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Old Jun 06, 2012, 08:47 PM
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I have never seen this, but i have been manipulated and hurt by people. This girl manipulated those around her and you were hurt. You were also hurt by the team of professionals misdiagnosing the both of you. Also letting her go on so long like she did was
probably not good either. I'm very sorry this happened to you. Her treatment and diagnosis shouldnt have affected yours. That was unfair to BOTH of you. You are separate individuals and each individual is unique and different. You could have both been DID. Two depressed individuals can act completely different. One might sleep all the time, the other maybe cant sleep at all. One might cry, the other might get angry and violent. Yet they are both just as depressed.
We are complex beings. I am more angry at the treatment providers than the girl who was "faking" DID. She is ill and needs treatment. She has a reason for her behavior. The counselors,
therapists or psychiatrists were just the same small minded unlistening numbskulls i' ve encountered too many times to count.
Stupid small minded un listening numbskulls!!! I ( we ) would like to teach them a little about d.i.d.....I have had my share of dumb numskulls diagnosing me with crap...It makes me angry too about the girl faking d.i.d....if the counselors knew what the heck they were doing they would have " known and called this girl out...yea shes a sicko...and is in need of help.

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Old Jun 07, 2012, 02:14 AM
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I was dxed with DID by pdoc and my T still insisted i was psychotic. That's ok because she left the clinic and ive been without a T for about a month and a half. They assigned me a new one today that can only see clients in afternoons. Thats when im working. Let me tell ya , this clinic is greeeaaat. Can you hear my sarcasm? This was also PERFECT timing as my brother is deadly ill in hospital and
tomorrow i get tested for the same genetic disease which family is pretty sure i have as i display same symptoms. He is just sicker because he is 7 years older and it's worse older you get. Still i miss a week of work every month and now it' s starting to be more. I'm figjting with everything i have not to get suicidal.
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Old Jun 07, 2012, 06:41 PM
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I have been in plenty of DDU treatment centers where the people that had like 100% insurance seemed to take every group therapy over. It used to steam me up in-patient until one day my in-patient T told me, he said those that WANT to have MPD are Sicker then Those that actually DO have MPD.

Regardless if it were true or not, it did calm me down and look at it from a different perspective.

So yeah there are people faking all sorts of disorders. That is why I feel it is so important to have a doctor that did the tests etc.. and make the diagnosis.

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Old Jun 08, 2012, 08:49 AM
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My old t often said she wished for DID, imagine it, for people that didnt have to experience the extreme trauma, the people who dont really realize that in the switches we have absolutely no control of what our bodies do, the people who dont know what it feels like to have a complete year taken from your memory, they dont understand the oain that follows DID, they only see what they want to see about it, they only see it as an escape from pain or a reason to act out. It makes me more saddened for their ignorance. My aunt, who is just one year older than me is playing that card. I might have believed her but... shes known about, and used it against me when meeting possible male dates of mine including telling my fiance the day i met him, shes always used my DID diagnosis against me. In the beginning of may i had a melt down. My grandma has been visiting frequently to keep me company in this difficult time and ive been telling her a lot of things ive been going through, and things i went through, then just last week my aunt claims the same things and now she has DID, i may have believed her, had i not known her. She frequently fakes pregnancy, brain tumors, anything to gain sympathy. Now she claims her dad molested her. This may be true as ive had my suspicions of him, but apparently when she recalled those memories, a demon personality came out of her. It took her a week after the appointment to call her mom and when her mom went in the house my aunt was rocking back and forth saying "they got me mom, they got me". Shes a good actor. I really would believe her, had i not known who she was. Shes a great actor. And even after learning what her dad did to her, within days she was at his house hugging him. A lot of the family doesnt believe her. Im not trained to diagnose, but i do know her, we grew up together. Anything i have, she has to have and has to have more than me, in any aspect of life. I only hope she isnt falsly accusing her father. While i have my suspicions of him, if he isnt that way, thats horrible for him because i know her. She doesnt like her dad, and she will do anything to anyone she doesnt like, to get attention. We grew up together like sisters, but when i called her to stand up for myself, she tried to have me thrown in jail.

But i dont get mad at her for faking DID, i feel sorry for her, it takes a much sicker person to fake something like this. I thought i had problems, she makes me and having this system, feel normal
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Old Jun 09, 2012, 02:13 PM
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It is bad enough when people fake online but it crosses a serious line when someone wastes the valuable time of treatment professionals--time that could have been better spent treating someone with true illness. I wish you the very best.
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I hope that people don't see me as being without empathy or that I'm trying to be combative or disrespectful to their thoughts on this issue, but I don't understand why we have to "pile on" other people who are obviously suffering from psychiatric issues. These individuals might not be presenting their problems in the same way we are or they feel the need to be unique and different and pick DID to express their intense need to be seen, but I truly believe that their emotional/psychiatric pain is no more or no less than my own.

Yes, I do believe that there are people so wounded and/or hurt that they have to make up disorders. Why? I think it's because we are a society/world that can often only focus on our own issues or our own pain. We get so focused on our own issues and forget that others have pain (just as raw and hurtful as our own but manifests differently. Some try desperate means to connect and receive help. Why would we feel distain or voice condemnation for that?

I do truly understand being frustrated and angry that a treatment team doesn't see my true needs or they dismiss my needs as unimportant or untreatable. But that isn't the fault of the other person acting out their mental health needs. I know without a doubt that other people are desperate, hurting and horribly adrift and alone. I believe that someone who "fakes" an illness is in need of just as much understanding and care that I am. I would guess that the person's deep hurts and feelings are just as painful and full of anguish as my own. She might not exhibit symptoms the same way or she might not be apologetic for her attempts to get help, but that doesnt mean that her needs are any less than my own.

Do I want to personally offer comfort or care for this person when I am in my own mental health spin? Absolutely NOT!!!! But I do want the mental health community to care for her and deal with her issues with as much as they need to pay attention to and care for my mental health concern. No one, in my opinion, needs to be dismissed or rejected for their mental health needs. If mental health attention and care is lacking for me, why would I wish it to be lacking for the other person just because he/she is confused and tangled in a web of lies?

I do believe that some people "fake" mental/physical symptom/disorders for financial gain. Those individuals do NOT have my sympathy or empathy. I recognize that she does this to fleece others of their hard earned money. This individual is a blood sucker and needs to be dealt with through the legal system. But if a person is seeking closeness, connection, human touch and/or human attention to soothe their abused, wounded and/or hurt soul, why would I wish them anything less than connection, deep caring empathy and solid professional attention and expertise? We all present our mental health needs differently and uniquely and we all deserve attention and care. Just my take on things
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Old Jun 10, 2012, 12:40 PM
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I hope that people don't see me as being without empathy or that I'm trying to be combative or disrespectful to their thoughts on this issue, but I don't understand why we have to "pile on" other people who are obviously suffering from psychiatric issues. These individuals might not be presenting their problems in the same way we are or they feel the need to be unique and different and pick DID to express their intense need to be seen, but I truly believe that their emotional/psychiatric pain is no more or no less than my own.

Yes, I do believe that there are people so wounded and/or hurt that they have to make up disorders. Why? I think it's because we are a society/world that can often only focus on our own issues or our own pain. We get so focused on our own issues and forget that others have pain (just as raw and hurtful as our own but manifests differently. Some try desperate means to connect and receive help. Why would we feel distain or voice condemnation for that?

I do truly understand being frustrated and angry that a treatment team doesn't see my true needs or they dismiss my needs as unimportant or untreatable. But that isn't the fault of the other person acting out their mental health needs. I know without a doubt that other people are desperate, hurting and horribly adrift and alone. I believe that someone who "fakes" an illness is in need of just as much understanding and care that I am. I would guess that the person's deep hurts and feelings are just as painful and full of anguish as my own. She might not exhibit symptoms the same way or she might not be apologetic for her attempts to get help, but that doesnt mean that her needs are any less than my own.

Do I want to personally offer comfort or care for this person when I am in my own mental health spin? Absolutely NOT!!!! But I do want the mental health community to care for her and deal with her issues with as much as they need to pay attention to and care for my mental health concern. No one, in my opinion, needs to be dismissed or rejected for their mental health needs. If mental health attention and care is lacking for me, why would I wish it to be lacking for the other person just because he/she is confused and tangled in a web of lies?

I do believe that some people "fake" mental/physical symptom/disorders for financial gain. Those individuals do NOT have my sympathy or empathy. I recognize that she does this to fleece others of their hard earned money. This individual is a blood sucker and needs to be dealt with through the legal system. But if a person is seeking closeness, connection, human touch and/or human attention to soothe their abused, wounded and/or hurt soul, why would I wish them anything less than connection, deep caring empathy and solid professional attention and expertise? We all present our mental health needs differently and uniquely and we all deserve attention and care. Just my take on things
Like I made pretty clear in my original post in any other situation I would feel for the person involved, but since it had directly involved me, I was pretty upset. Since I had spent years undiagnosed and very sick/getting more sick. I said I felt badly about being mad at her, you really don't need to make me feel worse about it. I think I'm allowed to be upset with her. You have no idea what I went through being undiagnosed. I nearly died. I could have died.

I can't be upset at the professionals involved. I still have to put up with them, and I have a part that absolutely HATES them and if I give him any fuel at all, it's over, I'll loose them. I'll loose med management, I'll loose my rides to therapy. I'll loose everything.
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Old Jun 10, 2012, 03:19 PM
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Jaybird, when someone was once writing me online and mocking my experience of schizophrenia another person told me a story of someone in her family faking cancer for attention. She told me compassion was in order and to some extent I agree. But I have a limit when their immaturity crosses the line and begins to be hurtful or hinders the care of someone who may need treatment immediately. I do see your point as we all need attention and care at some point in our lives but there comes a time when enough is enough and the professionals need to escort people like this to a treatment better suited for them and far away from the people they are mocking.
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LydiaB, I'm sorry that happened. When people do that, it only makes it harder for people who are really going through that stuff. I think that people who go around faking stuff like that do need some serious help and it may be a sign of something else. However, it is still totally unfair. You have every right to be angry. ((((((((HUGS)))))))
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Old Jun 14, 2012, 08:47 PM
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Like I made pretty clear in my original post in any other situation I would feel for the person involved, but since it had directly involved me, I was pretty upset. Since I had spent years undiagnosed and very sick/getting more sick. I said I felt badly about being mad at her, you really don't need to make me feel worse about it. I think I'm allowed to be upset with her. You have no idea what I went through being undiagnosed. I nearly died. I could have died.

I can't be upset at the professionals involved. I still have to put up with them, and I have a part that absolutely HATES them and if I give him any fuel at all, it's over, I'll loose them. I'll loose med management, I'll loose my rides to therapy. I'll loose everything.
I'm truly sorry and apologize that I caused you to feel upset, Lydia. That was not my intention. I simply was pointing out that I have a strong urge NOT to dump on anyone that has mental health issues. I feel that the general public and mental health personnel do that more than we can ever imagine doing. I personally feel that individuals who need mental health, and there are many of us, need to stick together and support each other. I'm NOT saying that it makes it okay for you to have been denied services or care because of this individual. I just wanted to say that your denial of service was really NOT because of her issues, it was because the PROFESSIONALS who where assigned to give you and her care were not on up to date with what was needed professionally. I'm saying that we all need to stick togehter and NOT deny, hurt or degrade our fellow mental health consumers!
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Old Jun 14, 2012, 09:24 PM
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Jaybird, when someone was once writing me online and mocking my experience of schizophrenia another person told me a story of someone in her family faking cancer for attention. She told me compassion was in order and to some extent I agree. But I have a limit when their immaturity crosses the line and begins to be hurtful or hinders the care of someone who may need treatment immediately. I do see your point as we all need attention and care at some point in our lives but there comes a time when enough is enough and the professionals need to escort people like this to a treatment better suited for them and far away from the people they are mocking.
I do understand what you are saying, MickG, and I apologize if what I asy is offensive to you. BUT, and this is a big BUT for me, I will assert my belief that if we, who have mental health issues, "pile on and blame" OTHER mental health clients for the lack of in-adequate or poor diagonositc services for the rest of us, then we are in MAJOR trouble. As a group, whether we struggle to be empathetic to the individual's difficulties or not, we need to stick together and insist on good, solid and therapeutic services for all of us who suffer mental illness.

I'm not saying that I don't get irritated and enraged at certain individuals who seem to flaunt and disregard the usual social norms. . . I live next door to a woman who obviously refuses to take her medication and makes horrible and distrubing sexual comments to myself, other tenants and passerbys on a daily basis. Do I like it? Absolutely not!

Does she deserve less treatment and consideration than me. .. On any given day, I'd say absolutely, YES! But in reality, I know that isn't fair. She deserves the same respect, cooperation and coordination that any other human being that lives in my BIG apartment complex. I can tell her that her comments are inappropriate. I can choose to not respond to her when she attempts to pull me in socially. It all depends on how I want to treat her. . . . Professionals have or should have a stricker dictate or obligation in how they react to their clients. They are being paid for their service and they need to engage the client on a deep and personal level. They need to decide how they are going to diagnosis and provide adequate and appropriate treatment for the person. Their person feelings or his/her personal reactions to how others are treated or not treated should not under any circumstances influence how they plan their treatment for another individual in their care. Just my take on the situation.

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Old Jun 15, 2012, 10:52 AM
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I totally agree on both sides. It makes those who have DID, and are trying to genuinely learn and heal, it makes things so much harder. A lot of false information and all. But people fake ocd, bipolar, scizophrenia, they fake it all to be able to use it as an excuse to act out. But 9 out of 10 people need therapy, especially these kinds. I wouldnt want someone upset with me because my illness offends them, so i wouldnt do that to someone else, its their illness, like habitual liars. Id be upset if people were accusing me of "acting like someone im not" and got mad at me for a switch, cant get mad at someone else for acting like what theyre not, because acting DID is who they are
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Old Jun 15, 2012, 12:42 PM
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I've had people think on some sites and doctors thinking I was a lowlife faker. I believe fakers to be honest will go down to hell as pathological liars. That is just my belief.

There was a site that was awful to me called "schizophrenia.com" and they were absolutely SURE that I was a faker, even though I am not. I do present somewhat differently than the norm, but my current psychologist has said that is normal for someone with autism (professionally diagnosed at 5 years young).

The only problem is that I say too much too soon. I use technical terms but that is the only way I know how to explain things and I have seen that on several of the boards I go to that they diagnose themselves and say their symptoms in medical terms, in fact more than me!( according to doctors they would be fakers I guess)

My main problem is schizophrenia but I do have some dissociative symptoms. That is a coping mechanism (my dissociative symptoms are, I don't know if its true for anyone else. I get so stressed and i dissociate, therefore escaping the stressful situation). I had trauma in the past. Some doctors think I have borderline and others don't. Saying your symptoms in medical terms is suspicious to doctors. A big red flag but I can't help it. I also have some of the rare symptoms of schizophrenia, not just the obvious delusions and hallucinations what everyone knows about schizophrenia. I also have olfactory hallucinations which is incredibly rare in schizophrenia. Another big red flag, as well as visual hallucinations. Actually my hallucinations affect everything but taste but not all at once. Sad to say I have been in the hospital for a week each year since it started up again. It looks like to outsiders that I just want attention because I go there so often. I go there when I am out of control, not for attention. The only thing I like about the hospital is that I meet new people. I LOVE talking to the patients no matter how bad I feel, it makes me feel better. The reason why talking to patients is good is that they are similar to me and I would understand them better and they would understand me better. They are the main kind of people I get along with the best. In fact all 3 of my friends are mentally ill. So of course that would be my favorite thing about the hospital.

I hate the pills though because its getting me fatter and fatter. I am so huge. The only times I go to the nurses in the mental hospital are the times that I feel so out of control that I am going to act on hurting myself. If I was a faker, I would act weird just to get their attention and do it all the time, taking away their time from other patients. After I moved and the problems started up again, I was diagnosed with bipolar 1 disorder. After that is when I did extensive research on mental disorders. Then I was suddenly knowledgeable about mental health diagnoses. In fact I impress my current psychologist (she only understands because she is an expert on autism) but not anyone else because like I said before its a giant red flag. Other people think I am faking right away because of that medical knowledge. It sucks to not be believed. I struggled with that for years. There are more doctors who don't believe me than do believe me. Its only once they get to know me more that they know that I am not faking it. Its just when the first meet me that they think that.
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Old Jun 16, 2012, 12:46 PM
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Jaybird, you were not offensive at all. I totally understand that people needing treatment need to be guided by the professionals. I think this post just struck home with me as I am dealing with someone and their faking of illness. A blatent fake should not be tolerated but people who are misdiagnosed need to be correctly treated by those who are able to do so.
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