[Shaly78]

How do you continue to justify people believing we want everyone to be this way as well? Fractured and splintered off ? What would you make an illusion to teach it not to talk or train it not to do there job to me the theory is flawed it doesn't make sense?

Say for instance, if you are getting really go at dialogue listening especially for those experiencing the external world . Especially if you getting really good at remembering back what was said and also maintaining what is happening in the present say really good at because it is your reality your people, with two realities.....Now the third reality is the world we live in, how it is okay for people to get involving knowingly or unknowingly to be mind trainers of a reality of theirs we don't want...Say for instance, follow your first mind etc. I wouldn't want everyone to know my whereabouts, my internet whereabouts or my our decisions to another alters decision life ain't all a buffet...How can gangstalking be the answer!!.Don't you know when that happens there are instantly heightened ptsd.

I ordered a chicken sandwich....I was on the menu right before the phone call online....A few alters wanted different things this is ongoing and chronic this public beat down and humiliation....So I gets the girl on the phone I said I want a chicken sandwich on a bun with french fries. So goes over all I just previously decided before calling hamburger bun which was one of my alters choices, but later on thought we had a cheese burger the other day ... She just went on and on....If you been set up before you know how this works....So on my list of PTSD I can write how that started each every one of these exacerbating the training is not working....Emerging ones that are already there from the past and the news one forms

•Flashbacks -More alters out more images
•Nightmares -
•Body memories - I get advance and ask her are you suppose to be here since she wants to second guess my own mind..I'll throw it back on her and lie saying you told me yesterday you was suppose to be off work. Mindless talking.
•Frightening thoughts- will she spit in my food
•Feeling tense ---cause i wanna cuss them out
•Hyper-vigilance --about mind spying my stories all of my sexual stories they might know, the past
•Excessive anxiety or worry -- more anxiety about the past, you my credit card number anything my name on my credit card.
•Anger outbursts --makes me doubt there ability and cussing them out
•Startles easily/jumpiness --I'm startled easy if anything is repeated just said in our home on in our decision making process
•Over reacts to others emotions and outbursts --This is obvious overreacting
•Reacts to others' traumas (such as EMS, hospital or police department
•Memory problems---Go to pick up my phone and alter almost twice said hamburger revolving, now you cut off from an area so I'm forgetting to ask for ketchup and check the order cause you so afraid some else is going to start with the humiliation so random customer. It is ridiculous!
•Lack of concentration- hampers concentration over concern for them messing up orders
•Difficulty retaining information --see previous for my alter
•Feelings of fear or anxiety ---fear of the unknown its a helpless feeling
•Physical problems - body memories, obsequre switches
•Poor interactions with coworkers
•Unreasonable reactions to situations that trigger memories
•Absenteeism - Not going to the restaurant if safe people are actually nice in subsequent visits.
•Interruptions if employee is still in an abusive relationship, harassing phone calls, etc.
•Trouble staying awake
•Panic attacks--yea panic attacks cause I'm not remembering and how mental illness is still winning

If I keep this same restaurant they piling on the stress I can see how this splitting keeps happening!!

For me since therapy has started new alters created I don't know how it stopped for some and didn't for others. Someone school me on that


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[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Shaly78

How do you continue to justify people believing we want everyone to be this way as well? Fractured and splintered off ? What would you make an illusion to teach it not to talk or train it not to do there job to me the theory is flawed it doesn't make sense?

Say for instance, if you are getting really go at dialogue listening especially for those experiencing the external world . Especially if you getting really good at remembering back what was said and also maintaining what is happening in the present say really good at because it is your reality your people, with two realities.....Now the third reality is the world we live in, how it is okay for people to get involving knowingly or unknowingly to be mind trainers of a reality of theirs we don't want...Say for instance, follow your first mind etc. I wouldn't want everyone to know my whereabouts, my internet whereabouts or my our decisions to another alters decision life ain't all a buffet...How can gangstalking be the answer!!.Don't you know when that happens there are instantly heightened ptsd.

I ordered a chicken sandwich....I was on the menu right before the phone call online....A few alters wanted different things this is ongoing and chronic this public beat down and humiliation....So I gets the girl on the phone I said I want a chicken sandwich on a bun with french fries. So goes over all I just previously decided before calling hamburger bun which was one of my alters choices, but later on thought we had a cheese burger the other day ... She just went on and on....If you been set up before you know how this works....So on my list of PTSD I can write how that started each every one of these exacerbating the training is not working....Emerging ones that are already there from the past and the news one forms

•Flashbacks -More alters out more images
•Nightmares -
•Body memories - I get advance and ask her are you suppose to be here since she wants to second guess my own mind..I'll throw it back on her and lie saying you told me yesterday you was suppose to be off work. Mindless talking.
•Frightening thoughts- will she spit in my food
•Feeling tense ---cause i wanna cuss them out
•Hyper-vigilance --about mind spying my stories all of my sexual stories they might know, the past
•Excessive anxiety or worry -- more anxiety about the past, you my credit card number anything my name on my credit card.
•Anger outbursts --makes me doubt there ability and cussing them out
•Startles easily/jumpiness --I'm startled easy if anything is repeated just said in our home on in our decision making process
•Over reacts to others emotions and outbursts --This is obvious overreacting
•Reacts to others' traumas (such as EMS, hospital or police department
•Memory problems---Go to pick up my phone and alter almost twice said hamburger revolving, now you cut off from an area so I'm forgetting to ask for ketchup and check the order cause you so afraid some else is going to start with the humiliation so random customer. It is ridiculous!
•Lack of concentration- hampers concentration over concern for them messing up orders
•Difficulty retaining information --see previous for my alter
•Feelings of fear or anxiety ---fear of the unknown its a helpless feeling
•Physical problems - body memories, obsequre switches
•Poor interactions with coworkers
•Unreasonable reactions to situations that trigger memories
•Absenteeism - Not going to the restaurant if safe people are actually nice in subsequent visits.
•Interruptions if employee is still in an abusive relationship, harassing phone calls, etc.
•Trouble staying awake
•Panic attacks--yea panic attacks cause I'm not remembering and how mental illness is still winning

If I keep this same restaurant they piling on the stress I can see how this splitting keeps happening!!

For me since therapy has started new alters created I don't know how it stopped for some and didn't for others. Someone school me on that


PTSD and the Workplace What Employers and Coworkers Need to Know - PTSD Resources for Caregivers - Gift From Within

at first I wasnt sure what you were looking for, there is no training for punishment. treatment providers in the USA are trained to work with each client with what their own individual problems are, where they are at that moment helping them to find ways to solve their own problems through positive ways not negative\punishment ways. they are able to make suggestions on how you can feel better but its up to each person in therapy to decide for their self whether they want to follow what their treatment providers would like them to try.

my suggestion is if you feel your therapist is pushing you to do something you are against, then you can set up a session to discuss your feelings and work on developing a treatment plan that will better fit what you are looking to get out of attending therapy. you know things like setting your goals and working on your goals kind of thing

then I read your post.. in a nutshell am I right in guessing you want to know how to stop fast food places from reading back your order and convincing you to order other things and help you to not get confused by what the alters want and what you had the days, weeks before ordering...

what I have always done was write out my order before hand. then when ordering I make a point of saying yes I would like to order, whoops dropped my list, here we go I want.... then I read it off to them and when I get to the end of the list I read back to them my order rather than them reading it to me. when i get to the end of my list I say ok pen in hand how much is that going to be. and when they tell me how the cost I thank them and hang up if paying at the food place, or giving them my card information. then I hang up. that way there is no temptation to over order, get confused and what not.

when ordering what calmed my alters down was that I made sure to order common ground items. bottom line is my alters had their own sense of agency so there was no controlling them and what they wanted. when they were in control they did the ordering for their selves.

even now that my alters have all been integrated I still use this simply because it works so well for me. it puts them back in the service of receiving and full filling my fast food order and me not getting the hassles of them trying to talk me into more products Im not prepared to buy.

[Luce]

I'm sorry, Shaly, I can't quite follow your train of thought on this one.

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Shaly78

For me since therapy has started new alters created I don't know how it stopped for some and didn't for others. Someone school me on that

here in my location we have many different kinds of alters...

those that are there from a very young age due to extreme trauma (my locations mental health statistics show the age alters are created in young children is before the age of 5) these kinds of alters either stay stuck in the moment\ time bracket as the trauma or they have the ability to evolve. they are trigger related meaning anytime they or their body born (person they reside with in, biological body) dissociates they take control to handle what ever was the trigger that caused the dissociation. they affect every aspect of a persons life and have their own sense of agency.

then we have the kinds of alters known as introjects, medication induced, psychosis type and many others. these type of alters are not dependent upon abuse factors, they can be but its not necessary to be abused to have these types of alters, they happen with any mental and physical health problems not just dissociative disorders. this kind of alters can happen at any point and more can come into being\ be created at any point in a persons life not just during very early childhood.

example one time I was in a very challenging job and i had a boss that repeatedly put me down. this resulted in my unconscious mind to create an introject alter that I had never had, this introject alters sense of agency was to take on the characteristics of my emotionally abusive boss. this alter disappeared when I no longer believed whole heartedly that I deserved that emotional abuse. I no longer bought in to what that alter was saying to me. and countered that alters sense of agency with my more positive views of my body and self.

sometimes people have a way of knowing their alters are there and sometimes people find out slowly that their alters are there, sometimes alters dont always disclose they are there in a timely manner. some people do not realize their alters are taking control all their lives until the alter decides to share that information. so sometimes it seams like a persons brain is creating more and more alters when those alters were there all along they just did not let their presence be known...

gosh there are so many reasons why a person may have or may seem to have may seem to be creating more and more alters. the key to making it stop is to get to the root cause as to why a persons internal system needs to keep creating more and more alters. only that person that this is happening to can answer that question and how to stop their self from doing that.

my suggestion is to talk with your treatment providers, they will explain to you why you have a system where alters continue to be created, what types of alters they are and how to best stop your mind from doing this.

[Shaly78]

In a nutshell bring kids up, don't allow a read, write it down. The rest was for you Amanda.

How does medication induce introjects lol..? Anyway thanks for the effort

[Shaly78]

Luce, thank you for not following my train of thoughts or alters. It has helped me use common sense to know my treatment is totally different than most, quite proud of it also! I've healed better than most yes documented dx DID/PTSD, the negative well guess that is for the team since can't control it. I wouldn't accuse you any way if in a relationship just would make u treat me and say certain things so u don't appear psychic or noisy without me sharing in advance.

I would say insert name my dialouge just said that, why have u Luce externally answered, u can't hear my head only the mouth the (running dialouge) ...Luce, if u on the phone mouth hasnt opened before then. I wouldn't allow u to redo my thinking or things done in what u say....Luce, it's too predictable too noisy too overloading

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Shaly78

In a nutshell bring kids up, don't allow a read, write it down. The rest was for you Amanda.

How does medication induce introjects lol..? Anyway thanks for the effort

medications can have some strange side effects.

sometimes medications can cause hallucinations.

Sometimes when people hallucinate they have alters that are their hallucinations.

[Shaly78]

Thank Amanda, I don't allow ANY hallucinations Pdoc/Therapist to invalidate my people/parts. I understand that happens in the beginning to most system, but not me! At any rate Amanda, I know how damaging that can be so heal as best you can process that hurt , if indeed person to your system

[lucidity11]

You sound different in each post. Is that so?

[amandalouise]

Like Lucidity i have also noticed your posts have changed. example....when reading your past posts I see that your posts used to be well put together, coherent, easy to read and understand and now more and more your posts are getting harder to understand. wondering if you are going through some changes in your life that can contribute to ones reading and writing\ posting abilities.

reason i ask is because here in my location having the diagnosis DID doesn't change anything other than putting a name on what has always been happening. and when negative things do happen its usually something physical not DID related. ie home stress, life changes, change in medications, age related problems like Alzheimer (some locations use the term dementia), menopause... that kind of thing.

my suggestion would be maybe contact your primary care physician who can diagnose why things like before the last couple months you were able to write well thought out, organized coherent posts and now some have told you they are hard to reading what you have posted\following your words. The solution may be as simple as a change in diet or sleep.

[Shaly78]

Lucidity and Amanda,

After hard work, since March this year once I meet a key trauma alter and have gone into therapy that I'm paying out of pocket alters have started to integrate so I'm doing alot better with 'putting it all together'....Thanks Girls!

Towards the end Amanda of PC got negative...I have and Amanda alter I got from WOAR maybe you guys are bumping heads, I'll try to integrate her or trance her out.... No worries it makes hella sense cause you replied....Thanks for the compliments.

[Shaly78]

Moreso Amanda, don't try to understand everything categorize with a supportive hug or your not alone...I'm not your gossip channel only for people with the capacity, I wouldn't want to be charged with splitting you if your capable of taking on introjects like my system. If you shared that I wouldn't see it as an indictment only just more of supportive caring friend to my alter 'shaly' of your system..Thing is I wouldn't want to talk only with shaly because you might be like me since she might have to live for the others she is sharing with who she is co conscious with. ....I'd just be cordial if you shared that.