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Old Mar 22, 2014, 05:06 PM
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I believe that we are all one with the cosmos and continue to be for infinity.

As the great Bill Hicks once said, 'It's just a ride"
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Old Mar 24, 2014, 07:44 PM
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I don't have any faith, which makes death all the scarier, so I think death is just a black, dreamless state which is horrifying to me because I love living and I don't want to die. I honestly wish I believed in heaven or even reincarnation. I wouldn't be so afraid of death if I knew what happened when we die.
My faith is actually very important to me, but I'm a scientist first and foremost. Something positive that you can hold onto is that energy is infinite. It never dissipates, it can only change forms. So basically, one way or another, in one form or another, you're going to live on. The bottom line is, no established faith has any clue what happens when you die. There's just what you believe, and what you don't. There's a very real possibility that no religion has it right really because there's just no way to know for sure. I definitely think it's important (MY personal opinion only) to believe in something though. From a scientific perspective and my faith aside, I would say that reincarnation is a likely scenario. The energy that is you HAS to go somewhere according to the laws of physics. So it's not much of a stretch to believe in something like that at all. Hope this helps.

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Old Mar 24, 2014, 08:20 PM
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My faith is actually very important to me, but I'm a scientist first and foremost. Something positive that you can hold onto is that energy is infinite. It never dissipates, it can only change forms. So basically, one way or another, in one form or another, you're going to live on. The bottom line is, no established faith has any clue what happens when you die. There's just what you believe, and what you don't. There's a very real possibility that no religion has it right really because there's just no way to know for sure. I definitely think it's important (MY personal opinion only) to believe in something though. From a scientific perspective and my faith aside, I would say that reincarnation is a likely scenario. The energy that is you HAS to go somewhere according to the laws of physics. So it's not much of a stretch to believe in something like that at all. Hope this helps.

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Sure would be amazing to come back as a puppy... so full of love for everyone, easily forgiving, running as fast as I can along the beach, splashing in the waves and fetching coconuts. Dogs love so much and that is what is in my heart, but MI prevents me from experiencing the true joy and magic that life really should be about. I know if there is reincarnation, I pray we have a choice as to what we are reborn as. The thought of being born human and stuck with a diseased mind terrifies me to no end. I'd rather just be in Gods loving hands and not be reborn again. I feel at this point, I can be a better angel than human...at least I would be free to truly be what my heart is and not complicated with my mind.
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Old Mar 24, 2014, 08:59 PM
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Its really weird because I believe in reincarnation because I believe that there are only a finite amount of personalities/people to formed. Esentially. So therefore, after a while the cycle has to start over again and the "same people" come back to Earth. So during each cycle some of us are here on Earth, while the others are in heaven resting and watching over the rest of us until the next cycle starts and we switch places.
Now I know this is kind of weird to say, especially considering that I am part of the Christian belief, but I am not sure if I believe in a hell per se. I think hell is specific Earth cycles (or moments in time's history since I also believe our universe is constantly regenerated) and therefore, those humans that sin badly enough to be automatically "sent to hell" dont get to "take a break" between cycles. You get sent right back to Earth with a more difficult life than the one you had before.
I do believe in purgatory (although the christian denomination I currently practice doesn't recognize it) and while you are in purgatory you must work the whole time until you can catch a break in heaven.

I hope this didnt turn too religious with my answer lol. Just what I think. And yes I believe we always get reincarnated into humans, not animals.

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Old Mar 24, 2014, 09:11 PM
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I know if there is reincarnation, I pray we have a choice as to what we are reborn as. The thought of being born human and stuck with a diseased mind terrifies me to no end.
An important thing to remember here is that God absolutely LOVES a unique mind. I've lived with mental disabilities most of my life, so believe me when I say that I empathize with you and in no way am I cheapening your experience. That being said, it is minds like yours that make this world a beautiful place. Nikola Tesla, John Nash, Beethoven....these are just a few names in a very extensive list of people who had recognized mental illnesses who were instrumental in making this world the wonder that it is. If you don't have people who can see and experience things beyond the norm, you never have progress. You might be closer to God than you think. Ever stop to think about what kind of mind it took to create the platypus? Just maybe God is a little crazy too.

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Old Mar 25, 2014, 01:13 AM
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Thank you, Ravynsvoid it did help me to think that God accepts me for me, no matter my illness.
I have certainly realized his amazing patience with me. I have felt like that one lamb out of 100 that went astray. God surely has demonstrated to me that he loved me and had patience enough in me to leave the other 99 unattended for a short while (not abandoning them, of course) but to take the time to lead me back to the flock
I know God sees the beauty that is in my heart, while nobody else does. That's all I need, especially when all I am being is judged and persecuted and labeled and whatnot without truly given the chance to express my own things within my heart and to be truly listened to and heard.
I've always loved Gods sense of humor, too....the platypus has always reminded me of this humor <3 what a precious creature it truly is
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Old Mar 25, 2014, 09:06 AM
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Reincarnation just doesn't make sense. Reincarnation is the belief that when you die your soul (which is metaphysical) will eventually find another living thing to inhabit, if you're a pantheist it can also inhabit nonliving things too I guess, but this requires the belief that all things living and nonliving possess souls. There are about 7 billion people that are alive today. So where did all these souls come from? The human race had to begin small, possibly with two people like Adam and Eve, but maybe more than that. But it surely didn't start out with 7 billion people! In order for reincarnation to even be plausible mathematically the number of people alive cannot be more than the number of souls.

If everyone is taking reincarnation to simply mean that our "energy" will survive after death, then fine, but realistically your "energy" will stay in that sealed concrete tomb six feet underground until it is all consumed by worms and other creepy crawlies. At best you'll become food for grass and other plants, at worst you'll become food for worms and ultimately feces. If you're cremated your energy will just stay in the urn that contains your ashes, or your ashes will be dissolved in the water where they are spread, or be absorbed in the earth if they are scattered on land. Any other thoughts are just wishful thinking in my opinion. Although, if you put your faith in science and technology, then maybe cryogenics has something for you, but I doubt that as well. By the time we figure out how to become necromancers the earth will be so overpopulated no one would want to resurrect anyone. The Earth's only so big after all....
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Old Mar 25, 2014, 09:37 AM
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Reincarnation just doesn't make sense. Reincarnation is the belief that when you die your soul (which is metaphysical) will eventually find another living thing to inhabit, if you're a pantheist it can also inhabit nonliving things too I guess, but this requires the belief that all things living and nonliving possess souls. There are about 7 billion people that are alive today. So where did all these souls come from? The human race had to begin small, possibly with two people like Adam and Eve, but maybe more than that. But it surely didn't start out with 7 billion people! In order for reincarnation to even be plausible mathematically the number of people alive cannot be more than the number of souls.

If everyone is taking reincarnation to simply mean that our "energy" will survive after death, then fine, but realistically your "energy" will stay in that sealed concrete tomb six feet underground until it is all consumed by worms and other creepy crawlies. At best you'll become food for grass and other plants, at worst you'll become food for worms and ultimately feces. If you're cremated your energy will just stay in the urn that contains your ashes, or your ashes will be dissolved in the water where they are spread, or be absorbed in the earth if they are scattered on land. Any other thoughts are just wishful thinking in my opinion. Although, if you put your faith in science and technology, then maybe cryogenics has something for you, but I doubt that as well. By the time we figure out how to become necromancers the earth will be so overpopulated no one would want to resurrect anyone. The Earth's only so big after all....
In the logical sense you are totally right. However, from my standpoint (which intertwines with a Christian view of it) God had us created before we were born. Where do you think those souls are kept while we wait to be born or even conceived? They are in heaven awaiting a vessel. So technically the fact that the souls are there, doesn't necessarily mean that all the humans whom body they will occupy are on Earth already. So you are only adding to the souls in God's pool of soul-creation when someone dies. Know what I mean?
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Old Mar 25, 2014, 09:57 AM
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Reincarnation just doesn't make sense. Reincarnation is the belief that when you die your soul (which is metaphysical) will eventually find another living thing to inhabit, if you're a pantheist it can also inhabit nonliving things too I guess, but this requires the belief that all things living and nonliving possess souls. There are about 7 billion people that are alive today. So where did all these souls come from? The human race had to begin small, possibly with two people like Adam and Eve, but maybe more than that. But it surely didn't start out with 7 billion people! In order for reincarnation to even be plausible mathematically the number of people alive cannot be more than the number of souls.
While I don't believe in reincarnation myself, I had asked that same question to someone who did believe in it. I didn't think they'd be able to answer and would just shrug their shoulders, but instead they said something that really surprised me.

What they said was that it was folly to assume all souls would start out as human. Instead, they suggested that all life (including microscopic) has a soul that would be reincarnated, and that eventually they would basically 'evolve' into a human soul. About the world population increasing, they suggested that with fewer areas available for animal and plantlife, more and more souls would be forced to evolve towards a human soul before they were ready to do so. As a result of not being ready for this stage, fewer humans would be moving on to the next one, leading to overpopulation and an increase in problems.

I still don't believe in reincarnation, but I thought it was a really interesting view.
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In the logical sense you are totally right. However, from my standpoint (which intertwines with a Christian view of it) God had us created before we were born. Where do you think those souls are kept while we wait to be born or even conceived? They are in heaven awaiting a vessel. So technically the fact that the souls are there, doesn't necessarily mean that all the humans whom body they will occupy are on Earth already. So you are only adding to the souls in God's pool of soul-creation when someone dies. Know what I mean?
I don't believe in souls, so.....yeah.
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While I don't believe in reincarnation myself, I had asked that same question to someone who did believe in it. I didn't think they'd be able to answer and would just shrug their shoulders, but instead they said something that really surprised me.

What they said was that it was folly to assume all souls would start out as human. Instead, they suggested that all life (including microscopic) has a soul that would be reincarnated, and that eventually they would basically 'evolve' into a human soul. About the world population increasing, they suggested that with fewer areas available for animal and plantlife, more and more souls would be forced to evolve towards a human soul before they were ready to do so. As a result of not being ready for this stage, fewer humans would be moving on to the next one, leading to overpopulation and an increase in problems.

I still don't believe in reincarnation, but I thought it was a really interesting view.
I think that still leads back to the same problem. Life itself on Earth also had to start small, with only a handful of living things to begin with at most.
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I don't believe in souls, so.....yeah.
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According to my religion, I should believe in an afterlife. I honestly don't know what I think though. A big part of me just kind of hopes there's nothing after death. Just rest. I have enough life in life without a life after life.
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When someone dies, their soul leaves the body to decay and either goes to Heaven, Hell, or gets stuck on Earth because they wish to stay or they can't move on. That's my belief (I believe in the paranormal world and follow religious ideas, too.). I think there's still time before a soul departs from its physical form, so I'd imagine that time-being to be pitch-black and... nothing.
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I really don't know, When I die I will come back and let you all know what happens.
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I don't have any faith, which makes death all the scarier, so I think death is just a black, dreamless state which is horrifying to me because I love living and I don't want to die. I honestly wish I believed in heaven or even reincarnation. I wouldn't be so afraid of death if I knew what happened when we die.
After death,nothing..There is only one life. Even though in this one short life many human beings idiots fight each other,being backstabbers and all that crap..
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I don't know the answer, but I do know my mom reported near the time of her death that there were a lot of people in the room we were alone in, and when I asked if she knew any of them, she said she knew all of them.

But the best part is, when she passed...her eyes were shining and bright with indescribable joy and she had a look of wonder on her face, like a child at Christmas.
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I'd love to be positive and all happy and all that crap but you get put in a coffin or casket whichever term you use and you get buried six foot under, and you slowly decay until maggots form on you and chew your flesh. Goodnight.
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There's got to be something besides this ****** life here. God I hope so
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I'd love to be positive and all happy and all that crap but you get put in a coffin or casket whichever term you use and you get buried six foot under, and you slowly decay until maggots form on you and chew your flesh. Goodnight.
Yes Dylan, that too. I helped put my mother in her coffin, I laid my dads ashes in there with her. Yep, definitely death. It was not positive or happy or crap.

We had an old fashioned Irish wake at the house, and we toasted and sang and told stories. And said goodbye. It's what you do. And it was not happy.
The bodies were buried, laid in their final resting place. It was at least 6 feet, actually I think more. I felt very sick looking down in that hole. It is very final.

I only know that both of my parents were not afraid, but were peaceful. It's not crap to have seen their peaceful or joyful exits. It happened. Not everyone is so lucky to go that way.
Yes, the body gives way to the earth, becomes one with it. That is another way to say decay. The body is ugly in death. In that Dylan, you are correct.
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