The Dogs Next Door..........

Geez Pat, can they take the kid as well? You have managed to develop a perspective on this which is admirable. You do what you can and leave the rest to the authorities, your great spirit, whomever. Holding onto that help-less-nesss and horror will only poison you. Show me the way>>> I would have broken in and dealt with it myself by now. Good luck. It will soon be over.

well......it's worse. the good thing is that all of the dogs were taken to the vet and the owners are on "probation" and the judge is still considering seizing the dogs.

the awful news is that the teen came over and she has started cutting. i am overwhelmed right now. she just cried and cried and i cried and she showed me her arms. and two years ago she was touched by a man and her dad says it was her fault. she was 11 years old then.......

my plate is running over and i'm about to lose it........

there is no medal for saving the world (the nobel prize is nice but it ain't everything! ) and sometimes when life keeps pouring into our cups that runneth over we need to pull the cup away from the pour.......

that's not easy and of course there are priorities....everyone has different ones so it isn't for us to say what to do or which to do when.....but you can't do it all try as you might....

and Pat , you sure do mighty things for many

be good to you as you continue saving the world one person, one animal, one moment at a time.

breathe darlin'....breathe.....

thank you, zen. i know i can't do it all and i know that i'm stretched to my limit right now. i needed to hear from someone. thank you, xoxoxo pat

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I'm a dog lover for sure, but pit bulls have been inbred for generations and mistreated to promote the fighting and killer instinct like no other contemporary breed.
I would not trust them, no matter how special or gentle one or two of them may appear.
They are not like other breeds.

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Do you know how MANY breeds are inbred to keep them pure? It is NOT just pitties...

I love them sooooo much. My sister has always had them or them crossed with other breeds.

Her baby got put down by the dog ranger after he 'apparently' tried to snap at a 12 year old. Who incidentally was on his bicycle and trying to run over the dog's TAIL. I would have shot the child, not the dog. I am not joking. A 12 year old is old enough to know better.

Part of the problem is people just not controlling their children around animals. You do not walk up to a dog and stare it in the eyes. You do not approach a strange dog from the front and try and pat it. You do not pull it's tail, legs, or ears. You do not throw things at it or attempt to run it over on your trike, bike, or other apparatus.

I see it as being parents' responsibility to control their kids around animals and teach them gentle behaviour and ways to make the animal trust and like them.

You wouldn't leave your child by a swimming pool with no supervision, would you? It is exactly the same with dogs. They are not people, they cannot come and tell you a child has been poking them with a stick and please can you make them stop.

My view is consistent with MANY people's views that I have already read - it is owner behaviour and temperament that shapes the dog's behaviour and temperament.

When you read about dog attacks, you read often read 'statistics'. You get the story from the 'poor victim' perspective.

I like this excerpt from a university paper on the subject. Essentially, it says dogs that inflict seious damage on people do so more because of their size and strength - not because of inherent aggression.

Funnily enough, labradors are often viewed as 'passive-natured' doggies, but in reality, they can bite too.

Also need to remember that the type of person who owns something like a pitty is often someone who perceives the dog as a 'tough' accessory, and they might not be the nicest to it either ... so if it gets kicked or made to fight (and the way they are trained etc is HORRIFIC) it is going to develop aggressive tendencies to protect itself.

It is sometimes said that pitbulls are the MOST LOYAL DOG you can get. They also have that ugly cuteness - esp the little browny ones. You look at a litter of babies all snuggled up like lil peas in a pod ... I always melt :>

OK the article excerpt is below ...

An analysis of children treated in A & E departments for dog bites found that the dogs involved were usually of the larger and more powerful breeds. Bites from pitbull terrier-type dogs are more often associated with serious injuries or fatalities. This is probably a consequence of the physical structure and abilities of these dogs, but is perhaps also influenced by the fact that these dogs may lunge, become airborne and injure the head and neck of the victims. The severity of injury influences the likelihood of its being treated and recorded and so there is a tendency for data to show large dog breeds as being involved in attacks. This does not prove that large dogs are more aggressive than small breeds, but that they are potentially more dangerous.

Heheheheheh .... gorgeous ....

http://www.ephemeroi.com/stuff/2003/...08-puppies.jpg

AND LOOKIE LOOKIE AT YEEEEEWWWWWWW ...

http://puppydogweb.com/gallery/ameri...er_begnaud.jpg

I find this sort of commentary interesting:

A confident, happy breed.

The pit bull's work has always been control and mastery of other animals - not humans. A correct pit bull is more often than not submissive toward all humans, and adores children. A pit bull that snarls, lunges or growls at a non-threatening human is NOT typical of the breed, and to keep such a dog alive endangers people, pets and the image of the breed we love. Nothing could be more incorrect than for these people-loving dogs to be considered a vicious breed. A correct pit bull is NOT a good choice as a guard dog - only an unstable pit bull will react with aggression towards a non threatening stranger. A normal pit bull looks upon all people as friends unless their actions prove otherwise. This happy-go-lucky attitude is a result of their confidence.

From a breeder site:

http://www.workingpitbull.com/aboutpits.htm

Pat, I've just read this thread and it deeply upset me. I hope the dogs are taken away and destroyed as I feel it is the only workable option for them now and I hope the owners are given the kick up the arse they deserve. What a very sad time we live in!

two dogs were put down . could NOT be adopted out. Butch went back to his original owner and is now living in the house. Piggy was adopted by an animal control officer, who owns two other english bulldogs!!!!

the owner of these dogs did something really silly one night. around midnight i could hear a clunking and bumping noises. my dogs were growling. i peeked out the window and he had lined up all four doghouses to face my backdoor........like he thought i'd feel bad that he didn't have those dogs to starve and kick around anymore. i died laughing, watching him carry those heavy houses and line them up perfectly. his testimony at court sunk his boat.......

BUT, in Texas, it isn't a felony YET to abuse a domestic animal. He got $274 bill from animal control and it's on his record. that's all!!!! but we've put our all behind a bill that is coming up for signature........

Butch was one of the sweetest dogs that i've ever met. i miss him and i talk to his owner on the phone about him occasionally.

thanks, pat

The pitbull debate is pretty feisty over here at the moment too ...

From a thread on another website I go to (most ppl on here I actually know).

"nah dogs are cowards for sure. Most people wouldnt get bitten if they stood up to dogs, the problem is most try to run away. When do ever hear of a able bodied man being mauled? Never cos men work out at about 16 they are more than a match for most dogs and dogs can sense fear


Jesus *waffle pitbulls are lovely dogs waffle owners the problem bleat* Look that fact that the rogue canines upbringing has much to do with the attacks is obvious, I mean.......we lay the same blame at the feet of humans parents yet imprison their offending offspring. Because thats a solution to stop them reoffending right?

This is pretty simple isnt it.. Dogs biting humans, but real problem (us) not curable, so just kill (or slowly eradicate) the main species of dogs that is seriously injuring people...problem solved "

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I was reading the news portion of my Yahoo site when I came across this story:
A young newly married couple had a female pitbull they had raised from a pup since before they were married. The news story showed pictures of how they treated this dog like it was their baby. Well, one day as the women was holding the dog (grown now) , the dog for no reason took a large chunk of the woman's face.
This breed of dog was bred from day one to be very aggressive.The force and strength of their bite is more than a dog twice their size and it was bred into them. The dog can't help what it is. A very dangerous animal.

I don't believe much of what is reported in the media in terms of those kinds of stories ... that goes completely against most of the more factual information you can get on breeder sites etc

Who knows what people do to their animals behind closed doors?

Lets see the choice is between all the reports of attacks by pit bulls and what a breeder says trying to sell their product?
To each their own. I won't argue the point, just stating my opinon that is not just from the media. Maybe things are different where you are.
Take care of you.

Actually no. Some breeder sites are very specific about a 'correct' pitty and an 'incorrect' pitty.

It comes down to so many variables ...

The BS in the media ... makes me feel quite sick.

There are people with just as divided views about the situation over here, so I don't think it's necessarily that much of a different argument

The best solutions IMO are regulation over who may have one of these types of breeds, and very strict licensing accordingly.

*shrug*

I agree that in the wrong hands these doggies can be pretty dangerous, but that is predominently when they are trained to fight IMO.

Someone with more knowledge may correct but I have read a fair bit on this now

a story about a pitbull and his owner. he walked him past my house on a log chain. if you don't know what a log chain is, it's strong enough to be snapped around a bundle of logs and the logs are dragged by a machine to the truck to be loaded. that's what a log chain is. the weight of one is unbelievable.

i was working in the front of my house one day and i heard a child scream. i ran to the front, with a hoe, and here is what i saw. i saw the pitbull, with his head through the fence and my neighbor's female dog's throat in his mouth.......and the owner was holding on to the chain and a plate with two pieces of cake on it.

i told him to get the dog off of "Chura" and he said he didn't want to drop the cake. i started beating the pitbull on the head with a large rock and then it came to me! it's the owner! so, i proceeded to beat the hell out of the man with the rock. he dropped his cake and got the dog off and i called the cops.

everyone in the village was aware of the abuse of that dog and the torture that his owner put him through on a daily basis. we had neglected to do anything because we'd never seen the dog "out of control" publicly. we knew what went on at the owner's house.

the cops came and told the man that if the dog ever stepped out of the yard again, anyone in the village could kill it.

the owner of the dog was angry at me over the cake and because his head was covered with blood from the rock. i chased him and the dog to his house. he said he was going to sue me. the cop (state trooper) and the animal control officer told him that he would find himself in handcuffs if he so much as looked at me again.

a week later the dog was killed when he attacked another dog. the man was training him, with blue heelers, to fight. my neighbor shot the dog.

the lesson that i got from that is that all of that was the owner's fault and his responsibility. Chura almost died and her owner went through unbelievable anguish over what happened.

the owner had the dog from a tiny puppy and he is the one that trained that dog to fight. that dog wasn't born wanting to fight.

i saw everything that happened next door,where i live now, and i'd take a pitbull into my home in a new york second. golden retrievers are notorious for biting, as are beagles. and rotties and dobermans.

the pitbull is the visible dog now. a young man strolls down the street, his manhood trotting along with him on a log chain, and being the visible dog, he's in the news a lot. but other dogs bite and kill.

i could train fayedy to kill. she's smart and she loves me. all it would take is some training and she'd do what i wanted her to do. she's airedale and boxer. i could train teddy jack to kill. he's shepherd and heeler. but my dogs have known nothing but love since day one and they know their role in my life and in theirs. they guard my house and guard me.

i am sick of hearing that pitbulls are the meanest dogs on earth. any dog can be mean if it is chained and abused as much as pitbulls are. there must be hundreds of pits chained in this town and i'm working with the city council to stop that. if you have a dog, then you have a yard. no chains. no way, no how. if you can't fence your yard, you don't need a dog. period.

end of rant.

Sick *******

What you did was awesome ... I would love to have seen the owner get just a taste of his own medicine as you dished out to him ...

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well, i do remember people coming out of their houses to watch me chase him and his dog through the village. i wasn't very southern ladylike that day.

I raise English Mastiffs and french bulldogs and have for over ten years now. Some breeds are more aggressive than others due to breeding. Anecdotally , based on people i have known and what they have experienced, bull mastiffs have been responsible for more attacks than any other breed. This includes attacks against more than one family member in a home in which the dogs they have were well treated. There has been no problems with the other breed dogs that they have. In another case, a person who shows dogs in the ring professionally , had the bullmastiff for the day, fed the dog, showed the dog, and put the dog in the car. She forgot something in the car and when she bent in to get it the dog repeatedly bit her in the face. Another aggressive breed is the american bulldog. Some breeds make good family pets and some do not. That is not what they were bred for. Male dalmations and young children are not a good mix. There are exceptions ,but it is much wiser for the family and better for the dog involved if dogs are matched up to the what they have been bred for. Some dogs are fine with people but not good around other dogs. Female bulldogs and french bulldogs, are very territorial and try to dominate other female dogs. I agree that many dogs who attack people or other animals have been "trained" to do that or have been abused. There are breeds though that are just more aggressive.

just now, in my life time, i've able to keep two females together. and they're both terrier breeds. go figure. i think it's because i'm alpha dog and they all slipped into their niches.

beagles bite a lot also. i had a veterinarian friend who was bitten five times by beagles.

my dog, tippy, who was the soul of love and kindness, didn't like children and i had to watch him like a hawk when we were on the reservations.....the indian children loved him and i always had to talk to him before i let them pet him. my dog, Henrietta, half chow and half german shepherd, lived for someone to threaten me. "make my day" was her mantra.

having it all blamed on one breed isn't right. it's a lot of breeds. and a lot of the way they are treated........thanks, joe.......pat

Guess the only reason I am jumping in is because the college students renting the basement here have a Pit Bull...I am scared of the dog and have no desire to meet him/her.

I have seen the owner walk the dog in the back yard and I was surprised, as Pit Bulls aren't really as huge as I thought they were.. The dog is a light brown/tan color and is actually quite beautiful. The dog looks very healthy and was enjoying his/her romp in the back yard. The dog is always on a leash when outdoors, so he could only romp and play so far..

umm, it is obvious he is well loved and the owners take great care of him.. Guess one thing is, the dog hasn't been socialized with other dogs and people which makes him more I guess protective of his living quarters, which happens to be the basement, where the washer n dryer happen to be.. LOL...We have to holler down to check when it is ok to wash clothes.. Dare not open the door to holler down, cuz the dog comes tearing up the steps fast.. lol... Getting exercise from running from the door, thinking the dog will surely break through and get me.. lol... am laughing sorta, but these are strong dogs, am sure he could break through the door. Needless to say, I started doing my laundry at the x-hubby's house.. lol

This house happens to be my son's and I moved here to do some yard work and work a bit on the house. anyway.. I know any dog can be mean and it is the owner's responsibility to train their dogs. I just don't trust Pit Bulls..I am afraid of them... I would never, ever do any harm to any dog including a Pit Bull... I just pray the folks in the basement move.. smile

well, they're scary,as are Dobermans, etc. i'd say you're using good judgment.

umm I have a friend that had a Doberman... Mean Doberman too. lol.... My friend would have that dog sitting next to her and nobody would get past the door. umm dogs smell fear... and let me tell you I smell very strong of "fear", when a huge dog is baring his teeth and growling and trying to lunge at me, just wanten to get a piece of me....

Sometimes she'd bring the dog in the room. If one did not move, the dog didn't do anything.. one move and the dog was at you.. LOL of course I sat very still...... Is a power thing, when folks have dogs like that.....I know she enjoyed watching me squirm... as she and the dog had "power/control" over me, only when the dog was in the same room... Just my friend and her hubby loved that dog.. ..

Anyway, these days I tend to like "small" less aggressive dogs..

i love pugs. i'm too old, now, to have all of the breeds that i wanted to own before i die. pug is number 3 on my list. i'd get another scottie and a "target" dog.........

Pugs are great dogs. Although they tend to shed a lot, cannot tolerate excessive heat or cold, and they snort and snore..lol.. Hey they sound like "menapausal women" lol

They are sooooooo lovable, playful, just darling lil dogs with lots of attitude..

You are never too old.. a pug, a scottie and a "target" dog would make a cool family.. would keep you busy full time.. lol