[leomama]

Good morning (or afternoon or evening) everyone,
Yesterday I read this brilliant quote by Sam Vankin, don't know if you have heard of him or what you think, that NPD was an extreme form of PTSD.
That was the most sane description of NPD I have heard of yet.
20 hidden traits of a narcissistic parent - OK Freud

Sam Vaknin, self-proclaimed narcissist and author of the book, ‘Malignant self-love‘, describes the narcissist as a traumatized person who suffers from abandonment issues, anxiety and post traumatic stress disorder. He even goes as far as to suggest that the narcissism is a severe reaction to trauma, a form of PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) that mutated into a personality disorder.

I'm subscribed to Sam Vankin's youtube channel and intend to start watching more of his videos, I've seen a few.
Does anyone else resonate with the idea that NPD is an extreme form of PTSD?

[hazn]

I do not believe all narcissists have PTSD.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Trauma was part of the problem for me, though not all of it by a long shot. I have more than "just" NPD going on. As I go deeper into all of it I've been learning that my narcissism is the tip of the iceberg. My personality is as complicated as it is dark.

[leomama]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

Trauma was part of the problem for me, though not all of it by a long shot. I have more than "just" NPD going on. As I go deeper into all of it I've been learning that my narcissism is the tip of the iceberg. My personality is as complicated as it is dark.

I think you and I have a lot in common, and I love your user name. My learning disorder, personality disorder and mood disorder were/are all not otherwise specified.

I have learned that Sam Vankin is a controversial figure in other communities and I am certainly not trying to cause controversy here so I apologize if I upset anybody.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by leomama

I think you and I have a lot in common, and I love your user name. My learning disorder, personality disorder and mood disorder were/are all not otherwise specified.


I have learned that Sam Vankin is a controversial figure in other communities and I am certainly not trying to cause controversy here so I apologize if I upset anybody.

I think you may be correct in your assessment. Thanks about the username, haha.

NPD was just the label that fit my outward behavior the best. But my inner motivations and so on are pretty different than a more "traditional" narcissist. I've also long had more self awareness than other narcissists, and the reasons for that are again on the dark side.

Sam Vankin used to really piss me off. He doesn't anymore, I think every once in awhile he can be quite astute.

[leomama]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

I think you may be correct in your assessment. Thanks about the username, haha.

NPD was just the label that fit my outward behavior the best. But my inner motivations and so on are pretty different than a more "traditional" narcissist. I've also long had more self awareness than other narcissists, and the reasons for that are again on the dark side.

Sam Vankin used to really piss me off. He doesn't anymore, I think every once in awhile he can be quite astute.

I got the label of PD NOS because not only did I tend towards narcissism, I had other things going on as well.

I know that Sam Vankin pisses others off as well. I got the original article from a post on another page. I am not going to read anymore of him since he is so controversial and I have so little time.

Since the book psychopath free covers narcissists as well as sociopaths , I may post my question on this forum to keep things simple. It has to do with a red flag in my mother and how it affected me.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by leomama

I got the label of PD NOS because not only did I tend towards narcissism, I had other things going on as well.


I know that Sam Vankin pisses others off as well. I got the original article from a post on another page. I am not going to read anymore of him since he is so controversial and I have so little time.


Since the book psychopath free covers narcissists as well as sociopaths , I may post my question on this forum to keep things simple. It has to do with a red flag in my mother and how it affected me.

Yes, I have a few things going on that never got diagnosed or if they were they were never discussed with me.

Narcissism and psychopathy do overlap in some key spots.

[leomama]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

Yes, I have a few things going on that never got diagnosed or if they were they were never discussed with me.

Narcissism and psychopathy do overlap in some key spots.

Then I will continue to read this book and take notes on it as I am doing. Thanks.

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[hazn]

I've read Psychopath Free, and although I found it to be very validating, I don't believe it contains much academic writing. It's just not that kind of book. I might be mistaken, but I don't believe Jackson MacKenzie has any credentials either.

Old Sammy boy is greater only because he has capitalized on NPD. He makes money while seeing his name mentioned all the time. This is every NARCs dream!!! My hat goes off to him. Only because I respect his game, not his knowledge...

[leomama]

Originally Posted by Underground

Old Sammy boy is greater only because he has capitalized on NPD. He makes money while seeing his name mentioned all the time. This is every NARCs dream!!! My hat goes off to him. Only because I respect his game, not his knowledge...

Yes I understand now he's not a good source and I apologize .

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