I have occasionally stumbled across advertisements, articles, and research that suggests that women are superior to men since about 1998, and am still struggling with it.

I would like to just either accept it and move on, or reject it. There are too many triggers.

For example the other day I came across a book called "The End of Men" . . . I didn't read it but the cover seemed like it was a book about women being better than men again. So this was another trigger for me.

Occasionally I read something good about males, like that males are analytical or better at making friends. But most of the time it's pro-female stuff that I read and it's at the expense of men.

[Steiner of Thule]

The world is pretty feminist nowadays.

Hi IT! I have to agree with you, men are the last now and women are feminist everything. It almost feels like all men are being emasculated which is not right. I am not for male chauvanism so it really is a balancing act. I do believe people can go too far and they have demanded so much that they are becoming men in all the roles they take. Somehow it makes them seem to me less feminine. I hope i don't get flack for saying that but i have to agree with you IT.... (((hugs dear))) tc

[-jimi-]

The world is nowhere near equality. Men are just used to have more than their fair share and will whine if that changes even a little bit. They still have more than the woman.

Originally Posted by -jimi-

The world is nowhere near equality. Men are just used to have more than their fair share and will whine if that changes even a little bit. They still have more than the woman.

Men commit suicide four times as often as women, more men are homeless, more men are victims of violence, high school dropouts, college dropouts, more likely to get cancer. There is nowhere near enough awareness and recognition for any of these issues that men face.

I'm talking about the western world here, I'm aware that there is true inequality in some parts of the world where women aren't allowed to drive or vote, and so on. But I'm comparing women and men in the Western world, how they are portrayed and the attention their causes get. As far as I can see, men get very little.

[BeaFlower]

I think that there isn't a gender that is 'better'...men and women seem to be good in some different things, in general, but of course there are many individual differences.
But IT, are you sure that men are more victims of violence? I knew exactly the contrary. At least here in Europe, don't know elsewhere.

[Chyialee]

Originally Posted by BeaFlower

I think that there isn't a gender that is 'better'...men and women seem to be good in some different things, in general, but of course there are many individual differences.
But IT, are you sure that men are more victims of violence? I knew exactly the contrary. At least here in Europe, don't know elsewhere.

If you are talking about Domestic Violence/Abuse/Assault, Bea Flower, then the statistics I know about defintely agree with you. I don't know about reliable statistics for over-all injury & death via other forms of violence, but it seems logical that in general,perhaps more males die in random street violence, gang-type activity, and violence during crime. I don't know the stats, as I said.

Whatever the case, I don't personally think it behooves anyone in general to do too much of crying "victim!" because of one gender or the other. Let me tell you, the Domestic Violence Shelter I volunteered at, and the other things I got involved with (going to court as special advocate, et al) made me cast a very jaundiced eye upon males for a number of years. But the truth is that the genders are equally capable of disrespecting each other --- it's the tactics that seem different.

Just my opinion, IT. Women generally are "better" at some things, men at others (I will never have my fiance's upper body strength f.e. , lol -- but then I'll never have Serena Williams' either, heh ).

Peace to you,
Chyia, respectfully sidelining at the battle of the sexes

[DisorganisedMind]

I identify more as an individual than a member of a set (gender). I don't deny my gender but it doesn't seem that important really and I hate being around people who see people in that two-dimensional stereotypical way ("...typical man/woman...etc"). There are bigger divides than gender (for me).

Originally Posted by BeaFlower

I think that there isn't a gender that is 'better'...men and women seem to be good in some different things, in general, but of course there are many individual differences.
But IT, are you sure that men are more victims of violence? I knew exactly the contrary. At least here in Europe, don't know elsewhere.

Yes, males are easily more likely to be physically assaulted, by a factor of up to 3 or 4 times as often. It makes sense, most men wouldn't think to bash a woman, but they would attack another male.

[Perna]

Women may be more complicated than men in many ways (just look at sex organ arrangements) but I don't think that makes them better, just different. The saying is, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" and I think that implies problems rather than betterness?

[ManOfConstantSorrow]

Ho hum, I think that women and men are actually very similar, and differences are quite small. I doubt one is better than tother. They are just people.

[unaluna]

SOME women are superior to some men and vice versa. I have read that hierarchy of happiness is 1. Married men 2. Single women 3. Married women 4. Single men. Getting education and taking action makes any person more attractive. Whinging makes any person less attractive.

Neither gender is "superior" (we need a definition of superior) to the other.

I think what this thread is really about is how society (United States) treats men and women. We could go back and forth all day long, but I think we can agree that men receive preferential treatment in some aspects and women receive preferential treatment in other aspects.

My main question to IT (and anyone) is in regards to the expression of emotions in men and women. Do you feel that society treats men and women who express emotions such as crying and compassion the same? If not, this will explain many of the issues raised by IT (such as the suicide disparity) between men and women.

[IceCreamKid]

This might be better in another forum. But since you have put it here, you might want to ask yourself, what does that line of thought do for you? Does it give you anything positive?

I have run across people who seem to operate their whole lives on a 'what is superior/inferior' basis. They don't strike me as being very happy.

Since you are "struggling" with this idea, why not abandon it as being useless for making your life better in any way?

[lizardlady]

I don't believe one gender is superior to the other. I agree with Kindness, we could argue back and forth all day about which gender is most mistreated by society.

The OP quoted suicide statistics. Yes, males complete suicide more often that females because they use more lethal methods, but females attempt more often than males. Here in the US men make more money than women. Men are more likely to be hired for managerial positions than females. Rather than arguing about which gender has it "worse", why don't we work to eliminate the inequalities?

Good question about expression of emotions Kindness. I think we've made progress in the US. I can't speak for other countries. In some areas men expressing emotions is more acceptable than it was in the past. In others it's still looked on as a sign of weakness.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Illegal Toilet

Men commit suicide four times as often as women, more men are homeless, more men are victims of violence, high school dropouts, college dropouts, more likely to get cancer. There is nowhere near enough awareness and recognition for any of these issues that men face.

I'm talking about the western world here, I'm aware that there is true inequality in some parts of the world where women aren't allowed to drive or vote, and so on. But I'm comparing women and men in the Western world, how they are portrayed and the attention their causes get. As far as I can see, men get very little.

None of this is women's fault. Why are women less likely to be homeless on less of income? Might do something with being more smart, tough, etc. etc.? Cancer is often too lifestyle related.

Women do not make men drop out of school or get involved in gangs or wherever they become victim of violence.

Originally Posted by Illegal Toilet

I have occasionally stumbled across advertisements, articles, and research that suggests that women are superior to men since about 1998, and am still struggling with it.

I would like to just either accept it and move on, or reject it. There are too many triggers.

For example the other day I came across a book called "The End of Men" . . . I didn't read it but the cover seemed like it was a book about women being better than men again. So this was another trigger for me.

Occasionally I read something good about males, like that males are analytical or better at making friends. But most of the time it's pro-female stuff that I read and it's at the expense of men.

It may be best to keep in mind that we are all separate entities. Individuals. Opinions on the relative qualities of genders are worth what most opinions are worth.

Why it triggers you? I wouldn't care very much about what people are saying about who is superior, because there are differences between the two genders. We can make equal opportunities for men and women, but still find discrepancies, why? But we must create equal opportunities for both genders and let them choose.

I like the following excerpt from the book "The Female Brain" by Louann Brizendine, which explains how biology dictates many of our behaviors and choices in life

One of my patients gave her three-and-a-half-year-old daughter many unisex toys, including a bright red fire truck instead of a doll. She walked into her daughter's room one afternoon to find her cuddling the truck in a baby blanket, rocking it back and forth saying, "Don't worry, little truckie, everything will be all right."

[Steiner of Thule]

Originally Posted by unaluna

SOME women are superior to some men and vice versa. I have read that hierarchy of happiness is 1. Married men 2. Single women 3. Married women 4. Single men. Getting education and taking action makes any person more attractive. Whinging makes any person less attractive.

How do they measure happiness? With a measuring cup? A scale?

[HollowRhythms]

OMG! This drives me nuts! I stay away from the articles and the books. Yea, we have different "needs" but that doesn't make us better, or mean that men should be door mats for us.

Neither are superior, and men shouldn't be made to feel so. Domestic abuse for example, there is so much resources for women, where's the battered men shelters??? they're left to their own devices.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Equal in what ways? Along the lines, we've forgotten that we're different. It's not about being better. It's gotten outta control. Yes. We need contraception clinics, but men have much different needs and are being forgotten about. Society needs to tell men it's ok to be weak if you're not feeling strong, or places to go if they're in abusive situations they can't get away from.

A prime example is the new Prime Minster of Canada, yes, i agree with a lot of his views, but he's made his cabinet a 50/50 split of men and women. There are more male politicians... How many got looked over because they didn't have the right parts????

Anyway, as a woman I'm sorry IT that you feel this way, I wish people would where it counts stop looking at gender, and just take the person for who they are.

[Steiner of Thule]

Originally Posted by HollowRhythms

OMG! This drives me nuts! I stay away from the articles and the books. Yea, we have different "needs" but that doesn't make us better, or mean that men should be door mats for us.

Neither are superior, and men shouldn't be made to feel so. Domestic abuse for example, there is so much resources for women, where's the battered men shelters??? they're left to their own devices.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Equal in what ways? Along the lines, we've forgotten that we're different. It's not about being better. It's gotten outta control. Yes. We need contraception clinics, but men have much different needs and are being forgotten about. Society needs to tell men it's ok to be weak if you're not feeling strong, or places to go if they're in abusive situations they can't get away from.

A prime example is the new Prime Minster of Canada, yes, i agree with a lot of his views, but he's made his cabinet a 50/50 split of men and women. There are more male politicians... How many got looked over because they didn't have the right parts????

Anyway, as a woman I'm sorry IT that you feel this way, I wish people would where it counts stop looking at gender, and just take the person for who they are.

Would be nice if they did cut out the affirmative action garbage.

[Kek de la Doge]

The only place you'll see true gender equality is in a cemetery.

[EnglishDave]

Originally Posted by Norman DEE

The only place you'll see true gender equality is in a cemetery.

Not necessarily. In multiple 'occupancy' family graves, the headstone invariably lists the male member first. Well, it does in this Country.

Dave.

[unaluna]

Originally Posted by EnglishDave

Not necessarily. In multiple 'occupancy' family graves, the headstone invariably lists the male member first. Well, it does in this Country.

Dave.

Maybe they're listed alphabetically by "member name"...

[Mr.Arch-Vile]

I really didn't want to reply to this thread but I swear there is a shadowy cabal that wants to keep people divided with such nonsense.

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