[(JD)]

That isn't what I was referring to at all. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was thinking about some of the suggestions made, about getting more members to help help other members, and such. Of course that might have nothing to do with what this is, I was just connecting it in my own mind. That was for an ideal site, and not for this one... but still....

there hasn't been any definitive information on that forum yet, ok? It isn't a social forum where we are chatting without everyone. It isn't anything, yet. imo. TC and don't worry!

[SeptemberMorn]

I reread it and it still means the same to me. By "supporters of PC" I took it to mean supporters of the SYSTEM and how PC works. My thoughts are that everyone else that is feeling excluded or hurt is taking it personally as in how supportive you are of other members.

I think I've said way more than I should have in past posts. Those in the group don't know that much more than those that aren't. I've been taking liberties that I shouldn't have taken and interpreted Doc John's words. I'm not doing it anymore!

I'm sorry that so many feel so badly. I wish there was something I could do or say to make it stop, but there's not. It's not my place and I don't even know where this is going.

It's NOT an "elite" group!!

i don't feel excluded from this site. i feel very included right now.

i appreciate your words, sky....i wouldn't join if i were asked.

once again, my main concern is for those who feel left out and are really hurting now.

i am less concerned over what is going to go on behind those closed doors as i am about what is going on out here. somehow we keep being told to "wait on Doc".....i am really puzzled about the word "wait". before this invite went out to the "supporters", could the powers that be not have waited until they had all of the wrinkles out and waited until they actually thought through the impact that this would have upon the posters? didn't someone say, "wait, we need to think about those who might feel hurt?"

i remember a bit about bible school..from my younger days. i am paraphrasing... For the word is powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword.

please, please, don't tell me to wait.i'll wait, but quit telling me to do it. i'm not being disrespectful, in my mind, i'm just coming from my gut.

i started this thread because i believe in "all for one, one for all".......i've really tried hard to be a "one for all" "supporter" here. and i can name a ton of people who also did that.

p.s. my headache went away after i ate.

[radio_flyer]

k ........ is all I can think of right now... guess I am getting tired.... Off to the sofa to watch tv.....

[(JD)]

While I agree with the analogy (words are powerful)Fayerody, that quote is "For the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

In that same book (Hebrews) it also talks about obeying those who have the rule over you. While no one really controls us here (they try ) when we joined we agreed and gave DocJohn some "rule" over what goes on here. I hope everyone can breathe, and be able to see good that might come from this?

i feel some defensiveness coming from some people. it's okay to feel defensive but it isn't okay to take something personal that hurt you and others? i'm just trying to keep it honest, as Anderson Cooper says.

one last time.....i don't care what goes on in the group. i care about what goes on out here......in the open. let's keep that straight, okay?

now i know how Caesar Chavez may have felt.

[(JD)]

We are all feeling here... all members. I can only imagine what admin feels, for they only tried to do a good thing.

[mlyn]

Nothing is for free.

[eskielover]

In reading this post, it has reminded me of a TV show I saw.....There were several people working in a department. The leader of the department was a smoker & so was another person. Another person wanted to be an active part of the department, but she didn't smoke & was allergic to smoke. She realized that several decisions that effected the whole department were made by the 2 people that were the smokers on their smoke break. The other person that wanted to be a part of the decision making process decided that even though she didn't smoke & was allergic to smoke that she needed to smoke just to be a decision making part of the department. She joined in on the smoking & ended up very ill, just trying hard to be in on what was going on with the smokers.

No matter how I look at this from what has been written so far, I will never be a part of the monitary contribution part being that I can barely get by from 1 months disability check to another since my Med costs are higher than my income.....nothing can change that.

As far as contributing in writing, if that is the determining issue, I will never become a part of that either. After the writing experience I had when I was an aerospace engineer, I feel horrible about my writing. I was REQUIRED by my department to write a proposal for a subject that was to be presented at a national symposium. I took all the books I could & put together all the buzz words & what do you know they accepted my proposal to be presented nationally......I only knew the buzz words & sounded like I knew what I was talking about, but in reality, I didn't know one thing about the subject except how to BS my way with my writing. Yes, I was good at putting words together, but knowing about what I was writing about was another thing completely. From then on, I refuse to write about anything that I don't really know about......even for any amount of recognition.

Guess in this case, 2 strikes & I'm out of this new forum also. But that is the way my life has gone mostly anyway.....I too am like that 3rd person in the department, only I don't choose to do something I don't feel comfortable doing......thus leaving me out of many things that I either can't do or feel uncomfortable doing.

So goes life,
Debbie

[LMo]

that is rather hurtful, Debbie. I'm sorry that you see it that way.

[(JD)]

And I have to believe that the members who wish to contribute to PC will be given additional opportunities to do so... that this was just the beginning of a selection process... I think that is what has been said: nothings complete on this,and others will be included. I didn't have any voice in the matter, and I am also sorry (like Septembermorn expressed) that anyone feels bad over this. I was feeling indifferent, than poorly about the group, then once "in" the new forum, I felt bad for being there until I realized it's still in the process of being developed. I really didn't need to feel bad at any time (I just did.)

I have to trust that if we can keep our feelings in check, our paranoia, our curiosity...that it will all work out good in the end! I have to believe that.

P.S. This site continues to grow by leaps and bounds, and more than a few of us have commented on that, and how the site is changing "with" all the new members... maybe this is something that will help keep that closeness of PC that we all like? IDK just thinking.

sky, please tell us where you've seen paranoia?

in what post?

paranoia is a huge part of some poster's illness. i'm surprised that you used the word. but i do want to know where you saw it in this thread......

[LMo]

I'm feeling as though the reactions are in effect more divisive than the new forum...

[kimmydawn]

I think so much has been said, feelings stated, concerns shared, etc., and it's now time to close this and see what the new day, and new criteria for this forums brings us.

Peace and love to all.

KD

[DocJohn]

Two new additional criteria have been added:

- Contributors to the first poetry book project
- Any member who's reached "Grand Magnate" status (3,000+ posts)

Thanks again for all of your support, it is much appreciated!

DocJohn