Psychopathic/sociopathic traits in bpd

Can anyone tell me the reality of comorbidity of either psychopathic or sociopathic traits in borderline personality disorder. I've tried to research this but Google is being a pain in my butt lol.

Don't search for psychopathic or sociopathic. Instead search for "antisocial personality disorder", which is the technical term for psychopathic. That might help.

It's actually reasonably common. The personality disorders often have overlaps. A bit of this and a bit of that.

I have BPD with narc and path traits. I actually relate to people with aspd more than those with bpd generally.

Anyways I'm happy to discuss via PM if you wish.

Pm sent thank you

Hi there. So, my name is Randy and I'm an LPC. I've noticed with questions like these that there is sort of the Wikipedia understanding of BPD and then there is what is actually understood to be true by trained and licensed clinicians. Personal experience with these disorders will only take you so far, in the same way that suffering a heart attack doesn't qualify someone to be a cardiologist. So let's get to it.

Firstly, the terms sociopathic and psychopathic might as well be synonyms. I've never actually met a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker, or therapist who could actually articulate the difference. Sure, Tumblr and Pinterest are full of infographics claiming to show otherwise, but I'm talking about the real world. I have a masters degree in clinical mental health counseling and the best I can tell you is what I just wrote.

Secondly, neither is an actual diagnosis. Sociopath is a term that fell out of favor 50 years ago, and psychopath is generally used to describe the more extreme personality disordered individuals who populate prisons and psychiatric hospitals. Some - not all, but some - borderline personalities are straight up psychopaths. This is actually why borderline is called borderline - it can push up right against the psychopathy spectrum, and the neurotic spectrum. It presents in myriad ways. This is another reason why personal experience only takes you so far.

The neurotic type, btw, is more likely to be inwardly destructive. They self-harm, struggle with depression, etc. The psychopathic type can be more dangerous. This does not describe what you might consider a "normal" borderline. The psychopathic can be quite dangerous.

At any rate, this is likely why you are having a hard time with Google, that and your question is fundamentally flawed. We don't think about those two things being co-morbid with borderline personality disorder. Rather, it's more accurate to say they are features of it.

Hope that helps. Have a nice day.

I disagree. ^

This is very helpful to me thank you. The reason I was asking about comorbidity of these 2 traits is I believe I have both. I get very angry after going through deep depression and then I get depressed because of what I experience in thought when I am angry and I realize that when I am angry I feel completely evil with the thoughts I have. I feel like a volcano erupting with nothing but the most sinister and evil thoughts of hurting people. When I feel like this, it feels like 99% of me doesn't feel anything at all,much like a psychopath, then there is that tiny little bit of my mind saying no, please stop thinking this way. Then depression sets in because I have these thoughts then the anger again. Its just a constant ,vicious circle of self hatred over and over again

I heard that mainly males who display bpd are often misdiagnosed with Antisocial PD (psychopaths or sociapaths).
From what I have been searching there are two traits common between a bpd and aspd and they are impulsive behaviours and on another side, the lack of true empathy. But, this lack of true empathy comes from different roots.

Said that, from what I know from psychiatrists, traits of other disorders could occur in bpd, like narc’s traits are very common in AsPD personalities.

From my personal experience, when a person is pure borderline, the lack of true empathy is like a defence to prevent intimacy, in an attempt to avoid showing up the true self that they consider inadequate and was somehow “castrated” by his/her caretakers.

I would be curious to explain in detail what I go through and comprare the 2

My apologise. It’s better deleted. :-)

My apologise ....

Let me set your mind at ease. If you are worrying that you might be a psychopath, there's no way you are actually a psychopath. Depressed, maybe. Angry, maybe. But a psychopath? Doubtful. Talk to a licensed clinician though. It's not a good idea to get advice from untrained people about incredibly complicated issues like personality disorders. Too much misinformation.

Excellent analysis. I agree 100%.

Let me also suggest that you read this article I wrote about why self-diagnosis is an utterly terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by rwither1 Let me also suggest that you read this article I wrote about why self-diagnosis is an utterly terrible idea.

That was a really good article.

Very good article.

Congratulations for this article and thanks for sharing.
I think is needed. Also, you write it with great understanding of people who are not expert but are lost and trying to grab whatever can give them a little of hope and light. I think of me as a quite rational person but I also had my moments of desperation and made online tests, having my Astral card read and (sit down), tarot cards read and at the top of all, lol! the lines of my hands read. My Lord!