Is this what it's like to be 13 in todays society??

You and I share a view that this is very sad; we're not that far away in our thinking (and I quit smoking 58 hours ago so my thinking may not be very good right now). I agree that children shouldn't be subjected to having to witness sexual behavior at such young ages, but they do and what happened on the bus is such a small insignificant part of it. The internet, television in general not to mention MTV or VH1, advertisements, etc.

Young boys are not the brightest creatures on the planet but, having been one, I'm pretty sure that a girl letting them touch her breast doesn't translate to them thinking that it's now okay to touch a girls breast who doesn't let you. As a matter of fact, I'd be more concerned in todays day and age, that they would shun one who wouldn't.

Anyway, I admire and respect both your opinion and your desire to keep, not only your child, but other children safe and far from harm - I'm just not sure that this particular campaign is going to have the desired results.

This. Really, calling POLICE over a facebook account? Ain't there a real crime over there? Are you gonna screw life of some teenager? This could get her in far reaching trouble...

Maybe she is just troubled, like most of us are. How would you feel if somebody called police on you, just for doing something stupid and irresponsible?

And while 13 might seem to young for being sexualy involved... well, others nosing in, is not gonna help.

Let me make myself clear. The reason I suggested the police was not ONLY the Facebook account (and I understood it to be pictures in her underwear, not a bikini) but more importantly, the fact that her encouraging inappropriate sexual activity on the school bus might be a sign of sexual abuse at home. To protect her, not get her into trouble.

VenusHalley - please let me clarify that AkAngel wasn't suggesting calling the police - he actually thinks similar to you. BTW I wasn't going to call the police at all. I simply called the school to let them know boys are touching her breast on the school bus.

After reading her Facebook page I don't think this is a simple mistake. She calls herself a B**** and says she does what she pleases and doesn't care what anyone thinks. She's told the principle to F*** Off because they told her to get off the bus for pushing a student out of their seat. I don't want to call the police on her and I would look like an idiot if I did. Even the principle said he's not interesting in handing out punishment and will speak to them about appropriate behavior.

One of her pictures is underwear and the other was a bikini bathing suit - either way its a bikini. I think Lovebirdsflying made a valid point - if this young girl has inappropriate pictures and content on her Facebook and is acting like this at school, it may indicate a bad home situation.

The reason I wrote this thread is because I don't want this kind of behavior on my daughters school bus. I figured if the school knew she had inappropriate Facebook they could put 2 and 2 together and suspect her home life, which could be reason she's acting like this.

I can relate with this; as a kid, not a parent.
Yes this is common, here in America.
Stupid kids will date (amongst other things...) other stupid kids, and chances are they'll get knocked up and produce another stupid offspring.
It's a cycle.
And unfortunately as a kid there's not alot you can do to get away from all of it.
Kids in my class smoke pot.
Idiots.

You misunderstood me. Trust me on this; I would not call the police on anyone, for anything, under any circumstances.

This is off topic a bit but I'm appalled at the way some kids(not all) talk to each other. The mean girls are commenting on other girls bodies and cutting them down. One girl the other day asked my daughters friend "if that boy she likes, put his 'd***' in her yet." One time my daughter was walking with a boy and another boy came up and asked "hey is this your GF.....let me know when you get some *** ... maybe you can video tape it". I'm a grown woman and have never been spoken to like this. My daughter has also been challenged to 2 fights this year.

Even my 8 yr old has had a boy say "I would like to sleep with you.....I would like to have sex with you". I'm sure some can understand what it's like to be a mother and worry your kids are going to school in this kind of atmosphere.

Wow, lynn p., that seems like maybe your daughter (in no way to be offensive) should make sure that people don't mess with her. I hit someone for making fun of me once; no one would ever say something like that to me.
Something less drastic; of course, just helping her stand up for herself in the instance someone said or did something to her.
Kids are really ignorant and mean, so it might not be a bad idea. Like karate or something.

well... that sounds about right for bullying, even when I was a kid.

I remember my dad telling me last year about how PO'd he was when I was in kindergarten the other kids would call me a lesbian. And it really only got worse from there. By the time I was in middle school not only was I avoided like the plague but I'm guessing the two alpha *****es on the bus would throw their trash at me. I don't know how by some chance I made friends in that kind of environment... well, I had to move at the end of the year anyways to the much smaller and nicer school so it didn't matter as much. The best friends I made where in high school though... I'm sure if they were around when I was a kid they would have stuck up for me since at the time I wasn't really capable of doing so (because when I did try I always ended up beaten up anyways)

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Thanks Zoechan - I have 2 girls 8 and 12. With the comment to my 12 year old, she wacked the guy upside the head and told him to never talk to her again. Funny you mention Karate - she's a brown belt and does stick up for herself. Most people know not to mess with her. This is a new school this year, since the old school goes to grade 6 only, so some don't know how well she sticks up for herself. Unfortunately my 8 yr old doesn't want to take Karate classes but my oldest can teach her the basics. It's very scary at school now a days and I'm glad my oldest knows how to defend herself - especially since it seems to be trend with girl fights.

I think that is the MAIN reason this needs to be done. Someone this age, acting out in this kind of behaviour may not be a simple case of Bad parenting..... but unfortunatly a much WORSE case scenario.

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I agree - there's 2 concerns here. One is making sure this doesn't happen on the bus. I'm sure if we as adults ride the bus...we wouldn't want to see a man feeling up a woman - would we?? My daughter also said she brags about performing oral sex on boys. After looking her up on Facebook I can't help but feel there something very wrong. I would never allow my child to have a Facebook like hers - so are they clueless, support this behavior or simply don't care??

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What was I supposed to do? Nothing and hope it doesn't happen again. My concern is for the younger grades and fear maybe 2 boys will get into it next time or maybe others boys will challenge each other? You're not allowed to chew gum on the bus, but don't react to touching breasts?

Thanks... I just always typed in the "Post Quick Reply" section on the bottom

Maybe it's my more-conservative small town school, but people on my bus don't do those kinds of things. They talk about sex, of course, but it stops there. The middle school I went to for 8th grade was different, with a couple girls flirting with the boys and sitting on their laps in the back seats. I'm glad to be back at my old school because that sort of thing is NOT tolerated

Hey when I was 5 I had a 7 year old ask me for sex, it was my mothers friends son and whenever we stayed over he would lie in bed and ask me to have sex with him over and over and over until he fell asleep, and yes, I nearly caved in, to the point I had my clothes off. I still don't know what to make of it. A few years later my mother forced me to call his mother myself to tell her what he'd done, I was in tears about it because I didn't want to call (I was maybe 9 years old), thank God she didn't answer the phone.
So I think while something needs to be done about this you need to be careful how. Reporting her on Facebook I think is okay, you just go to her profile and report it from there and give an explanation.
I do also agree that perhaps something may have happened to her, but her behaviour isn't proof that something is, she could just be wanting the attention. I went to high school with a girl (who I am friends with now) who was extremely promiscuous, she had a reputation as a slut and quite frankly, it IS really difficult to argue otherwise.
But I try and have empathy about it instead of be nasty like other people. To me it is as though she needs the attention. Not to be nasty to her at all (and I do feel bad for saying it), but she is largely overweight and not the most attractive person. BUT, guys will her she is, because they know all they need to do is talk it up with her and make her feel good about herself, especially with the amount of crap she got at school, and possibly elsewhere.
I think she NEEDS that attention and is willing to have sex with just about anyone because it's the only time someone tells her how great and attractive she is. She's just lost all respect for herself.
She has even made me feel rather crap about myself, she always talks about people from school, she asks if I have seen there photos on Facebook, how AMAZING they look now, they are SO beautiful now, that I have to look at them. But then when it comes to me she just says 'oh you just look the same as you always have'. Even when I tried to make myself look nice before I see her- nothing. As if I haven't had enough image problems as it is. I have to listen to her talk about how attractive these people are, some being amazingly beautiful, and others being, well, I have no idea what she is talking about.

I have another friend who is a 'model' and posts pictures of herself in tiny outfits, even in a bikini while she was 7 months pregnant. And her outfits don't really suit her body type. But because she's got it all hanging out people tell her (the majority guys) that she is so good looking. Well I can't wear outfits like that, so again it makes me feel like crap. And some of the comments these guys make, it's just wrong. I've deleted some guys from my Facebook account (I haven't been on there in months though) because half their wall comments are about sex, one guy I used to go to school with as a kid kept posting really derogatory comments about women so that they looked cheap and only good for one thing.

So of course now I have started to obsess about my appearance again and can't stand to look in the mirror. I've even been thinking of surgery.
My point is, this is the pressure a lot of younger people go through these days. They need to be TOLD, and they start to crave it. I hate people commenting on my appearance, but the same time I don't need it to be pointed out to me that I'm not that attractive.
This girl may need that attention, she might be putting bikini pictures of herself up because she 'can'. She has the body for it, and there is so much competition to be more attractive and thin. Girls look at other girls. Girls compare themselves to other girls. Like I mentioned in an earlier post my friends used to sit there and compare ME to other thin girls they knew and work out who was thinner and therefore more attractive.

The only problem with reporting this girls photos is that they may actually delete her entire account.

im 15, i stayed away from those guys/girls. but yeah its all true. i knew girls who had stds by the 8th grade.

I love my niece dearly, but she is very promiscuous. All a boy has to do is tell her she’s pretty (she’s quite beautiful) and she’ll sleep with them. She discovered she had an STD at the ripe old age of 18. I’m a firm believer that adults can do what they wish with their body, male or female. If they decide they want to sleep with every Tom, **** and Harry that comes along, it is their own business. But it makes me so sad that someone that has so much going for them feels the need to engage in such destructive behavior.

I wish I could say I knew why she has such low self esteem. She’s extremely intelligent (4.0 through HS and college), very gifted athletically particularly in basketball and volleyball, she’s sweet, charming, funny and strikingly beautiful.

She was raised by her loving parents, in a beautiful home, with all of the benefits of upper middle class. So what went wrong? If there is a room full of nice, decent men, she’ll pick the loser every single time! The worse he treats her, the more she “loves” him.

I knew I was going to get nabbed for mentioning the drugs.
Off topic ....... sorry Lynn.
And Yoda I am a hypocrite , I was a big time pot smoker in the 70's also. I don't think it helped me in life. That's just my viewpoint on it now. Alcohol is a bigger problem , but I wouldn't smoke pot if I could do it all over again.

Getting back to the school bus situation, I wish there was an easy solution like having a volunteer parent as a bus monitor so that kids won't molest eachother. And so the kids that have good parents will know their kids are getting to school without being exposed to indecent behavior. I am so glad I am not a kid anymore. To much bullying, sex, drugs, abuse.

i know a girl who is 13 she told me that she lost respect for me when i was 14, because i was still a virgin. she said she wanted to have sex with me even though we were just friends. i asked why, she said why not. she said it didn't make sense to her to say no to sex...
this is crazy and i thought i would share this experience

This may be an excellent solution.

Yes the parent volunteer would be a great idea, but I don't think anyone would be willing, plus most of the parents are working. I agree Nucking Futz - I'm glad I'm not a kid in school these days. The only good thing is, school is more fun - no corporal punishment like when I was a kid.

Thanks for sharing that desperate&disturbed. When I was 16, I fell in love with a boy,
he wanted to go all the way--but I told him I was not ready yet...He broke up with me.

I suppose that's why I really have ne'er had a truly good relationship with a man---
I have always thought that all they wanted was one thing----sad----theo

i really respect that you said no, a lot of people i know have made decisions before they were ready and they were really upset about it. i am really glad i said no even though my friends think i was being stupid