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Ditto ditto, my suicidal depressions are due to BPD too, but anything's worth a try. |
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#43
I'm finding that I have the same (lousy) behaviors, but now I am telling myself that I 'decide' to do them. I still need to figure out how to push myself over the edge into healthy decisions.
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I think that when you're starting out, it's best to make lots of tiny tiny decisions like the ones in #4 of this thread. When I put my socks on, for instance, I usually decide whether to put my left sock on first or my right sock on. If I go up a flight of stairs, sometimes I go two at a time, sometimes left foot first, sometimes right foot first (and if I'm in the mood, I will hop up the stairs like a bunny ). It's not that these are good or bad decisions, it's just that I actively decide (SNAP!) and I actively ENJOY deciding. Many many good things came for me later, but this is how I started out. I suspect that many good things are coming for you too and I suspect that you will decide not to do your lousy behaviors naturally as you go. I find that snap club has something to do with meditation and present moment awareness. In Buddhist monasteries, they sometime have a "bell of mindfulness" that rings occasionally throughout the day to remind you to be in the present moment. I find that my SNAPs do that for me. When I SNAP and decide, I am conscious and truly alive at that moment. Sure, I might make a mistake, but I'm OK with that. I feel safe. I feel like if I am present with my full self, things will work out. - vital |
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#45
I'm going to stick my general advice for depressives here so I don't have to keep looking for it... - vital
------------------- Before taking antidepressants, I would advise anyone to look at these two links: Why Antidepressants Don't Work for Treating Depression*|*Mark Hyman, MD Celexa (Citalopram) Withdrawal Symptoms: How Long Will They Last? ALSO I really recommend listening to this talk About 13:44 in, he talks about depression specifically and points out the any of the following can cause it: 1. Gluten -> Autoimmune disease thyroid 2. Acid reflux -> acid blockers -> vitamin B12 deficiency 3. Vitamin D deficiency 4. Took antibiotics -> Altered gut flora -> Changes the way peptides and neurotransmitters are produced 5. Love Sushi -> Mercury poisoning 6. Hate fish -> Omega 3 deficiency 7. Love sugar -> Prediabetes Every one of these things causes depression, the treatments for each are different and none of them will be helped by antidepressants. There are lots of things to do besides exercise that are good for depression and healthy for you anyway. You can find some in the "depression success stories" section of this site. Also, because it worked for me and is so easy, and because I think it's really getting directly to the cause of depression, I recommend trying "SNAP CLUB" as described in this thread. As Steven Colbert says, I'LL SEE YOU IN HEALTH!! - vital Last edited by vital; Nov 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM.. |
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#46
Thank you for this post Vital. I have tried this game immediately after reading this. I have to say it seems to be doing something good. Anyways, I am going to follow it through tomorrow.
I hope it helps me in some way, really losing hope these days tbh! |
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Say, for example that I'm working on an important paper for school and I suddenly feel like watching a basketball game, snap my fingers and start watching and don't get my paper done? What if I suddenly feel like having a drink or smoking some weed and I snap my fingers and do it? While ruminating and dwelling on decisions is surely bad, surely overly impulsive decisions can have negative effects too. What do you do to counter this? |
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The idea is not to make IMPULSIVE decisions, but rather to make CONSCIOUS decisions. You don't really have to worry about that when you start out anyway, because it's best to just make lots and lots of tiny decisions that don't have any big consequences. See #4 and #44 of this thread for examples. If you try out SNAP CLUB that way, I think you'll find that shockingly few of the things you do in your daily life are preceded by any conscious decision at all. The moment when you SNAP gives you a chance to be conscious about it. "Am I really going to quit working on this paper now and watch basketball?" Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not trying to run your life, just free you up to truly decide for yourself. You might want to also look at #45 for my general advice including getting yourself a nice medical checkup. I'LL SEE YOU IN HEALTH!! - vital Last edited by vital; Nov 12, 2014 at 10:05 PM.. |
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It must be working. I have noticed a decrease in my negative thoughts and a few positive ones replacing them.
I have also started a healthy eating plan which is going well. I guess the next step will be adding exercise. I am hoping all the fresh friut and veg will increase my energy and lift my moods. Good luck to everyone who is trying snap! Thanks again vital for sharing your sucess story |
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I'm doing the snapping right now. I started like 10 mins ago and it's really making me feel like every action matters. It makes me feel happy somehow. I feel like I'm doing something in my life. I feel like I'm accomplishing MANY things by just snapping. Wow. It's also distracting me from suicidal thoughts and depression. It's making me feel active.
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Beachlover that is great to hear! Anything that is this simple that can distract you from your depression and suicidal thoughts is a good thing! I hope it continues to help you. Keep us posted.
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Holy crap vital. I read what you wrote again after not really reading it thoroughly when I first read this. You are VERY intelligent and a GENIUS. You're right. Therapy hasn't helped me so much. Yes maybe challenge my thoughts from time to time but my depression got worse.
It's ALL about action. It's all about making conscious decisions for a depressed person to get better. I have been just getting by. I felt no pleasure from life anymore. I've been trying SUPER hard to try and have HOPE and POSITIVITY. I have definitely been procrastinating that's a fact. It's all because I'm waiting until I get fear that I need to do it, that's why I wait till the last minute to do things so I can finish it vs. doing them on my own will. I've been snapping for the past 30 minutes and I feel joy and empowerment from the snaps. I feel like I am emotionally getting better. My mind is not on suicidal thoughts but more about, wow, I make lots of decisions in such a short period of time. I absolutely think this will work. I am serious. What is pretty difficult is remembering to this at all times but I'm desperate for help. So I will for sure keep the Snap Club in mind as much as I can. I am also getting medication for the first time soon so I hope that will help also. I just want to say you are a genius. Not even therapists know what you know. They're trying to do what they can to help but they don't know that a depressed person is on autopilot each day and not motivated to do anything. Snapping before making a decision is so empowering and makes me feel joy. Thank you. This Snap club should be published and be turned into an activity that all therapists tell their clients. It's crazy. You're a genius. (I'm snapping before hitting send ) |
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#53
Hi Beachlover!
I am SO happy you're feeling better. I can tell that you're REALLY feeling those SNAPs and you can already feel your depression dissolving. I am so happy for you. Don't worry about it if you forget for a while. I forget too, but I just let any bad thought or feeling remind me - Oh yeah, I don't have to do that anymore. Keep in touch if you have any questions. - vital |
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I agree with beach lover. It really does help. My thinking paterns are becoming more positive and when a negative one slips in i can naturally snap out of it! You are a geniou vital. I wish everyone new about this. Thankyou so much for coming on here with the perpose of helping others.
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#55
To have some fun with the magic of snapping, I have collected almost all images of people in the act of snapping their fingers that I could easily find in google.
What are these people feeling? Vitality and empowerment or depression and helplessness? SNAP CLUB you be the judge. Happy Thanksgiving. - vital |
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#56
vital, this sounds revolutionary and amazing. i am going to try it
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#57
I'm going to try this too!
Vital, you mentioned you are also taking supplements - what are you taking and how much? I've been taking omega 3 fish oil with added vitamin E. |
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The supplements that I take are mostly recommendations from "The Ultramind solution" by Mark Hyman and from Andrew Weil's books and web sites. I've listed the quantities and brands below. It seems like a lot, but much of it is in a multivitamin. My current diet is low carb, mostly plants, not quite vegetarian. In summary, I take a multivitamin, Omega 3, B vitamins, D, Acetyl-L-Carnitine, L-Tyrosine, and various anti-oxidants. - vital med.nutype----med.nutrient-----------med.amount--med.unit---med.brand---------- amino acid....L-Tyrosine...................1000..mg.........GNC................ amino acid....L-Tyrosine...................1000..mg.........GNC................ vitamin.......Vitamin A...................18000..IU.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Vitamin C.....................250..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Vitamin D3....................400..IU.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Vitamin E.....................100..IU.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Thiamin.......................100..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Riboflavin....................100..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Niacin........................100..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Vitamin B6....................100..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Folic Acid....................400..mcg........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Vitamin B12...................100..mcg........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Biotin........................100..mcg........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Pantothenic Acid..............100..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Calcium........................50..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Iron...........................18..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Phosphorus.....................30..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Iodine........................225..mcg........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Magnesium......................40..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Zinc...........................15..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Selenium.......................50..mcg........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Copper..........................2..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Manganese.......................7..mg.........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Chromium.......................25..mcg........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Molybdenum.....................15..mcg........Whole Foods........ mineral.......Potassium......................10..mg.........Whole Foods........ compound......Inositol......................100..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Choline........................50..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......PABA...........................30..mg.........Whole Foods........ food..........Betain HCL.....................25..mg.........Whole Foods........ amino acid....Glutamic acid HCL..............25..mg.........Whole Foods........ food..........Rose hips.......................5..mg.........Whole Foods........ vitamin.......Vitamin D3...................1000..IU.........GNC................ food..........Probiotics......................1..tablet.....365................ mineral.......Calcium.......................500..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. mineral.......Magnesium.....................500..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. amino acid....Acetyl-L-Carnitine............750..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. amino acid....Acetyl-L-Carnitine............750..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. anti-oxidant..Resveratrol...................250..mg.........Reserveage Organics anti-oxidant..Alpha-Lipoic Acid.............300..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. anti-oxidant..Alpha-Lipoic Acid.............300..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. herb..........Eyebright.....................800..mg.........Nature's Answer.... vitamin.......Folic Acid....................800..mcg........The Vitamin Shoppe. amino acid....Acetyl-L-Carnitine............750..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. amino acid....Acetyl-L-Carnitine............750..mg.........The Vitamin Shoppe. food..........Probiotics......................1..tablet.....365................ oil...........Fish Oil.....................1725..mg.........Nordic Naturals.... oil...........Evening Primrose Oil..........500..mg.........Whole Foods........ amino acid....L-Tyrosine...................1000..mg.........GNC................ amino acid....L-Tyrosine...................1000..mg.........GNC................ |
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Thanks, Vital!
Wow, you take quite a lot. Did you ever have any negative reactions to the supplements? (I've had, to magnesium/zinc in the past - then I started eating meat, like a doctor recommended) I'm thinking at least some of your energy/vitality may come from the supplements/nutrition? As for the SNAP club, I've managed to get up a bit earlier today with the help of it (I 'snapped' and chose to lie in and just tossed and turned in bed quite a few times before that lol) I find it quite mischievous and playful, maybe that's the point? We'll see how it goes... Thank you for sharing it! |
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It does seem like a lot, but a lot from the list is just the contents of the multivitamin. I've never had a negative reaction to supplements, but that is a great point for anyone else reading this. My understanding is that you should not really exceed the recommended amounts on any of these supplements. Something that may be good for you in the right quantities might be not so good for you if you take too much. As for SNAP CLUB, I think it's a wonderful sign that you're being playful and creative with it. I feel that too. I am almost guaranteed to be smiling when I SNAP, even for the smallest thing. I have a feeling of pure joyful power and playfulness and creativity even for my small nonsense decisions. It's partly also a HUGE relief. Every time I do it, it reminds me that I have somewhere to go if things go bad, that I don't have to suffer as I used to ANY MORE. - vital |
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