilty of perpetuating the stigma. For example I like to watch true crime shows that profile murderers such as Snapped and I.D. Sometimes the murderer's psychiatric history is discussed. BPD seems to come up a lot probably because the murders on those shows happen to be motivated by romantic breakups. Another example is the serial murderer Aileen Wuornos. She had BPD and it made the news. The stigma is reinforced because we want to know why people commit horrific acts. Most people who have no idea what BPD probably won't question what they hear.

These are extreme examples that don't reflect the diverse manifestations of a psychiatric disorder. They are a minority.

What is really appalling is the behavior of some clinicians towards BPD clients. They often ostracize them and deny treatment. In their eyes a BPD client burns therapists out because they are heavy service users. Perhaps this would change if they actually took time to listen and provide appropriate treatment.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 08:31 PM
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The media is guilty of perpetuating the stigma. For example I like to watch true crime shows that profile murderers such as Snapped and I.D. Sometimes the murderer's psychiatric history is discussed. BPD seems to come up a lot probably because the murders on those shows happen to be motivated by romantic breakups. Another example is the serial murderer Aileen Wuornos. She had BPD and it made the news. The stigma is reinforced because we want to know why people commit horrific acts. Most people who have no idea what BPD probably won't question what they hear.

These are extreme examples that don't reflect the diverse manifestations of a psychiatric disorder. They are a minority.

What is really appalling is the behavior of some clinicians towards BPD clients. They often ostracize them and deny treatment. A BPD in their eyes burns therapists out because they are heavy service users. Perhaps this would change if they actually took time to listen and provide appropriate treatment.
I remember that the media was kind of stigmatizing BPD around the Jodi Arias trial because apparently she has/had it?
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 08:50 PM
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I know there are different types of BPD. I took several psychology classes. Again, all I was saying was, having experience from the flipside, I understand why it's a very hard stigma to shake. Have a nice Thursday.
I agree with your point of view and thanks for sharing. It's a sensitive subject..

My opinion, now I have thought about it is that the people who cause harm to others must clearly meet the criteria of BPD, but that doesn't mean that everyone who has BPD, SHARES that trait. But they most also have something more than that, i can see how that would happen, maybe we are the strong Ones staying on the edge, and these people cannot take it, and fall into the place where the hurt they feel begins to take over all of their sanity and humanity until they start doing things to hurt others...

Remember there will be good and bad in every demographic and category of people.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 09:11 PM
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I don't feel as though Glitterrosez was judging at all. I feel she was sharing her valid experience and opinion on the topic in question.

I think it's very interesting and important to look at things on the flipside.

That's the point of a forum surely.
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Old Aug 14, 2014, 09:28 PM
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I think the "hey man they are wicked people" comment could have been left out, yet I have opened myself up to trying to see that even people without mental illnesses have feelings. It's not good for either side when someone is being affected. However, people really need to stop using labels to define people. Maybe this person who hurt glitter is just a bad individual aside from her diagnoses. Some bpds have had their lives destroyed and are just trying to make it in a lonely world and they aren't abusing anyone.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 12:31 AM
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Hi I'm new on here. I feel that whenever you tell someone that you had BPD especially a therapist they seem to assume that you will be aggressive and difficult etc. however when I tell them that I have Bipolar (which I have as well) I get treated quite differently and seem to get a lot more empathy from them. When I tell them that I have both plus PTSD as well they are always very helpful in all ways. So yes it is true that there is a huge bias against those with BPD. Only my closest friends know that I have BPD and everyone else knows about PTSD and Bipolar plus I'm prone to Major Depression. Just thought I'd add my input to this discussion here.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 12:35 AM
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I think that some (not all) of the stigma may come from the fact that it is considered a primarily feminine diagnosis.

I've found that some of the most vitriolic comments I have seen also come with a hefty dose of misogyny.

Now clearly there are other sources. Even the nicest of people with BPD can be hard on their loved ones. Being loved one minute hated the next. Never knowing what's going to set off a mood swing. It's tough.

However, I am very much over being hated for something that was out of my control and that I am now doing my best to repair.

Like I said somewhere else. You don't have to support us but you don't need to make it harder either.
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Old Aug 15, 2014, 03:51 AM
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I developed bpd due to bullying at school and it was a coping mechanism that went wrong I think ! I don't go out hurting people. Am sick of defending myself as a non aggressive person. The only time I get hostile is when feeling judged or patronised xxx
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I do not have BPD, but I do have a family member who causes me MISERY...she does truly terrible stuff. Today, I went to a therapist for the first time (first time seeing him, not in therapy ever). We were talking about how my life would be a lot less stressful and depressing if it weren't for the family member, and he said he's almost 100% certain she has BPD. He tried to be very professional and clinical in the way he spoke about it, but honestly, it's hard not to have undertone of "Man, those people are wicked human beings" when talking about someone like her who does hurt people in her life and in very dehumanizing ways. So from my standpoint, I understand why the stigma exists and am not sure it can ever go away unless they come up with two separate diagnoses for those who manipulate and harm others vs. those who don't. But it does suck for those who aren't the types to very badly hurt people.

I know a mental illness is a mental illness, but at the same time, I have a mental illness caused by dealing with someone with this particular mental illness. So it's a tough thing.
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Hi everyone. I watch alot of real life crime programmes where by the fbi solve a murder. On quite a few accasions they have described the murderer as having bpd and the way they genrelize the charactor of bpd is really negative. I am not violent or abusive to others
If i get angry i turn my anger inwards and harm myself or attemp to take my life. I know that most people with bpd hurt them selves and not others. Im really upset with the stigma and false representation. Also on this site someone with bp was complaining that some people confused her with havinh bpd and it made me feel that we are even stigmatised by people with a different mental health diagnoses. How do you all feel about it? Have you noticed a stigma for bpd in particular as apose to other diagnoses and does it upset you?
Hey ! Yes, I've watched pretty much every episode of The FBI Files (if that's what you're talking about) and many other crime shows on Investigation Discovery, and yes, I agree - borderlines are cast in a bad light.

About stigma, I think there's stigma associated with pretty much any mental illness (perhaps except for PTSD type Vietnam ... because soldiers are respected), and the root cause for that is IGNORANCE.

It has pissed me off in the past, when I had hopes of a life. Now that I have given up on life, it doesn't piss me off at all

When someone doesn't even want to take the trouble to understand our illness, how the hell are they ever going to respect us ? Their minds are made up, and they don't need to know or care about our problems, so stigma will prevail.
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