HYE heard of Passive Suicidal Ideation?

I have never heard of this until I read an article on it. From what I got it's when you don't want to live but don't want to take your life or self harm. You want to go naturally and welcome it.
I have known several people that fit this definition, but never thought of it being a will to die. Guess I need to start paying attention.

Yes I have been told by my therapist that I am. And I admit I won't go out of my way to make something happen but I'm not moving out of the way of the oncoming car either(so to speak)

I will have to research this, it does sound interesting.
But I would say that most want to go naturally, and at some certain point they do want to welcome death. I guess it depends on your view of death.....I do not see it as an "end." I think about that every day but I feel in this culture it's a taboo subject, not something to discuss or even celebrate.
Off to google I go!
Thanks

It's just odd this is the first time I've heard this term. I think I would fall in the category as well. It's a tough situation when you don't want to live but don't want to die either.

Thanks. It needs to be discussed and brought to light so people can watch for it in others, just like at the other suicide symptoms to watch for. I can really see this in the person who is very sick and suffering, the elderly who are just tired and people who just don't want to live anymore but not cross that suicide line.

I've never heard that term either. Can relate to it at times though.

I agree.

I can relate to this sometimes ..

I think a lot of us do, which makes me wonder why we haven't discussed it here.

Yes I've heard of it, earlier this year I had a biopsy and several tests as I had an unusual swelling in the neck and various other symptoms that could be associated with lymphoma. It turned out negative - I was actually dissapointed. It would have made things much easier in many respects. Easier to blame coming to an end on something I have no control over than my own hand.

That's exactly what this is. Do you feel different now? Or is this a constant feeling? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
Glad the test was negative, and you are here with us.

It’s not “Complex” PTSD for nothing! Some tragedies happened before I was born and after. They got re-told over and over and further reinforced by my mother, who never recovered. So, there is an element of what you are talking about in me that is part of the PTSD.

It’s dangerous and should not be taken lightly. It can really put someone at risk.

I agree it could be dangerous and that's why we need to be aware of it. I expect this is not just specific to CPTSD or PTSD, but many situations.

I live fairly unhealthily & am aware of it. I don't exercise, eat properly, etc. While I know this will be my undoing, I don't really care. Would that qualify? I look at people who live healthy lifestyles & don't really emulate them. There a line from a song by an old band called The Who (for those of you who are younger): "I hope I die before I get old." I don't know if my situation qualifies, but that's my story & I'm sticking too it...

Thanks - it's still there, I try to push it into the background. It was a factor in not looking after myself for years and ending up getting diabetes. I couldn't kill myself properly, but I also couldn't care enough about myself because I didn't really want to live either. I have to fight this all the time. Sometimes it wins, sometimes I do, sometimes it's a draw.

I actually fit that description precisely and it is aggravating describing it to others.

You are told "don't do it! you have so much to offer!"
Or
"Death is not what you really want ... (adlib their motion of what you want)"

So - in essence - you are basically told you don't know what it is you are feeling n you need to stop feeling it.

Translation to the person feeling it: "keep your feelings to yourself, they are too scary, I can't deal with them so you need to accept what I can handle"

End result: person feeling this way - never says a thing n just sinks ever further into depression and feeling totally alone in how they feel, like nobody else has ever felt this.

I don't know if this feeling ever results in suicide. I do know it would be odd. I have absolutely zero interest in taking part in ending my life.

But...

Let someone come thru my door, weapon in hand n threaten to use it on me ... this girl would just stand there n let him (or her) use it

If I was out on a boat that capsized n we could not right it. Sure, I would go through the motions of treading water .. but when I got too tired to continue n when I started to feel exhaustion n dehydration overtake me - I would welcome the knowledge of what is to come.

If I were diagnosed with a terminal illness - I would not fight it off.

But...I will not actively put a weapon in hand or create a dangerous situation on which to cause my demise.

I simply know - death would be better. Period. So I long for it. The same as many long for a million dollars yet refuse to rob a bank.

I brought it up recently - in my thread "Craving Death" in Depression forum

I have passive ideation every day, pretty much. It does get worse, at times for various reasons, but I'm usually always having ideation.

Good quote regarding this! What does that line mean? It influenced me too!

I took it to mean, living life fast and hard and dying is better than breaking down and fading away.

I know this was really faulty thinking, but here is an example: maybe it’s survivor’s guilt, too. My father died at 44. When I was 44, I had a surgery, and I thought if I died then that would be ok, because that’s when he died. I had the surgery thinking I wanted it to kill me because that’s what happened to my father.

But I am not suicidal. I didn’t and don’t want to die. But, still, I thought and went through with a surgery with that horrible thought on my mind—yet that thought comforted me.

Twisted!

I was very open and honest about these thoughts with therapists. The last one I went to took what I said to a higher level than it was, and I am not going back to any more therapists as a result.

Thanks for the feedback on this.

Sounds like it could be, maybe you should talk with MH professional about it, maybe they can help. Thanks for sharing.

I don’t mean to hijack the thread. I just want to say that I don’t feel like this anymore. I’m over it.

Recovery is possible.

I think I played it all out in my head and now I’m just over it.

Have you ever talked to a T about it? I'm really curious if they would take this as serious as they should, but not go overboard.
That's true that a lot of people don't understand, and how could they? They haven't experienced what we have. So I just let their comments roll off if they are good friends and family. May talk to them later about it when I thought about it a little.

I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that feel this way and have never addressed it with a T. Or they have and the T didn't seem interested, I can certainly see that happen.
Take care of yourself, stay out of the water, keep your doors locked, stay healthy, please