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#26
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In DBT I am learning about opposite-to-emotion action. On the surface, it may look like "fake it till you make it," but the big difference is, you're not denying your true feelings. For example, if I'm feeling sad and want to choose to act opposite, I might put on upbeat music. But I'm still acknowledging that I'm feeling sad. I'm not telling myself, "Hey, I feel great! I'm happy as a clam! Rock on!"
Similarly, getting up and going to work when you don't want to, staying at the party even though you feel like leaving, etc, are "opposite to emotion" actions. But they are done by choice, not because you're denying how you really feel. |
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"Fake it until you make it" probably isn't a cure, but there are huge benefits. When I look back at the way I spent the past day, month, or year, I'd much rather have something to show for it. I feel better about myself when I see that I actually did something vs. when I spent the week binge watching Breaking Bad or whatever. When I spend the week doing nothing but surfing the internet, I feel even worse.
I also find that I get stuck in a rut where I don't feel like leaving the house or getting dressed or doing much of anything. If I 'force' myself to do something I don't feel like doing, it does help break me out of that rut. It's just really hard to do sometimes ![]() |
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A couple of days ago, as I mentioned in class just last night, I was feeling a bit gloomy and put on a playlist full of sad songs to match my mood. I was aware it's supposed to be *opposite* to emotion action, but I consciously chose to listen to the sad music because I wanted to. Note I was merely feeling gloomy, not in the throes of a deep depression, and I didn't necessarily want to change that. I told myself that if the sad music started worsening my mood, and it got unbearable, I'd turn it off and do something else. It didn't get unbearable. In fact, it was pretty cathartic. The DBT therapist seemed OK with this, because the more important thing was me being aware of how I was feeling, and choosing what to do about it rather than acting on impulse. I was in control of the situation, is what matters most. It turns out, that was a DBT technique too. It was called "observe and describe" the emotion. I was also taking a "non-judgmental stance" by letting myself experience that without telling myself it was unhealthy, or I shouldn't. I've heard people say they hate sad music because it makes them cry, and my response is, you probably had something in there you needed to cry about, and the music only brought it to the surface. People's opinions differ, but that's mine. |
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Friends,
I see so many of you saying that it doesn't work for them. I also see some doubting my statement that "Fake it until you BECOME it" doesn't work. I have no issues regarding that. However, I have something more to add here. Under normal circumstances, the word "fake" has negative meaning attached to it, and unconsciously we accept that meaning as truth. I don't know who wrote the phrase "Fake it until you make it" but my belief is that s/he did it with by taking a bit of poetic liberty and used the words "fake" and "make" so that they rhyme with each other. My belief is that what the author actually meant by the word fake was "PRACTICE". Now all those who say that faking hasn't worked for them, can they really say that they have PRACTICED whatever they wanted to achieve with all sincerity? I guess not. Somebody talked about "someone who is mentally ill" faking it to become "non mentally ill". I ask her/him that we are not talking about mentally ills here. For them we have better qualified Doctors and Institutions who would help them. I am talking about PRACTICING (faking) anything in the simplest format to begin with with all sincerity and then challenge what has been said. If that were not the case people would not practice any games for hours altogether to become winners, or the Pilots practice in simulators before they took charge of those huge Jumbos. Have fun guys. BECOME it. |
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I know I have put my best effort into things I wanted to achieve, and still failed...but that is largely do to all the mental crap I have to suffer with. Not so sure I quite get the term practice here...I mean how do you practice 'being happy' when you have depression. I can certainly act ok for a while but its not like practicing where the 'skill' gradually improves. I learned how to type fast without looking at the keyboard through practice, and can even type with my eyes closed. But then I had a therapist think I should more or less 'practice' walking up to other kids at school and interacting...but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't do it....its a mix of not knowing what to do/say and being severely afraid of potential rejection, ridicule and such.
it doesn't seem like 'practice' would help that even to this day I can only initiate interaction if its someone I know or its a situation where it is obviously appropriate like to ask the cashier for a pack of cigarettes...and even then I get really nervous. But yes I am thinking of this in the context of having depression or other mental illness, as it was in the depression thing so my assumption was the question is 'does fake it till you make it work for depression' which I would say maybe for mild depression or if someone who is otherwise mentally healthy gets stuck in a rut...but for more severe cases I feel it can end up being detrimental. |
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I would have to say NO! My ex spouse...used to be in AA and sponsored people and chaired meetings. He used to present that all the time. "Fake it til you make it."
I would only have to say it only teaches you to fake things all the way...and you just might get better at it. It grew and grew and everything about him is fake. Sadly hes a pot head and always fakes being clean and sober. When I was abused by him he was very skilled in faking his way out of everything. he even fakes emotional expressions and even learned how to fake caring. After a while I just looked at him one day as he faked an emotion and it was the most ridiculous thing I saw. It was pretty scary. It can actually cause imbalances to your thinking and mind and corrupt it. Just be genuine and start from there. Genuine people are great people. |
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#34
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In my experience - NO. Your brain knows that you are faking it. So all it does is reinforces that you are a liar. Not useful in any way.
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Rather then that idea. "Fake it..." I like "implement and perfect". The other idea might make me believe I all ready made it when I am not even close. Besides I can not stand lying to myself 😀
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I think it can work for mild or moderate depression. It has never worked for me in a severe depression. I think the idea is for example if I can force myself to take a walk that the exercise will change my brain so I actually do feel better.
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I personally think that the phrase is more of a sarcastic way of saying "press on until you persevere", encouraging one to not let anything get in the way of their progress; a way of saying, carry on with what you need to do as if nothing can get in the way & stop you from getting to where you want to be until you finally get to where your going. A way of "blocking out outside inferences that would impede your progress. I don't use the phase in a "literal" sense.
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My Marketing teacher and I were discussing this the other day. In some situations I think it works. We were discussing it in the sense of adopting supposedly confidence increasing poses. Such as the way you sit and stand. I find if that I feel more confident when I sit/stand in more confident poses. There was a Ted Talk that discussed this, can't recall the name though.
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I love prabs response!
Also telling yourself the positive outcome in it would help rather than forcing yourself if that is what you are doing. Force gets you no where most of the time. It's like trying to force an object double your weight with more weight weighing you down along with it. You seem to need more patience and time to help that desire. That is when you will slowly have the weight lifted off and then will be able to push the object. Look in a positive direction in that desire. Look at all the paths it would take you if you accept it. It takes patience to let old habits to go away. Like the habit of letting go of the desire that you feel you need. Taking short cuts most of the time make the situation worse; which is the desire of wanting it NOW. That won't happen! |
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In my experience, it doesn't work...I've tried exercising (I used to exercise 5X a day) and just end up feeling worse to make me not want to do it even more. I wish there was a solution for this, without meds.
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I agree... endeavor to persevere
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Definitely not the end-all tactic. I still have my days where I just want to run away to I don't know where but can't even leave my room... cue the circle of madness ![]() Fake it has been helpful in that sense for me, I also do it with music when i'm driving and feeling particularly crappy. Doesn't change much except i'm not focusing on the bad stuff for a second. Coincidentally i'm doing that as I type this, just with the words and keyboard sounds ![]() |
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