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Old Sep 23, 2017, 08:09 PM
Rayne Selene Rayne Selene is offline
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Good point, luna. That's why I don't believe in being mad at parents for everything that goes wrong in the lives of their children. If that were true, then everyone's problems could be traced back to Adam and Eve. (Wait a minute . . . isn't that what they told us in Sunday school? You know - original sin and all?)

Evolution used to mainly be about experimenting with different gene combinations. That's no longer true for humans. We no longer evolve to adapt to our environment. Instead, we control our environment and change it to suit how we are. Now, evolution is about experimenting with different ideas. Good people can have bad ideas . . . ideas that just don't work out. Adam Lanza's mother thought that immersing herself and her son in the gun culture would be a good outlet for the both of them. Going to the shooting range together has been a positive bonding experience for some parents and their children. It wasn't for the Lanza family of Newtown, CT. I suspect Adam's mother was a decent person who meant well. She knew her son was pretty disturbed. She cared deeply and worried greatly. (She told one sitter not to leave young Adam alone for even the time it takes to use the bathroom.) Maybe, in a world without violent video games, Adam might not have felt inspired to shoot up the local grammar school. Parents aren't the only source of the ideas that kids pick up. Kids pick up ideas, and their brains generate some ideas spontaneously. A brain left to itself can generate lots of bad ideas, which is why minds need to be fed a consistent diet of good ideas, especially when they are young and developing. Giving kids hugs isn't enough.

Most adults don't relish being alone without someone to love and be loved by. This mother was a woman who had not found her soul mate. That's a lonely way to live. So she brings a couple of kids into that scenario. She may naively have believed that her life would then feel less lonely. I don't know anyone raising a kid who thinks doing it alone is the way to go. Hardest job in the world and good to have a partner in doing it. I have no reason to doubt that impression that this woman is a good person. But I think she's got an approach to life that isn't working for her.
This is really, really becoming unproductive and irrelevant to the original discussion. I came here for perspective on whether this behavior is normal, whether there's something I can do to help, and whether it's time to leave. I also needed to discuss my own emotions and mental health regarding the situation. I think all of these points have been addressed and I've seen some really great advice. But again--again!!--this IS NOT ABOUT THEIR MOTHER. I'm really disappointed in the turn this conversation has taken, and I would really appreciate it if future comments and posts could stay on track.
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Old Sep 23, 2017, 09:04 PM
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This is really, really becoming unproductive and irrelevant to the original discussion. I came here for perspective on whether this behavior is normal, whether there's something I can do to help, and whether it's time to leave. I also needed to discuss my own emotions and mental health regarding the situation. I think all of these points have been addressed and I've seen some really great advice. But again--again!!--this IS NOT ABOUT THEIR MOTHER. I'm really disappointed in the turn this conversation has taken, and I would really appreciate it if future comments and posts could stay on track.
I hope my last comment wasn't upsetting... I think the best thing for both boys would be to get into therapy or treatment of some sort. Even tho Toby is the one showing problems, I think his brother needs some support as well. I worry that he seemed to just sit and let his brother attack him in the car, and that may mean that he believes Toby's behavior is normal and just how brothers are. They are both still so young, and getting therapy for them both could really help and prevent any problems from getting worse or new ones showing up later on.

I still think, tho, that your safety and emotional well being is most important. I know you care about both boys, and their mother, so much. I don't think you would even be asking this question if you didn't. But no one deserves to go to work every day with the fear of getting hurt...

I wonder, have you ever done DBT? One of the things they teach is a pros and cons list, but it's a little different than normal. Basically, they make a square, and then split it into 4 squares. So, two columns and two rows. On the columns would be "stay" and "quit" for this. One the rows are "pros" and "cons." Then you fill in each square with the combination of the two, so the pros of staying and the pros of quitting, and then the cons for each. (Sorry if the explanation is too much, I have a habit of explaining things to death.) It helps to get an idea of all sides, and for me, it also helps to look at which square has more items but also some things may be more important to me than others.

It seems like this is a hard decision for you. Is there anything you can do, for you? Go to a movie, take a bath and just soak and relax, sit and read at a coffee shop? Maybe taking some time to care for yourself may help clear you mind and help with looking at what you feel is right, for you, in this situation.
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Old Sep 23, 2017, 10:07 PM
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I hope my last comment wasn't upsetting... I think the best thing for both boys would be to get into therapy or treatment of some sort. Even tho Toby is the one showing problems, I think his brother needs some support as well. I worry that he seemed to just sit and let his brother attack him in the car, and that may mean that he believes Toby's behavior is normal and just how brothers are. They are both still so young, and getting therapy for them both could really help and prevent any problems from getting worse or new ones showing up later on.

I still think, tho, that your safety and emotional well being is most important. I know you care about both boys, and their mother, so much. I don't think you would even be asking this question if you didn't. But no one deserves to go to work every day with the fear of getting hurt...

I wonder, have you ever done DBT? One of the things they teach is a pros and cons list, but it's a little different than normal. Basically, they make a square, and then split it into 4 squares. So, two columns and two rows. On the columns would be "stay" and "quit" for this. One the rows are "pros" and "cons." Then you fill in each square with the combination of the two, so the pros of staying and the pros of quitting, and then the cons for each. (Sorry if the explanation is too much, I have a habit of explaining things to death.) It helps to get an idea of all sides, and for me, it also helps to look at which square has more items but also some things may be more important to me than others.

It seems like this is a hard decision for you. Is there anything you can do, for you? Go to a movie, take a bath and just soak and relax, sit and read at a coffee shop? Maybe taking some time to care for yourself may help clear you mind and help with looking at what you feel is right, for you, in this situation.
Not at all, you've been great.

Some updates: their mother is getting Toby into behavioral therapy. It takes time, but she has immediately moved to take that action. I agree, it might be good for his brother to get in as well (though he most definitely didn't just sit there. He kicked and clawed and screamed, but he was held stationary by his seatbelt before I could pull Toby off. It all happened very fast.) Unfortunately, I don't know whether it's my place to advise that, and ultimately everything will be up to their mom moving forward.

I've definitely made my decision, and I've applied for several jobs. I will give notice when I have solid prospects (a girl's gotta eat..). Meanwhile, I don't plan to just walk out. I want to give her notice and time to find a replacement. I told her very clearly, though, that I will not tolerate the hitting and biting in the future, and will immediately call her or the boys' grandmother to come and help if the situation escalates again.

At this point, I just feel sad and guilty and terrible. I am the type who always has to help, and feel awful when I can't. I've grown very attached to this family, and I will miss the boys very, very much. This isn't a normal job, and the separation is going to be really hard. Toby's twin, who is very bright and very sensitive, reads situations very quickly and accurately...I haven't said anything yet to them about leaving, but yesterday, he suddenly pulled me into a fierce hug and whispered, "Please don't leave me a'cuz of Toby. I love you too much." I nearly broke down. I know what I need to do and why I need to do it, but it hurts a lot. Families always say they'll stay in touch, but they never do. Goodbye will probably be forever.
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Old Sep 23, 2017, 10:54 PM
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I'm glad his brother tried to fight back. I can just imagine how difficult that hug from him was... I would have started crying right there... He's gonna miss you and you are gonna miss all of them. Please, be gentle with yourself thru all of this.
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Old Sep 24, 2017, 04:57 PM
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, but this is way out of my depth. I'm worried about my ability to handle it as well; I was SO angry with him after yesterday, I worry that in the future, I won't be able to remain calm, and might end up spanking/slapping out of anger, which I have never done to any child. That anger scares me. You're all right, time to move on
Do not continue with this job and find a more suitable career. You have a degree and have choices and there is no need for you to stay in a job that makes you feel like this.
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Old Nov 23, 2017, 01:37 AM
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What a disgusting little psychopath. Why are you still nannying him? I have a niece who behaves similarly. I no longer deal with her. The simple fact is she's a brat who needs her mom to kick her butt. If her mom refuses to get her life and the life of her insane child together, no one else can.
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Old Dec 28, 2017, 11:59 PM
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I resisted the urge to comment because this thread is so old, but some of the replies hit me close to home so I felt I needed to speak up.
Here is a list of just a few people who came from traditional, 2 parent homes and didn't turn out so great:

Jeffrey Dahmer
John Wayne Gacy
Eric Harris
Diane Downs
Gary Lee Sampson
Richard Ramirez

When the father is there it's always "it had to be something else" but when a child is raised by a single parent that's the first thing people want to blame. The only reason nuclear families were so common in the 1950s was because they were necessary for the survival and welfare of women, who were not able to care for themselves due to systematic oppression. But somehow America has built its entire identity around that and the collapse of the "traditional family" is the only thing they want to blame for the world's problems. Believe it or not, kids (and people in general) DID commit crimes back then. You just didn't hear about it as much partially because of the lack of media (no internet and news broadcast was limited) and partially because many of the victims were POC (as a matter of fact society took all of their psychopathic tendencies out on POC). To prove my point, you wouldn't even know the little boy OP is talking about existed if it weren't for the internet.

I for one am happy that this generation is being taught to marry for love (and whoever you love) if and when you choose to, not because it's necessary for your survival or in order to become a parent. Children need to be loved, cared for, protected and educated. It doesn't matter if it's a single parent, 2 heterosexual parents, 2 homosexual parents, the grandparents, or an adoptive parent. When I was pregnant with my daughter (who I lost to stillbirth) I was going to be a single mother. I was also very poor(living on $200 a month after rent) I managed to buy her everything she needed. A few months after I lost her, my friend (who is married and makes more than I ever did) was about to go into labor. They had no car seat, no clothes, no bottles. I had to donate my daughter'sthings to them. Who do you think was the better parent then?

IMO, blaming a family structure is just as bad as racial, gender, or religious stereotyping.

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