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Old Mar 14, 2014, 06:41 AM
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Old Mar 14, 2014, 06:55 AM
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okay here my take. energy cannot be created or destroyed how did we get here?
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 04:54 AM
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I think we cannot say until it happens. It could be any of the stated theories or it could be unique with each death according to cause and means of ceremony held afterwards. We won't know until the time comes. For all we know, they could all be functional and a big computerized system is in the afterlife and we are being monitored. Near our end, somebody is doing the traffic control saying "We have a Hindu believer due at 1:38, and a Wiccan right after him. Then we have a couple of Atheists right after that. It's a slow day."
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 06:34 AM
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Nicks, you made me laugh, good one

I believe in God, so, I think he'll manage to figure it out when we get there. Had too many things that were more than coincidental to think there's not a loving God looking after us... and he'll even out the suffering to the good.
And I think death is sleep, until He decides to act and wake us up. There are many interpretations of God, so I won't argue with anyone's belief of who God is. Those who choose not to believe, totally okay with me and should be for everyone.
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 07:11 AM
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I'm not sure its even possible to truly die. Somewhere at some point an exact replica of you will exist again the future, it may not have your name or memories but it will for all intents and purposes be an exact copy of you, just as the you now are an exact copy of someone else that has previously been. before. With infinite time all possibilities will eventually happen no matter how unlikely.
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 10:32 AM
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I don't have any faith, which makes death all the scarier, so I think death is just a black, dreamless state which is horrifying to me because I love living and I don't want to die. I honestly wish I believed in heaven or even reincarnation. I wouldn't be so afraid of death if I knew what happened when we die.
here are my personal beliefs, which are a mix of all sorts of stuff..

As an aside, I'm scared to post this because I'm afraid of what people will think/say since it's outside the mainstream.

I'm a biologist by training. The universe does not waste things. Plus energy continues on in different forms. As someone else pointed out, our physical bodies are made of stardust to some extent. So, I beleive we continue on in some form after out physical bodies die.

OK, here is where we start to enter the area I'm afraid to talk about.

I believe there are other realities than the one we currently live in. I believe when we die in this reality, we can come to exist in another reality. I believe it is possible to cross from this reality to other realities. I also believe that we can return to this reality (be reincarnated.) I believe in reincarnation because I can "remember" events from previous lives. I have been able to verify some of those things by doing some research. I was able to verify some things I shouldn't have been able to know about unless I was there.

Having said all that, I'm also a skeptic. I could well be that this is all a fantasy I created in my mind in order to placate myself. Bottom line is that none of us has any proof of what happens after we die. We have to go on belief and faith. By "faith" I don't necessarily mean religious "faith". I'm talking about it in terms of something we just accept as the way things are.

Dr. Skipper, I hope you find some sort of belief that brings you peace.
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 11:56 AM
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What you're talking about sounds like a form of String Theory! Don't be afraid to talk about it (I know easier said than done), it's truly fascinating. And since none of us can physically prove what happens after death, no one is wrong in any way.

Me, personally, I don't believe much of anything happens besides the passing on of energy in the form of atoms, etc, into other living things (biologists too haha). I once believed in heaven and all of that, but after my own upbringing and what I've learned and taught myself, I really don't feel like there is anything waiting for me on the other side. And that's okay! When I say this to people, they give me the saddest looks or tell me to stop being so pessimistic, and it has nothing to do with pessimism. I am comfortable knowing, or well thinking, that there is nothing waiting for me after death. I am okay with that, I've experienced the death of my brother and that got me really thinking on it and what he said himself before death.

I used to be terrified of dying because I didn't know (and still don't know, really) what there is or isn't after death. I think accepting my own ideas and my own path on this subject has brought me more peace than anything or anyone else, which can be said for what anyone believes might happen/not happen after death.

You just find your own mind here and let it grow and resolve it's self and stay open for new explanations and acceptances.
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 04:58 PM
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Do you remember George Washington? Julius Caesar? Isaac Newton? Abraham Lincoln? No? You weren't there -- you won't be there after you die, either.
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I've just got something bugging me, I didn't mean to disrespect anyone's opinion, as I should have taken it more seriously I think. We all have different ideas, and iIF it wasn't meant to be funny, I'm sorry, I just found it was... but you never know anything really as true, sorry Nicks, I was tired and some things just make me laugh when I'm tired.
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 05:47 PM
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Greymatter, string theory!?!?!?! I'd heard of it, but didn't know what it was. Did a bit of poking around after reading your reply. Maybe I'm not as nuts as I thought I was!
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One time I was swimming in the ocean and an unexpectedly tall wave crept up on me. I was eight or so, so I probably misjudged the size, but it seemed to go a good six feet over my head. I remember being thrown around under the water but not being scared. I was being carried toward the shore, just I couldn't see it. And then it all went to white. I had the feeling of flying, very very slowly, to this golden cloud in the distance. I didn't get very close to it before I washed up on the shore and somebody got me awake. It was probably just some sort of dream, but it felt real. Like I said I was only eight.

I don't think anything happens after you die. It doesn't make sense to me. There is no consciousness after death, it's hard to fathom... but it makes life that much more meaningful. Live while you can, I guess.
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Old Mar 15, 2014, 06:12 PM
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And since none of us can physically prove what happens after death, no one is wrong in any way.
But then again.....since none of us can physically prove what happens after death.....everyone may be wrong in every way & we may be truly amazed at what the reality truly is.

Not going to get many Christians responding here because we can't state what we believe because it would be going against forum policy.....but I will say that I do believe that we are spiritual beings made in the image of God & that it's our spirit that continues to live on after death. What exactly happens & how......I think from what the Bible says is that there is a period of sleep & we are not aware of time so the length of time isn't in our consciousness......but I do believe in heaven & hell.

There are lots of things that have been proven over time & we have come to know truth that we hadn't known before as being real before & I believe that this same sort of awareness is going to be a part of everyone when it comes to the end.

We all think we know what's going to happen.....but the bottom line is what happens is what happens whether it's what we have chosen to believe as our reality or not. Some things we have no control over & what comes after death is one of them. There have been many times in my life where looking back, I realize that I made the wrong choices when I see what has really happened.....I think death will be sort of like that.
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Hi. I think about death a great deal because I suffer depression a lot and feel suicidal. I do tend to change my mind but on the whole I believe it's what ''Illegal Toilet'' said ~ ~ being dead is like before conception, well, that's how I feel tonight, it could change!! XXXXXXXX
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I'm sorry, but I'm not touching this topic with a ten-foot pole. I've seen enough to know my beliefs would only be mocked and ridiculed.
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I've just got something bugging me, I didn't mean to disrespect anyone's opinion, as I should have taken it more seriously I think. We all have different ideas, and iIF it wasn't meant to be funny, I'm sorry, I just found it was... but you never know anything really as true, sorry Nicks, I was tired and some things just make me laugh when I'm tired.
I'm glad I made you laugh. Better than offending anyone.

No need to apologize.
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Greymatter, string theory!?!?!?! I'd heard of it, but didn't know what it was. Did a bit of poking around after reading your reply. Maybe I'm not as nuts as I thought I was!
String Theory is highly discussed in physics! It's one of those mind melting kind of things to learn about, and the research going on is fascinating! It's really interesting to read up on.

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But then again.....since none of us can physically prove what happens after death.....everyone may be wrong in every way & we may be truly amazed at what the reality truly is.
Well, this is what I meant. None of us can prove anything or deny anything or prove anyone right or wrong. Therefore, no one is wrong in their thinking. It can go either way, and we can't shout "yes!" or "no!"
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Well, this is what I meant. None of us can prove anything or deny anything or prove anyone right or wrong. Therefore, no one is wrong in their thinking. It can go either way, and we can't shout "yes!" or "no!"
So if no one is wrong in their thinking then those people who thought the world was flat weren't wrong in their thinking?


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... I think you're misunderstanding me.

I am saying no one is wrong about their ideas on the afterlife. Which is true. Since... we are living and not dead we cannot share conclusions about the after life. People believing the world was flat is irrelevant as the world being flat was able to not only be seen, but studied, and further study proved that it isn't flat?

Sorry I really don't know what you're getting at with this?? I am literally saying religious people, non-religious people, people who are indifferent, people who believe in different forms of heaven, are not and cannot be wrong as we can not take apart the afterlife while living.

I said nothing about ideas on or "beliefs" with the living, concerning the living reality.
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Best case scenario I just stay the **** dead. Or get to dream. That'd be great too but that's wishful thinking. If reincarnation I'd just want to be an animal, not this ****ing human **** again.
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Some things cannot be "proven" absolutely, but are accepted as fact based on compelling evidence. For example, a couple meets as children, grow up as neighbors, go to school together, get married, raise a family, were happily married to each other until they died in their 90's. Did they love each other? The answer appears to be obvious, but the only proof you could offer is "evidence" based on observation. It's not very scientific, but we accept it as fact.

Likewise, there is a sh!!load of compelling evidence for the spiritual realm as well. We can recognize and accept it or not....it's our choice.
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It's nice to say there is nothingness

Its nice to say there is a heaven

But what is the truth? Fact is we don't know. We are made of the same matter as the stars. I think that is truly wonderful. When we die it is proven that we are 21 grams lighter. Is that our soul moving on to another existence? I would like to think so.

Fact is, I am hopeful there is another reality in the universe we travel to. But then again I am a dreamer. I remember being in a deep sleep when I was close to death, but I don't remember much else. No white light, no heaven waiting for me. So it may just in fact be nothingness. But as a dreamer and lover of the cosmos I would like to think our consciousness travels on to something more.
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I believe that there is more than one plane of existence. Our universe is vast and much of it is still unexplored and there is still so much to be explained.
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... I think you're misunderstanding me.

I am saying no one is wrong about their ideas on the afterlife. Which is true. Since... we are living and not dead we cannot share conclusions about the after life. People believing the world was flat is irrelevant as the world being flat was able to not only be seen, but studied, and further study proved that it isn't flat?

Sorry I really don't know what you're getting at with this?? I am literally saying religious people, non-religious people, people who are indifferent, people who believe in different forms of heaven, are not and cannot be wrong as we can not take apart the afterlife while living.

I said nothing about ideas on or "beliefs" with the living, concerning the living reality.
What I'm saying is that applying the term "no one is wrong about their ideas on afterlife" implies that everyone's thinking is right & that is just NOT possible. It's the terminology you are using that I have an issue with. Ideas are neither wrong nor right....they just are ideas & thoughts........

What I was saying with the earth being flat analogy is that at the time of death......everyone gets their proof of what the reality of what afterlife is truly is like......& may very well be proved to them that the thinking they held onto was just as wrong as those who thought the world was flat or as right as those who did think the world was round just as those with other types of thinking will have the proof as to just how close their thoughts were to what reality is. No, it doesn't provide proof for everyone as the farther studies & observations of the earth did to prove it round.....but each person gets their proof at their own individual time as to how close or far their ideas were to reality. There will be some ideas about afterlife that have been just as far off from reality as those ideas of the people who believed the world was flat.

I hope this makes it clearer what I was trying to express.
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And still, with lack of information as to what happens during the afterlife or time of death, we still can't say who is right or wrong.

We are literally using the same terminology in different means. You're saying that people can be wrong about the afterlife, and that is absolutely true. What I am saying is that no one can be proved wrong. Until, well, they die.

So in our conscious reality, despite how people see reality, etc, no one can be logically incorrect about a topic that has no information to further proof. Someone cannot prove to me that there is a heaven and I, in the same light, cannot prove that there isn't. So neither, in the living conscious state, are incorrect. Once someone dies, than they find out, or they don't. Which is not the living conscious state.

So right now, typing this, no, no one is wrong believing conclusions that come from their own individual state and sets of belief.
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I believe there are other realities than the one we currently live in. I believe when we die in this reality, we can come to exist in another reality. I believe it is possible to cross from this reality to other realities. I also believe that we can return to this reality (be reincarnated.) I believe in reincarnation because I can "remember" events from previous lives. I have been able to verify some of those things by doing some research. I was able to verify some things I shouldn't have been able to know about unless I was there.
Bravo!

I urge you and anyone else who is interested to check out the thread I have running in introductions, as I discuss a lot of this. My wife and I have a relationship that is beyond special, beyond coincidence, and beyond time. It's lengthy, but I hope you will find the posts to be worthwhile....and the photos in my post #5 as well. Here is the link:

http://forums.psychcentral.com/new-m...y-we-know.html

I believe that sometimes when we are reincarnated our bodies are much different than before, but I also believe that sometimes....perhaps when we are very comfortable with a particular body configuration....we come back again looking very similar to the way we did before.
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