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Old Jun 25, 2017, 07:08 AM
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Driving drunk is a horrible thing but we are talking about motherly love here. Emily do you have children? I can't imagine mother not willing to help her injured child because he drove drunk? You aren't obligated to donate of course but you don't understand what mother might feel either?
If I have kids or not is irrelevant. I am not buying that any of this is motherly love. More like love of money and attention. If she truly cared about her kid she would have ensured drunk driving was never an option he would entertain.

But never the less... now the "kid" is talking and could be home by the end of the month. Good news of course... but you have to admit it seems like she was exaggerating... why could anyone do that? Humn.

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Old Jun 25, 2017, 11:48 AM
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If I have kids or not is irrelevant. I am not buying that any of this is motherly love. More like love of money and attention. If she truly cared about her kid she would have ensured drunk driving was never an option he would entertain.

But never the less... now the "kid" is talking and could be home by the end of the month. Good news of course... but you have to admit it seems like she was exaggerating... why could anyone do that? Humn.
Sounds a lot like my mother. I can't tell you how many times my mother lied about my illnesses to garner sympathy from people or even make money off me. She would spew B.S about how I'm Autistic, a genius, that I have brain damage, or worse of all, how I would never be able to take care of myself because of my "issues" She did all of this just to make people feel sorry for her and to make money off me.

Mothers like her deserve nothing more than to be outed like the scum they are.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 12:28 PM
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I don't believe you were being mean. We each have the right to donate to whatever causes we want. You expressed your rationale very well in your first post. Now, if you had gone to the mother and told her to her face what you said here, THAT would have been mean.

As a side note - I have zero tolerance for people who drive drunk. Yes, sometimes it's part of an addiction, sometimes it's not. For me getting behind the wheel when you've been drinking comes down to making the choice to do so. At the same time, I have empathy for this young man's family. They are being impacted by his choice.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 02:16 PM
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In fact it is everything I can do not to say how disgusting I find the whole thing. If MY loved one was in that shape I would NEVER be asking people to contribute to a fund. I would be curled up in a ball. The thought would never occur to me and I sure would never feel it was proper to ask people to do that.
I'm surprised you've lived as long as you have without realizing that what we think we might do and what we actually do once we're in a situation can be completely different.

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Plus, the kid did it to himself. He was irresponsible and she was a bad mother for not driving this into his head and now somehow, I have to wring my hands and support her?
Just curious... How do you know what his mother did or did not tell him? Also, you seem to be of the impression that people are robots who will do whatever their parents tell them.

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But this is the kind of reaction I have and everyone else seems to think I am mean or cold hearted.
Not mean, but definitely cold-hearted about this particular issue... I mean, how can you deny that when this whole thread is about how much you don't sympathize with a boy on a ventilator?

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Old Jun 25, 2017, 03:19 PM
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I mean, how can you deny that when this whole thread is about how much you don't sympathize with a boy on a ventilator?
I think it is just a matter of time until he kills himself or ends up in jail. With a mother who was on go fund me and Facebook moments after it happened... I am sure he has some obstacles with her to over come.

But just because he is on a ventilator do I have to have sympathy for him? I think, no. He is in that position because he acted irresponsibly. He should suffer for that. Serious suffering to avoid it ever happening again. There are many people on ventilators right now though no fault of their own. My prayers should be reserved for them.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 03:37 PM
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I think it is just a matter of time until he kills himself or ends up in jail. With a mother who was on go fund me and Facebook moments after it happened... I am sure he has some obstacles with her to over come.

But just because he is on a ventilator do I have to have sympathy for him? I think, no. He is in that position because he acted irresponsibly. He should suffer for that. Serious suffering to avoid it ever happening again. There are many people on ventilators right now though no fault of their own. My prayers should be reserved for them.
I mean, at this point you're just repeating yourself... I don't understand the redundancy, unless you thought for some reason I was making some sort of argument to your feelings on the matter, which I clearly was not or else I would have said that. I have no interest, at least right now, in arguing any of what you just said. I actually really don't see what the point of that would be.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 03:46 PM
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I mean, at this point you're just repeating yourself... I don't understand the redundancy, unless you thought for some reason .
Well you did respond to me with quotes and everything. That kind of seems like an invitation to speak but in the future if you just want to speak and not have anyone respond unless they agree with you - you probably should just note that.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 03:51 PM
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Well you did respond to me with quotes and everything.
I don't see your point here. Yes, I responded to you with quotes... What does that have to do with you being redundant?

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That kind of seems like an invitation to speak but in the future if you just want to speak and not have anyone respond unless they agree with you - you probably should just note that.
I was wanting you to respond. I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that I didn't when I used quotes and asked pointed questions.

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Old Jun 25, 2017, 04:32 PM
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I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that I didn't when I used quotes and asked pointed questions.
Whatever, my responses are, according to you, redundant but the same could be said for you. Don't want to be redundant again.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 04:50 PM
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Whatever, my responses are, according to you, redundant but the same could be said for you. Don't want to be redundant again.
It was just your first response that was redundant. Your second response to me was not redundant at all.

Also, I hope that you view this conversation in the same light-hearted manner that I view it in.
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Old Jun 25, 2017, 08:48 PM
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I think it is just a matter of time until he kills himself or ends up in jail. With a mother who was on go fund me and Facebook moments after it happened... I am sure he has some obstacles with her to over come.

But just because he is on a ventilator do I have to have sympathy for him? I think, no. He is in that position because he acted irresponsibly. He should suffer for that. Serious suffering to avoid it ever happening again. There are many people on ventilators right now though no fault of their own. My prayers should be reserved for them.
I don't think you must feel something if you don't feel it. I also do not think you must understand what others might feel. If you don't feel something or don't understand something, it usually cannot be forced. You either feel empathy or you don't.

I just wondered that since you posted about it and continue this conversation, you probably noticed this lack of empathy in yourself as well as maybe tendency in suspecting ulterior motive in people (mother did it for money and attention not out of love etc)

Is this ongoing issues for you? Thinking this way about people and lacking empathy?. Does it concern you? Have you ever mentioned it to your therapist?

Does it effect your life negatively? Or Does this attitude bring you happiness?
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