Why can't I help myself?

ajohnson45 · Dec 06, 2014, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxious Minds

God?

Why would he (or she or it depending on what you believe) want you to suffer in life?

Seems there's a mixed bag when it come to religion. On the one hand, it is suggested that God wants you to be happy. On the other, there's a line of thought that suggests that present suffering is meant to enhance future glory (i.e. happiness).

The first case would obviously discredit that it's God's plan for you to suffer.

The second one is interesting because if it were true that God wanted you to suffer to be happy in an afterlife, then that would mean we all were predestined to suffer (not just some, as you suggested in your post). But there are very happy, good, and religious people who know success and happiness. Are they missing the boat?

On the other hand, you might interpret the suffer now, be happy later thing to mean that your present suffering exists merely to contrast what it feels like to be happy. For without that suffering, you wouldn't know what it was to BE happy. Happiness, then, would only exist because suffering exists.

Despite where you might fall on this belief scale, I think that the thing to glean from this is that no matter what you believe, suffering is only meant to be TEMPORARY, if it is even intended at all.

Sorry for getting philosophical on you, but I wanted to bring that up to have you think about what you're saying and perhaps suggest there might be an even more powerful belief lurking behind it. Usually when a belief doesn't stand up to scrutiny like this it's because we are using it to mask an unconscious belief that is actually driving us. One that we may not even be aware of...unless we choose to examine it.

Because Jesus suffered even though he didn't do anything wrong.

Bmee2 · Dec 07, 2014, 02:15 PM

I have not read all of the posts. I may repeat what others have said. I apologize. The reason I think many can see and feel for others is the vantage point. One can see others much better than one can see oneself due to the placement of our eyes. One cannot see one's face without a mirror unless he or she is visually impaired. Thus awful situations may not be impossible to get out of if viewed from....the air, across the street, under the covers, from the pet's point of view, or from the stranger's point of view. This is how a therapist, best friend, counselor, or doctor, can help. Some doctors do not have the needed compassion, but all in all, it is this other view that can help us find a way to hold on and possibly find a way to get out of what seem impossible. At the very least the other point of view can remind you that there is in fact another way of looking at your individual situation.

KristenRenee · Dec 07, 2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StbGuy

Why is it that I can see the pain, struggles and situations of others, especially on PC, and feel such deep empathy and sorrow for them? And, wish so much that the person gets help, and know that they deserve help. Why is it that I can see the person is a deserving person and needs love and attention, why all of this, and then I can't, for the life of me, see that I need these things too to make me healthy again? When it comes to me, every chance or suggestion of help I turn down and I just say I'll think about it. I never do, I just forget about it.

I can identify so much with what others are saying who have depression and I can immediately see how much they are hurting. Then, when I try to have compassion for myself, it all just fades and I think I deserve everything that is happening to me. I don't seek help and I don't allow anyone to help me. Why have I turned on myself, the one person who needs me the most?

Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Hi there. I too feel the same way you do. I am my own worst enemy. It's like I know what I should be doing to help myself, but I don't do it. I wish I had the answer but I don't. I just try praying and leaving it in gods hands. It is what it is. Wish you well.

Dec 07, 2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ajohnson45

The big guy in the sky

Not Him, it's the horned-guy down below

. He will try and make life as difficult as possible so you give up and give in, thus making you fail.

Dec 07, 2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmee2

I have not read all of the posts. I may repeat what others have said. I apologize. The reason I think many can see and feel for others is the vantage point. One can see others much better than one can see oneself due to the placement of our eyes. One cannot see one's face without a mirror unless he or she is visually impaired. Thus awful situations may not be impossible to get out of if viewed from....the air, across the street, under the covers, from the pet's point of view, or from the stranger's point of view. This is how a therapist, best friend, counselor, or doctor, can help. Some doctors do not have the needed compassion, but all in all, it is this other view that can help us find a way to hold on and possibly find a way to get out of what seem impossible. At the very least the other point of view can remind you that there is in fact another way of looking at your individual situation.

I find even a photo of yourself or a video can shed new light on other's viewpoint. Unfortunately, you may not like what you see and you cannot unsee it again.

ajohnson45 · Dec 08, 2014, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by StbGuy

Not Him, it's the horned-guy down below

. He will try and make life as difficult as possible so you give up and give in, thus making you fail.

Probably. I don't consider myself a human being anymore. I am too messed up to be one.

Creative1onder · Dec 08, 2014, 07:42 AM

Its a battle between you, the demons and God. One dark and one light side. Whos strongest and wisest, you, the demons or God. I read something It was God who was there walking beside you guiding you when you were in the darkest loneliest times. You couldn't see thats cause he was the force carrying you on. I believe God has helped me to have some strength, courage and to keep going. You don't want to let the dark negativities control and ruin who you are and what you can be.