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Old Apr 13, 2014, 06:08 AM
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My mother was a grammar Nazi. She grew up in England and emigrated to Australia. She had married my father who grew up in Australia. Every word had to be spoken in the queen's english. Pronunciation had to be correct. If it wasn't the way she was used to, she corrected us. For example the soil in the garden was soil not dirt. She loathed Australian slang, again more corrections.

Does grammar matter to me yes. Am I uptight about it? No.

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Old Apr 13, 2014, 06:30 AM
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I totally agree! Large blocks of text just makes my head hurt, although I will make an attempt to read it. If I get about half way down, however, and I find myself reading the same line twice, that's it. I give up.

Pet peeve #394.... smiley faces (or frowns or any goofy icon) sprinkled liberally in a professional email. And while we're on the subject, unnecessary usage of CAPS, colors, especially yeallo,. which is not only impossible to see, but an instant migraine producer for me; creative fonts that are just ducky in a personal email but have no particular necessityin a business forum. Oh, and teeeny tiny type makes me want to go all windmill on a person!!!

On that note...may I add don't be a hater hehe
Lol. xD Yeah, I agree with all of that. This whole smiley-face-thing seems to be getting more common, over the years. I gather it's to show friendliness, because, ... y'know, they smile in shops and all that jazz, but something about it just seems 'off', to me, when it's online. I recently went on a chat support helpline (EA support, actually, for something on Origin!) and I got someone who kept giving me smiley faces, ... honestly? I was a little uncomfortable with it. Maybe we're just stuck in our formalities and pedantism. xD

The yellow text drives me nuts. Some people used to do that on PC, back when we had RealChat - I was always thankful for the option to disable all those horrid colors and make everyone's text black. *manic laugh*

I like some tiny fonts, where appropriate, but sometimes, I agree, it can be a little strenuous to read heaps of teeny-tiny text. xD

I'm OK with people using caps to emphasise a word or brief sentence, but when people type out entire messages in capital letters, it's just annoying; I think sometimes, they are people that aren't used to the world of Online, and don't realise they are SHOUTING IN YOUR BRAIN. My dad actually did the whole caps-typing thing, until my sister and I explained about the shouting thing.

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My mother was a grammar Nazi. She grew up in England and emigrated to Australia. She had married my father who grew up in Australia. Every word had to be spoken in the queen's english. Pronunciation had to be correct. If it wasn't the way she was used to, she corrected us. For example the soil in the garden was soil not dirt. She loathed Australian slang, again more corrections.

Does grammar matter to me yes. Am I uptight about it? No.
She sounds as bad as my mother; she was/is a lot like that, even though her English wasn't really all that fantastic. My mother was married to my dad, of whom is Scottish; she'd "correct" his Scottish accent and the idioms - the audacity of that woman! To be fair, I have fairly good spoken-English, so I guess I have her to thank for that. I must've sounded horrendously posh, when I was a kid. I know I've had comments before, "You sound so posh!" is one such comment. ¬_¬

I relax a lot more, nowadays, letting a hint of Scottish get through, and getting casual with some slang, but I still can't help but to use a decent word or two, and I do my level best to avoid things like double-negatives. Unfortunately, for some unknown reason, my written English is far better than my spoken English. I think I've just gathered bad habits, over the years, those of which haven't plagued my typing, for some reason.

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While I do struggle with certain words I often seek out articles on how to pronounce certain words, not that I can always remember when I need to! This leads to articles like this one below, I love wit and satire and have no problem laughing at myself as long as others are laughing with me not at me.

The idiot's guide to pronouncing "nuclear" and other difficult words (satire)
Lol. xD Awesome link; thanks for that! The bit about Jesus, was a brilliant ouchy moment! You also bring forward a good point: sometimes we just have to laugh at language, its idiosyncrasies, and all those idioms!

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I've not posted here because this subject is extremely sensitive for me. You see all my life I have been found wanting in this area. To me English is schizophrenic. How it is pronounced doesn't follow the spelling, spelling has so many exceptions I can not remember them all. Grammar, that too is full of bizarre rules. Being profoundly hearing impaired since age 3 and taught in a regular school with no accommodations except one on one speech and a number of teachers who believed I should be institutionalized has done a number on my self esteem...
Damn, that was deep! Thanks for sharing all that; it was a good read. You clearly have a unique insight into all this stuff. You'd probably make a great teacher, because of your perspective. Those teachers were seriously wrong in treating you like they did. :| Times have presumably changed, now; that's at least something.

Lip-reading must be incredibly hard, especially when some numpty like me, forgets that you need to read lips, and so then you can't understand anything. >.< I say "like me", because I've done that before - eye-contact isn't my forté.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 07:12 AM
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It may very well be important in a business setting but... I know some very successful people whose grammar is poor despite the fact that they have degrees from fine schools. What they possess (in addition to business skills) is the ability to communicate.

I could have some fun grading that sentence
I have a cousin who teaches English at a school for exceptional students. We come from a poor white trash background. She never corrects nor makes fun of the way our relatives back home speak. I respect and admire her for that.
I have an eighth grade education. I have friends with advanced degrees including a couple of PhD's. I also have friends who didn't finish high school and wouldn't know a comma from an apostrophe... but they are intelligent and interesting conversationalists. Like I said before, communication and content are much more important to me than correct grammar and clean syntax. If I can understand what someone is saying, and what they are saying is interesting, I don't care how they say it.
Sorry but life is just too short to sweat the small stuff.
That's what makes the internet interesting. Are we here, to write grammatically correct or are we here to be conversationalists?
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 07:50 AM
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Grammar is important and more so in some situations than others because proper communication is vital. Unless someone asks for assistance, then help them with what they are asking so that they can learn and get the correction(s) that they need. Especially with being an ESL and learning assistance teacher at one point, there is no way to know where someone is coming from in their background, capabilities, or desire to achieve in that moment. However now when I do see mistakes including my own, unless asked for help or in asking for help, it is not my place to do anything other than to live and let be. Then there is that mistakes also just happen, just forgive.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 11:02 AM
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From The Guardian: 8 pronunciation errors that made the English language what it is today

"Wasp used to be waps; bird used to be brid and horse used to be hros. Remember this when the next time you hear someone complaining about aks for ask or nucular for nuclear, or even perscription. It's called metathesis, and it's a very common, perfectly natural process."
And I've heard that "an apron" used to be "a napron."

What about misused phrases people think they're saying right, but don't make sense the way they come out?

One in the same
For all intensive purposes
It's a doggy-dog world
Blessing in the skies
Being tongue and cheek
Take for granite

And the one that makes the least sense to me: "I've done a complete 360 degree turn!" If you're ever using image manipulation software, select an object and turn it 360 degrees. Which way is it facing now? That's right--the same way. 360 degrees is a circle. If you want to say you've done a turnaround with your life, and you're now going the opposite direction, it's 180 degrees. Any farther, and you're starting to go back the way you came. But sometimes if you do try to tell these people they're saying it wrong, they'll insist they're not. That's the way their grandma said it, so it must be right.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 11:12 AM
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It's one thing to make grammatical mistakes here and there, but to make the same grammatical mistake hurts my eyes. For example, I read someone's online posts where they repeated the use of "your" instead of "you're" about five times. I am going to be honest: I think the person is dumb.

So, while this instance was not a professional setting, if you took the time to write something and have the chance to edit -- why not write properly?
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 11:16 AM
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"ol" is the actual building, only (whether the one in Washington, D.C. or a state capital), everything else is "al". That's why I don't like/use spell check; I assume over the years it will get better at such things, be able to infer stuff from surrounding text, etc. but sometimes my cell phone drives me batty with its recommendations when I'm texting; fortunately my new one doesn't just automatically insert whatever it feels like so I have to be vigilant; I can just ignore it instead. I do feel superior to all spell check programs and enjoy that I don't have to feel guilty for feeling that way
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 11:19 AM
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For example the soil in the garden was soil not dirt.
Ah, the distinctions; my stepmother did those too; only men "sweat", women "perspire"
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 12:07 PM
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Ah, the distinctions; my stepmother did those too; only men "sweat", women "perspire"
I was told by my mother: 'Horses sweat, men perspire...women glisten"

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Old Apr 13, 2014, 03:45 PM
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not really, but i do find it amusing when people get the simple stuff wrong!
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Oddly, especially after my last post, I was sort of expecting to come in here and be slapped on the wrist for being some kind of conceited know-it-all and acting like I'm smarter than other people. Thanks for not saying that, everybody. I don't even know why I thought was going to happen.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 04:41 PM
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From The Guardian: 8 pronunciation errors that made the English language what it is today

"Wasp used to be waps; bird used to be brid and horse used to be hros. Remember this when the next time you hear someone complaining about aks for ask or nucular for nuclear, or even perscription. It's called metathesis, and it's a very common, perfectly natural process."
And I liked the guy in the comment section who said "knife" should be pronounced ker-niffy.

Anybody ever seen the case made for spelling "fish" G H O T I?
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It's one thing to make grammatical mistakes here and there, but to make the same grammatical mistake hurts my eyes. For example, I read someone's online posts where they repeated the use of "your" instead of "you're" about five times. I am going to be honest: I think the person is dumb.

So, while this instance was not a professional setting, if you took the time to write something and have the chance to edit -- why not write properly?
My brother types "your", quite often, when being casual, but he is far from "dumb". I'm a strong believer that intelligence is not based on our spelling/grammar.
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Old May 10, 2014, 04:37 PM
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Good grammar is very important, although i am guilty of using slang alot. I think maybe it has to do with where you're raised.
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There seems to be an effort, intentional or not, to "dummy down" our society to the lowest common denominator. Schools don't teach, kids don't learn, parents don't care and the list goes on. As a result, we are restructuring our society, and filling it with people who can't read, write or do math. It all seems to come together at the fast food joints. Go inside a Mc D's some day (so you can watch the cashier closely). Maybe your order comes to $6.51. Give 'em a $10 bill and a penny....then watch the confusion.

We are doomed :-(
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Old May 10, 2014, 09:14 PM
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Yes it does matter to me.
That said, I am not hypervigilant over it.
To see "go their" does eeek like nails across a chalk board, for me.

I am a retired, I taught English overseas in universities.
Yes I appreciate seeing correct English.
Do I have an apoplectic fit at everything messy I see online? No.
I guess some things matter more than others.

With that I acknowledge that I myself have with years now of texting and typing online
given up on proper grammar, complete sentences, and omitting some punctuation.
Yet I spell correctly. Except where ipad auto- finish gets it wrong. That's right.
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There seems to be an effort, intentional or not, to "dummy down" our society to the lowest common denominator. Schools don't teach, kids don't learn, parents don't care and the list goes on. As a result, we are restructuring our society, and filling it with people who can't read, write or do math. It all seems to come together at the fast food joints. Go inside a Mc D's some day (so you can watch the cashier closely). Maybe your order comes to $6.51. Give 'em a $10 bill and a penny....then watch the confusion.

We are doomed :-(
I do that to try to accumulate laundry quarters, and they hand you back a bunch of stupid dimes. At least most registers do the math for them, or else we would still be standing there. They look at you like youre forcing them to do a magic trick.
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Old May 10, 2014, 10:24 PM
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My brother types "your", quite often, when being casual, but he is far from "dumb". I'm a strong believer that intelligence is not based on our spelling/grammar.
If I'm not mistaken, there are different types of intelligence. One can be not particularly gifted with language skills, but be a whiz at something else like maybe finding their way around a new place, or fixing an appliance. I once knew a man who was about on the level of Forrest Gump or the Waterboy with his intellect, but he could program a VCR faster than I could type those words--and I'm a typist.
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Old May 10, 2014, 10:36 PM
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Maybe your order comes to $6.51. Give 'em a $10 bill and a penny....then watch the confusion.

We are doomed :-(
I love this, money one!!! I step it up, i prefer silver coins,to Pennies, fives and tens to ones.
Cannot tell you how many times I've heard, but your Bill is (ex.) $6.51...give $12.01....a penny washes penny ...now we are talking a five and one(six) plus 50¢...to my ten and two ones. Now, one of those ones gives me 50¢...down to a ten and one minus six...hmmm..

And don't you miss the days of count backs?
Kids at my school, plus even hs, liked me on register, for that reason...



I just smile, at the yeah buts...then they realize after...'ayup...mmhmm..

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Old May 10, 2014, 11:11 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, there are different types of intelligence. One can be not particularly gifted with language skills, but be a whiz at something else like maybe finding their way around a new place, or fixing an appliance. I once knew a man who was about on the level of Forrest Gump or the Waterboy with his intellect, but he could program a VCR faster than I could type those words--and I'm a typist.
Yes, my son is a good example of different types of intelligence. He has a learning disability in written language (has good reading comprehension but has trouble writing). Yet he is gifted in math and spatial reasoning. He was in special ed. English and gifted math classes at the same time. It confused some of his teachers who didn't know how to teach him effectively.
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Old May 11, 2014, 12:57 PM
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I love this, money one!!! I step it up, i prefer silver coins,to Pennies, fives and tens to ones.
Cannot tell you how many times I've heard, but your Bill is (ex.) $6.51...give $12.01....a penny washes penny ...now we are talking a five and one(six) plus 50¢...to my ten and two ones. Now, one of those ones gives me 50¢...down to a ten and one minus six...hmmm..
I just smile, at the yeah buts...then they realize after...'ayup...mmhmm..
"Penny washes penny"! - exactly! Thats what all is running thru my mind! Ayup mmhmm! Thats exactly how they do!
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And I liked the guy in the comment section who said "knife" should be pronounced ker-niffy.

Anybody ever seen the case made for spelling "fish" G H O T I?

My classmate made a horrid mistake during his oral part of English graduation exam (English is not our native language). He went on long talk about "I want to buy a w.hore... but they are expensive, especially black ones". Committe ask if he really means what he is say and he confirmed, that yes. But in fact, he wanted a horse.
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