[little turtle]

love is patient....love is kind...yes
I think that our relationships should be loving and kind...
we are helped by giving and receiving love....
I try very hard at this.....it is so very hard....
especially when you are depressed or in pain...

[DechanDawa]

Originally Posted by little turtle

love is patient....love is kind...yes
I think that our relationships should be loving and kind...
we are helped by giving and receiving love....
I try very hard at this.....it is so very hard....
especially when you are depressed or in pain...

the turtle seems woven with love

[little turtle]

Originally Posted by DechanDawa

the turtle seems woven with love

not so much....I have to keep thinking about this...it helps me...
I have so much anger inside....I see so much abuse and ignorance..
I see so many mistakes being made with health care...
I see so many problems in America ...I see such hate..

and I don't want to turn that anger against myself....
I have done that so much....I am guilty about some things ...
but I don't have a criminal record ...no yet....
I have an idea about that...I see others turning their anger on
themselves and others who are not guilty...I wonder how much suicide is anger turned in....I am just wondering..they beat themselves up because they cant beat the person who has wronged them...

love is the antidote for me right now

[DechanDawa]

Originally Posted by little turtle

not so much....I have to keep thinking about this...it helps me...
I have so much anger inside....I see so much abuse and ignorance..
I see so many mistakes being made with health care...
I see so many problems in America ...I see such hate..

and I don't want to turn that anger against myself....
I have done that so much....I am guilty about some things ...
but I don't have a criminal record ...no yet....
I have an idea about that...I see others turning their anger on
themselves and others who are not guilty...I wonder how much suicide is anger turned in....I am just wondering..they beat themselves up because they cant beat the person who has wronged them...

love is the antidote for me right now

Well, in his video Dr. Peter Breggin says make this an affirmation: "Love is the source of my power." He says if you say that and start to believe it that within a month you will start attracting people who want to love you. I find this to be an outrageous claim but I have been practicing saying "Love is the source of my power" to myself.

Right now all my anger is toward myself. I find it almost impossible to think one nice thought about myself. I think this must be due to my present state of depression. I find it easier to send love "out there" than receive it "in here."

love is the source of turtle's power

[Fuzzybear]

[EnglishDave]

Even True Love can subject you to the ultimate betrayal, rip out your heart and knock your Mood down a few more notches.

I want no part of it any more.

Dave.

[DechanDawa]

Originally Posted by EnglishDave

Even True Love can subject you to the ultimate betrayal, rip out your heart and knock your Mood down a few more notches.

I want no part of it any more.

Dave.

This is true, but what about love called agape, which is positive regard or friendliness. I hear you about the betrayal, and I daresay everyone who has depression has suffered such wounds. I have. But then I think...on the other person's part it wasn't true love...it was their narcissistic dance.

We can love true and also not get hurt, I think. Maybe. I guess I am willing to try. How about you, Dave? You seem like such a gentle soul who is always so helpful on this forum. Isn't love just a teeny bit your source of power?

[EnglishDave]

I would not describe my driving force as 'love'. More a genuine empathy and a deep caring for those on this difficult Journey with me. I believe I am too damaged and jaded to be any deeper emotionally attached - even in Real Life.

I was shown neither love nor attention in childhood, outward expression has always been difficult, especially with my Mental Health issues. Now I believe my ability to show Love has been irrepairably broken.

This is more fuel to Depression's fire.

Dave.

[little turtle]

Originally Posted by EnglishDave

I would not describe my driving force as 'love'. More a genuine empathy and a deep caring for those on this difficult Journey with me. I believe I am too damaged and jaded to be any deeper emotionally attached - even in Real Life.

I was shown neither love nor attention in childhood, outward expression has always been difficult, especially with my Mental Health issues. Now I believe my ability to show Love has been irrepairably broken.

This is more fuel to Depression's fire.

Dave.

dave do you like others to be patient and kind with you...

[EnglishDave]

Originally Posted by little turtle

dave do you like others to be patient and kind with you...

With my fragile Mental State and my multiple physical Disabilities and illnesses I have to have a life where I only interact with those who are patient and kind - as much as that is possible. I only really see family (there are stresses there) and Medical Staff now in the Real World. Even here, I have cut out those who were not kind - family and Psychologists who damaged me and made my life unbearable.

Online, I have recently had a situation which hurt me greatly on another Site. With the Position the instigator held, I felt the only way I could start to recover was to withdraw from that Site completely. I have lost a great deal in doing this, true friends and a support structure for some of my issues, but I cannot function in a toxic environment.

That doesn't mean I do not thoroughly enjoy debate and people holding widely differing views - your thought-provoking Threads, Turtle, are very entertaining.

Dave.

[little turtle]

Originally Posted by EnglishDave

With my fragile Mental State and my multiple physical Disabilities and illnesses I have to have a life where I only interact with those who are patient and kind - as much as that is possible. I only really see family (there are stresses there) and Medical Staff now in the Real World. Even here, I have cut out those who were not kind - family and Psychologists who damaged me and made my life unbearable.

Online, I have recently had a situation which hurt me greatly on another Site. With the Position the instigator held, I felt the only way I could start to recover was to withdraw from that Site completely. I have lost a great deal in doing this, true friends and a support structure for some of my issues, but I cannot function in a toxic environment.

That doesn't mean I do not thoroughly enjoy debate and people holding widely differing views - your thought-provoking Threads, Turtle, are very entertaining.

Dave.

dave I am with you....I cant stand to be around mean people....I feel like I want to ??????them...I also have been hurt badly....I think we are good guys...and there are some very kind people on this site....I have noticed a couple of negative persons here....but we can deal with them...we can make this a good healthy environment...

[DechanDawa]

EnglishDave...I had to leave two other sites. One was out-and-out toxic and mis-managed. Several members chose to continue to email me off the site. On another site there was a situation as you described. One member made it impossible for me to stay, which was sad. I feel that Psych Central does not have the problems I encountered on these other sites. However, when online everyone must be careful, just as in real life. I hope you will always find this a safe and comfortable place, all things considered. It is, after all, cyberspace!

[little turtle]

Originally Posted by DechanDawa

EnglishDave...I had to leave two other sites. One was out-and-out toxic and mis-managed. Several members chose to continue to email me off the site. On another site there was a situation as you described. One member made it impossible for me to stay, which was sad. I feel that Psych Central does not have the problems I encountered on these other sites. However, when online everyone must be careful, just as in real life. I hope you will always find this a safe and comfortable place, all things considered. It is, after all, cyberspace!

love does not dishonor others..love rejoices with the truth

[little turtle]

I am having trouble loving myself...I feel like such a coward...
I have such a problem... just saying what I truly believe...
I am so afraid that those close to me will make fun of my sensitive self..

[Fuzzybear]

Originally Posted by little turtle

dave I am with you....I cant stand to be around mean people....I feel like I want to ??????them...I also have been hurt badly....I think we are good guys...and there are some very kind people on this site....I have noticed a couple of negative persons here....but we can deal with them...we can make this a good healthy environment...

I can't stand being around mean people either. Thank you for being one of the kind people in this world - I think we are good guys (bears) too ((((((( little turtle ))))))

(((((( kind and sensitive little turtle ))))))

(((((( kind and sensitive fuzzy paws ))))))

Yes there are always some who make fun of people who are sensitive. I think they are losing out, they never get to know us. But I suppose we miss out too

[Sunflower123]

Originally Posted by little turtle

I am having trouble loving myself...I feel like such a coward...
I have such a problem... just saying what I truly believe...
I am so afraid that those close to me will make fun of my sensitive self..

I hear you and understand. I feel the same way. You are a good person. This world needs more like you.

[Fuzzybear]

Originally Posted by Jennifer 1967

I hear you and understand. I feel the same way. You are a good person. This world needs more like you.

I agree....