[drunksunflower]

Hey all,

Dr. Wylie has asked me to let you know that due to a very heavy professional workload and variety of other commitments, he is unfortunately no longer able to post drug advice on PC, nor respond to PMs.

He is also unable to offer the Friday drugs chat

However, he is more than happy to reply by email if anyone would like to ask him something on occasion.

If you would like his email, please feel free to PM kimmydawn, DocJohn, or myself.

Sucks but sometimes life just gets too damn busy!

[Fuzzybear]

[drunksunflower]

Bumpsicles!

xo

[AlteredState01]

Well that sucks! It was totally awesome having a Psychopharmacologist at our fingertips to help us make sense of the myriad of drugs out there.

You will be missed, Dr. Wylie!

Best Wishes

[jbug]

That is a serious bummer man. Dr. Wylie you will be missed.

Jbug

[SeptemberMorn]

Dr. Wyle, you helped me IMMENSELY when my husband got the faulty diagnosis of Bipolar. Thank you so very much! I'll miss you!

[MOJO3]

Being new here...how can I miss...what I never knew....but I have a feeling...that many people will feel the loss of knowledge and a friend....
Take Care
Mojo3

[pegasus]

I respected psisci for his knowledge of psychopharm but I have to say he was a bad example of a psychologist. Downright rude at times. Psychologists are supposed to be caring and good with words.

I hope he learns from the experience and wish him luck.

[drunksunflower]

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I respected psisci for his knowledge of psychopharm but I have to say he was a bad example of a psychologist. Downright rude at times. Psychologists are supposed to be caring and good with words.

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I find comments like that so rich.

He was not here as a counselling type psychologist, he was here to give sound drug advice.

He did, and people challenged him in ways that were just as impolite as any of his reactions.

My guess is that there has been transference going on for many members - their insecurities, issues, fears, and frustrations with their real life experts have been projected onto an on-line expert, because well ... that's 'safe' to do.

Nobody's perfect. Of course he could have dealt with people better at times, but we are all guilty of that.

Sigh. This whole thing makes me sad.

If any of you have ever asked a drug question that Dr. Wylie helped you out with, think about this: Was it easy for you to do, did you appreciate his advice, and did he save you time, embarrassment, and even money with his help / responses?

If yes, then that's all you should be concerned about IMNSVHO.

peace.

[AlteredState01]

TOTALLY with what you said, dsf!

[drunksunflower]

Hey thank you Altered.

[DocJohn]

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If any of you have ever asked a drug question that Dr. Wylie helped you out with, think about this: Was it easy for you to do, did you appreciate his advice, and did he save you time, embarrassment, and even money with his help / responses?

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Well, yes and no. *How* someone answers a question is one measure, but how they respond to people who disagree with them (since there is no "Right Answer" in many issues with respect to psychiatric drugs) is also important and shouldn't be dismissed as irrelevant. It is very relevant to people who often feel like they are not being heard by the professionals they interact with.

DocJohn

[drunksunflower]

Absolutely

But, I suppose you really need to weigh up the respective advantages and disadvantages of receiving advice from someone who has trained extensively, keeps up with new research, uses these drugs with patients in a day to day clinical setting with ... what I suspect is often opinions of either a GP or the results of a Google search.

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[Danialla]

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If any of you have ever asked a drug question that Dr. Wylie helped you out with, think about this: Was it easy for you to do, did you appreciate his advice, and did he save you time, embarrassment, and even money with his help / responses?

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Well, yes and no. *How* someone answers a question is one measure, but how they respond to people who disagree with them (since there is no "Right Answer" in many issues with respect to psychiatric drugs) is also important and shouldn't be dismissed as irrelevant. It is very relevant to people who often feel like they are not being heard by the professionals they interact with.

DocJohn

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Thank you Doc John!

[drunksunflower]

I maintain that anyone who comes into an online community in a professional capacity runs the risk of exactly what I described above - people taking out their IRL treatment issues on that expert.

And when that expert tries to help, they become a perfect target because IRL, it's just too hard to argue with your professional face to face.

Like I said, nobody's perfect ...

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Absolutely

But, I suppose you really need to weigh up the respective advantages and disadvantages of receiving advice from someone who has trained extensively, keeps up with new research, uses these drugs with patients in a day to day clinical setting with ... what I suspect is often opinions of either a GP or the results of a Google search.

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the main objective of being a doctor, from my point of view, is to treat the whole person. that includes the very important feelings that a patient brings to the table. you're risking yourself by opening up and asking for a professional opinion and a professional understands that and treats your questions, and disagreements, with the same respect that they expect from the patient.

John created the site for support and all who post here are under the same umbrella. as B.B. King says, "he pays the cost to be the boss"..........

[drunksunflower]

Being brought to a site to give honest, straight-up, solid, accurate information is poles apart from becoming someone's doctor, which is impossible online.

I am sure that the expert in question has a completely different approach in day to day practice than in he did in the role he was asked to perform here.

No one can be all things to all people.

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*How* someone answers a question is one measure, but how they respond to people who disagree with them (since there is no "Right Answer" in many issues with respect to psychiatric drugs) is also important and shouldn't be dismissed as irrelevant. It is very relevant to people who often feel like they are not being heard by the professionals they interact with.


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Thank you DocJohn. For this site. For hard decisions. For especially these words.

[Danialla]

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I maintain that anyone who comes into an online community in a professional capacity runs the risk of exactly what I described above - people taking out their IRL treatment issues on that expert.

And when that expert tries to help, they become a perfect target because IRL, it's just too hard to argue with your professional face to face.

Like I said, nobody's perfect ...

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Your right, nobody is perfect. But I have seen people disagree quite heatedly with Doc John and he has never responded with the level of sarcasm that Psiscs did when people disagreed with him.

Sorry, but Psiscs was a professional and needed to act that way regardless.

And then to come back to chat and bad mouth this community and it's members, well that is just sad!

[drunksunflower]

Psisci is his own person. He is not DocJohn, he does not own / run this site, and his buy-in was purely to give people the best advice that he could.

I felt his professionalism slipped _when he was pushed_. That may not be 'right' but he did a damn good job and helped a whole lot of people.

But of course, demeanour is obviously more important to the moral minority. My apologies.

[DocJohn]

He was asked to perform the same kind of role he does in his IRL practice -- give people information and advice as a professional. And when a person disagrees with you, act responsibly, professional, and respectfully.

Honestly, I could program a bot to dispense reference medication information. What people are looking for is humanity and simple respect with their answer, not just medication information dispensed indiscriminately and without compassion for what a person might be dealing with.

"A person’s character flows from his or her integrity: the ability to deliver under pressure, the willingness to do what is right rather than what is expedient. You judge a person’s character by his/her past performance and the way he/she thinks and acts in both good times, and especially bad. "

-Robert T. Blanchard

[Danialla]

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drunksunflower said:
Psisci is his own person. He is not DocJohn, he does not own / run this site, and his buy-in was purely to give people the best advice that he could.

I felt his professionalism slipped _when he was pushed_. That may not be 'right' but he did a damn good job and helped a whole lot of people.

But of course, demeanour is obviously more important to the moral minority. My apologies.

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Apology accepted

[drunksunflower]

Great quote, but poke poke prod prod anyone enough and they won't always act in the manner most appropriate to the situation or to the best of their character.

just sayin ...

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He was asked to perform the same kind of role he does in his IRL practice -- give people information and advice as a professional. And when a person disagrees with you, act responsibly, professional, and respectfully.

Honestly, I could program a bot to dispense reference medication information. What people are looking for is humanity and simple respect with their answer, not just medication information dispensed indiscriminately and without compassion for what a person might be dealing with.

"A person’s character flows from his or her integrity: the ability to deliver under pressure, the willingness to do what is right rather than what is expedient. You judge a person’s character by his/her past performance and the way he/she thinks and acts in both good times, and especially bad. "

-Robert T. Blanchard

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DocJohn,

[Danialla]

I AGREE AND THANK YOU DOC JOHN