[XSleepingSiren21X]

Can you have a multiple personality, while having a GID?

I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder or other words, specifically Bi-gender. I also have borderline personality, if that helps, that's why I'm asking it here. In case anyone can relate or had had similar thoughts.

Well the reason I ask is because not only do I have a mental state of feeling like I mentally think and act like I'm more male, but I consider my male like qualities as another person, like a second persona.

Like most people with alters/multiple personality's, I give mine a name, characteristics, look, and even a personality(mostly considered my inner personality, but I don't consider it fully since it doesn't act at all or matches with my outer personality). I've been told by a psychiatrist that, that inner personality would and should be my 'real' personality, but I beg to differ immensely.

I put much thought into how I act so different to how my mind links up sometimes and how I perceive things, whether something triggers a certain thought or I act 'out of character' when I talk about something that I normal don't talk about.

I don't put much thought to it morally, I just go with it and I'm frankly just fine with it. I just don't know how or if it's ok to say or be seen as both gender dysphoria, or really just meaning I have multiple personalities.

When I think about it, I just take it as I'm just two different people, specifically genders, in one body, but when I think about my past and how I acted more like I was some 'tomboy' is what confuses me about the two. I don't know if there's a difference or if both disorders can work along side of it.

[Kiya]

It is certainly possible.
A. Most DIDs get many diagnoses before DID.
B. Many DIDs, including myself, have a being in them who is a different gender (or at least one). All the IRL people I know with DID have opposite gender alters within.
Best,
Kiya

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by XSleepingSiren21X

Can you have a multiple personality, while having a GID?

I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder or other words, specifically Bi-gender. I also have borderline personality, if that helps, that's why I'm asking it here. In case anyone can relate or had had similar thoughts.

Well the reason I ask is because not only do I have a mental state of feeling like I mentally think and act like I'm more male, but I consider my male like qualities as another person, like a second persona.

Like most people with alters/multiple personality's, I give mine a name, characteristics, look, and even a personality(mostly considered my inner personality, but I don't consider it fully since it doesn't act at all or matches with my outer personality). I've been told by a psychiatrist that, that inner personality would and should be my 'real' personality, but I beg to differ immensely.

I put much thought into how I act so different to how my mind links up sometimes and how I perceive things, whether something triggers a certain thought or I act 'out of character' when I talk about something that I normal don't talk about.

I don't put much thought to it morally, I just go with it and I'm frankly just fine with it. I just don't know how or if it's ok to say or be seen as both gender dysphoria, or really just meaning I have multiple personalities.

When I think about it, I just take it as I'm just two different people, specifically genders, in one body, but when I think about my past and how I acted more like I was some 'tomboy' is what confuses me about the two. I don't know if there's a difference or if both disorders can work along side of it.

here in Ny gender Identity Disorder and Dissociative Identity Disorder (your term multiple personality) are two different problems. DID is not about percieving oneself as male or female. its a mental disorder where through extreme trauma during very young childhood a child dissociates to the point where their mind literally breaks apart into two or more parts. then those two or more parts of that persons mind develops into alternate personalities with their own way of being... their own way of interacting, their own moods, their own ...everything that makes up a person right down to affecting a persons social, educational, occupational....life. here is where you can read more about what America goes by for what is DID....

http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...s-dsm-5-a.html

where as Gendar Identity Disorder is where a person is in confusion about their gendar...some feel more male when their physical body is female or vice versa. Some people resolve this conflict with in their self by going through gender reassignment surgery. I personally hate the term Gender Identity Disorder simply because for many people this is not a mental disorder but just a natural thing where in the womb their bodies happened to develop the wrong gender, kind of like some people are born with blue eyes and others are born with too many fingers or toes or other birth development problems that happen. I know many people who were born in the wrong gendered body or their parents had to make a choice when they were born and that choice turned out to be the wrong one. thats my personal opinion on it anyway.

as for your question can a person have more than one mental disorder, yes a person can have GID and DID. or depression and DID or schizophrenia and DID...my point is there are many people that have more than one diagnosis. here in NY having more than one diagnosis is called being dual diagnosed. I have many different diagnosis; many of which all share the same symptoms, which can make it a bit harder to know and treat which symptoms come from which problems.

my suggestion if you feel you may have a mental disorder or more than one mental disorder talk with your treatment providers they will tell you what your diagnosis are and why you have been diagnosed the way you have been.

editing to add...
here is a link to the sexual and gender issue forum board. you may find others who are trans gendered (ny's term for those who perceive their self to be different gender than their physical body gender) http://forums.psychcentral.com/sexual-gender-issues/

[XSleepingSiren21X]

Originally Posted by Kiya

It is certainly possible.
A. Most DIDs get many diagnoses before DID.
B. Many DIDs, including myself, have a being in them who is a different gender (or at least one). All the IRL people I know with DID have opposite gender alters within.
Best,
Kiya

Well for some occasions, my male persona doesn't come out unless something triggers him, or else I'm always in between or on my girly mode. Then again it always depends on what triggers me to be either or. I can't control either side I'm on is why I ask, because most people who are bi-gender I thought can control which side, so I was confused if it was really considered dissociation since I'm not able to easily switch or acknowledge much when I'm either my male persona or female. I know a lot about either side and I'm still trying to find many of my triggers for what gets them to come out. I can't get them to either present themselves when I want to and mainly with my male persona, he purposely doesn't want to show himself unless comfortable in certain settings. I'm not so concerned about my female persona only because I'm her most of the time and she's always on and off. Or else I'm most of the time feeling like neither gender.

I'm still in the middle of self identifying myself and I'm also working with a psychiatrist about all of it, just thought I'd ask though.

[Kiya]

yeah, really good questions! I've not heard of GID until now. But if the changes are being brought on by triggers, that is a clue (to me) that it is dissociation or alters or (?). Where, like you said, it's not so much that you are one or the other, but they are brought out and sometimes there's even a "neither". This is where therapists look for trauma in your life and soforth. Staying in the questions is good.

[XSleepingSiren21X]

Originally Posted by Kiya

yeah, really good questions! I've not heard of GID until now. But if the changes are being brought on by triggers, that is a clue (to me) that it is dissociation or alters or (?). Where, like you said, it's not so much that you are one or the other, but they are brought out and sometimes there's even a "neither". This is where therapists look for trauma in your life and soforth. Staying in the questions is good.

Yeah, I've dealt with a lot of emotional abuse and trauma from heartbreak and abandonment. Most of the reasons why I was diagnosed with borderline is why, but over the years I've grown up to live like I was more of a 'boy', which in cases with my parents they passed it as being a 'tomboy'. Over so much time I just made the 'boy' side of me as an imaginary male figure to fit out that side and behavior. To the point I started to show 'out of character' personality traits and behavior.

So then on I took it as I was two people as one and learned to cope with the other personality.

[-jimi-]

I know I'm not allowed to mess with diagnoses, so take this with a grain of salt.

But no I do not think you have GID. BTW GID is no longer a diagnosis, it has been replaced with gender dysphoria. Because the core of being transgender is that you are very unhappy about your physical gender, that is what causes you pain. If you are fine being different genders within, that is not gender dysphoria.

If you have one male and one female identity within, it is not the basis of gender dysphoria which is based on the core you being the opposite to your physical gender. What you describe sounds more like a split in your personality. I assume one of your ego states might be gender dysphoric but not the other. I'm not sure it reaches the diagnosis of gender dysphoria, it might and it might not. If this ego state is suffering from having the wrong body and it is a lot of the time, yea then I can see gender dysphoria as a diagnosis. (I hope I make sense)

That your ego states do not reach up to the diagnosis of DID is pretty much without say. DID cuts a lot deeper. To have DID you have to not always be aware of what you have done and been. In the classic case this happens when there is a switch between alters, one alter might not be aware or fully aware of what the other one did.

I too have a pretty fragmented personality even if it is a lot more messy than just having two ego states. It has never been picked up by any professionals and to be honest I have no idea what to call it. It doesn't seem to exist as a diagnosis.

I asked Dr Clyde but had very little response and my thread there seems purged. Still, I am very much chasing for answers for what this is. For me it would not be satisfying for me to be a wider sense of dissociation. Because I don't feel the basis of this is true dissociation. Not sure what you feel in this matter.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by XSleepingSiren21X

Yeah, I've dealt with a lot of emotional abuse and trauma from heartbreak and abandonment. Most of the reasons why I was diagnosed with borderline is why, but over the years I've grown up to live like I was more of a 'boy', which in cases with my parents they passed it as being a 'tomboy'. Over so much time I just made the 'boy' side of me as an imaginary male figure to fit out that side and behavior. To the point I started to show 'out of character' personality traits and behavior.

So then on I took it as I was two people as one and learned to cope with the other personality.

Just something that jumps out at me.....you said your other side is an imaginary friend... here in the USA the diagnostic criteria says DID type alters can not be imaginary friend type personalities even if they have taken on a life of their own that diagnostic criteria knocks out the diagnosis of DID.

my suggestion is contact your treatment providers, they can help you to understand what type of alter this other side is (there are many different mental disorders and types of alters) and they can do diagnostic evaluations that can help you to figure out whether this is DID or a different type of alter.

[XSleepingSiren21X]

Originally Posted by amandalouise

Just something that jumps out at me.....you said your other side is an imaginary friend... here in the USA the diagnostic criteria says DID type alters can not be imaginary friend type personalities even if they have taken on a life of their own that diagnostic criteria knocks out the diagnosis of DID.

my suggestion is contact your treatment providers, they can help you to understand what type of alter this other side is (there are many different mental disorders and types of alters) and they can do diagnostic evaluations that can help you to figure out whether this is DID or a different type of alter.

I've never talked to my psychiatrist because she was busy, but I did talk to another and she told me that, I'm just bi-gender and don't have DID, but I show slight characteristics of them, but not fully. I asked of it just being a split-personality, but it doesn't exist she said.
That's why I'm still a little confused, my alter does exist, he can talk the way he wants, and tells me things.

I think the whole idea there is anything wrong with me is bull. Ever since we went to the psychiatrist our mind as been wrapped around this false thinking and fear about our self existence. We haven't been one bit normal now, because of this whole mess, I knew we shouldn't of went to the mental health clinic. I knew it wasn't a good idea, but we went anyways. Now we haven't been able to do the things we used to anymore. Like daydream, play video games, talk to my friends I want to talk to.

[sherry]

Originally Posted by XSleepingSiren21X

Can you have a multiple personality, while having a GID?

I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder or other words, specifically Bi-gender. I also have borderline personality, if that helps, that's why I'm asking it here. In case anyone can relate or had had similar thoughts.

Well the reason I ask is because not only do I have a mental state of feeling like I mentally think and act like I'm more male, but I consider my male like qualities as another person, like a second persona.

Like most people with alters/multiple personality's, I give mine a name, characteristics, look, and even a personality(mostly considered my inner personality, but I don't consider it fully since it doesn't act at all or matches with my outer personality). I've been told by a psychiatrist that, that inner personality would and should be my 'real' personality, but I beg to differ immensely.

I put much thought into how I act so different to how my mind links up sometimes and how I perceive things, whether something triggers a certain thought or I act 'out of character' when I talk about something that I normal don't talk about.

I don't put much thought to it morally, I just go with it and I'm frankly just fine with it. I just don't know how or if it's ok to say or be seen as both gender dysphoria, or really just meaning I have multiple personalities.

When I think about it, I just take it as I'm just two different people, specifically genders, in one body, but when I think about my past and how I acted more like I was some 'tomboy' is what confuses me about the two. I don't know if there's a difference or if both disorders can work along side of it.

Hi, let me help. My partner/ husband has DID she knows she has a body of a female, yet sees herself as a male. She tells me she is a man that was born in a womans body. Hope this helps

[XSleepingSiren21X]

Originally Posted by sherry

Hi, let me help. My partner/ husband has DID she knows she has a body of a female, yet sees herself as a male. She tells me she is a man that was born in a womans body. Hope this helps

I know I was born with a female body, but some parts aren't so much feminine. I'm fine with that, but my alter knows that too and neither of us have problems with our sex. It's just one want to act more on his male behaviors/instincts/thoughts/characteristics. While the other rely's on their thoughts/actions/behavior/characteristics.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by XSleepingSiren21X

I've never talked to my psychiatrist because she was busy, but I did talk to another and she told me that, I'm just bi-gender and don't have DID, but I show slight characteristics of them, but not fully. I asked of it just being a split-personality, but it doesn't exist she said.
That's why I'm still a little confused, my alter does exist, he can talk the way he wants, and tells me things.

I think the whole idea there is anything wrong with me is bull. Ever since we went to the psychiatrist our mind as been wrapped around this false thinking and fear about our self existence. We haven't been one bit normal now, because of this whole mess, I knew we shouldn't of went to the mental health clinic. I knew it wasn't a good idea, but we went anyways. Now we haven't been able to do the things we used to anymore. Like daydream, play video games, talk to my friends I want to talk to.

Originally Posted by XSleepingSiren21X

I asked of it just being a split-personality, but it doesn't exist she said.

yes here in america that diagnostic label no longer exists (is not in the DSM 5 which is the diagnostic manual that tells all of the mental disorders recognized in america...

short version way back when the first DSM (diagnostic statistical manual) was published in 1952 there was a disorder called Hysterical Neurosis. then later by the time the DSM hit its 3rd edition this same mental disorder was called Split Personality Disorder. then with t he 4th edition of the DSM printing this same diagnostic label was changed to Multiple Personality Disorder.

Now America is using the DSM 5 diagnostic labels. where the diagnostic labels of...Hysterical Neurosis, Split Personality Disorder and Multiple Personality Disorder are no longer being used.

this same mental disorder is now called DID Dissociative Identity Disorder (Due to the fact that this disorder is a dissociative disorder not a personality disorder) here is where you can read what the DSM 5 says DID is.....

http://forums.psychcentral.com/disso...s-dsm-5-a.html

as you can see it is vastly different than GID (Gender Dysphoria) due to the fact that having imaginary friends rules this disorder out and it has nothing to do with feeling male in a female body or feeling female in a male body.

yes your alter exists. its just that your treatment provider believe your alter is one kind and the alters with DID are a different kind of alters. talk with your treatment providers they can explain the differences more in detail and help you to understand your problems better.

[XSleepingSiren21X]

Thanks, I've been trying to maybe set an appointment to talk to her about it, but either I forget or she's not available.